TDF 2016 Stage 20 *SPOILERS*
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RichN95 wrote:Surprising fact I learned this morning: today will be the first time Sky have finished a Grand Tour with all nine riders.
Thus disproving the theory that reducing team sizes by one will have any real impact. How many times this tour did Froome only have one teammate left with him?"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
gsk82 wrote:RichN95 wrote:Surprising fact I learned this morning: today will be the first time Sky have finished a Grand Tour with all nine riders.
Thus disproving the theory that reducing team sizes by one will have any real impact. How many times this tour did Froome only have one teammate left with him?
Not quite sure I understand what you're saying, could you expand?
I'm not saying it definitely would, but reducing team sizes could have an impact.
A lot of the time Froome was left with only Poels some way up the final climb and the rest of the GC contenders on their wheel. Then that's where we saw the attacks from Froome and from others. If Sky has one less rider, maybe they don't even get to that point. Maybe other riders do longer range attacks.0 -
Phone was dying so I didn't comment yesterday
Nice finish to see one of the Domestiques take the stage, I was hoping Allaphillipe would hold off Pantano but no such luck for him this year
I think you had the perfect illustration of why the tour has been so dull this year when they were descending Joux Plan. Gee was going comically slow, I honestly assumed a few of them were slo-mo clips but they weren't and still everyone just rode behind Froome politely. No one tried anything. Ok it was sopping wet but the faces looked more like people who wouldn't dare attack Froome rather than people concerned about the road...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Blazing Saddles wrote:adr82 wrote:
That sounded painful! Long slide then the massive *crunch* as he hits the barriers :shock:RichN95 wrote:Kelderman's crash - "Sh1t... Medics": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGKm9uzLiqY
That looked really nasty. Heras corner isn't it?
He was in tears in the team car, right after he finished.
Clearly in pain and off for a scan.
Still, there was one crash on the Joux Plane yesterday looked much better.
https://streamable.com/cmre
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Didnt think the guy who was running was being that much of a hinderance to merit that.
If they guy got up and thumped him it would have been justified imo.0 -
Why would they have been attacking Froome at that point?? He was still over 4 mins up and they were never going to get that time back on that descent unless he crashed really badly. The GC group were barely 4 mins behind Izagirre at the finish, so based on the gap at the top they lost maybe 90 seconds to him on the descent for all their caution. There was certainly scope for some reshuffling of the other positions if anyone had been inclined to attack over the top and race the descent, but Sky knew they just had to get Froome down in one piece, even if it was slow. The others had clearly decided not to risk their own top 10 positions and settled for following.ddraver wrote:Phone was dying so I didn't comment yesterday
Nice finish to see one of the Domestiques take the stage, I was hoping Allaphillipe would hold off Pantano but no such luck for him this year
I think you had the perfect illustration of why the tour has been so dull this year when they were descending Joux Plan. Gee was going comically slow, I honestly assumed a few of them were slo-mo clips but they weren't and still everyone just rode behind Froome politely. No one tried anything. Ok it was sopping wet but the faces looked more like people who wouldn't dare attack Froome rather than people concerned about the road...0 -
Rubbish. For all you know, that idiot could have tripped over his own feet and gone down in front of the riders 2 seconds later. There is zero reason for fans to be running right next to or in front of the riders, and if more people were willing to deal with it like that then it would stop pretty quickly.Moraygub wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:adr82 wrote:
That sounded painful! Long slide then the massive *crunch* as he hits the barriers :shock:RichN95 wrote:Kelderman's crash - "Sh1t... Medics": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGKm9uzLiqY
That looked really nasty. Heras corner isn't it?
He was in tears in the team car, right after he finished.
Clearly in pain and off for a scan.
Still, there was one crash on the Joux Plane yesterday looked much better.
https://streamable.com/cmre
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Didnt think the guy who was running was being that much of a hinderance to merit that.
If they guy got up and thumped him it would have been justified imo.0 -
adr82 wrote:
Why would they have been attacking Froome at that point?? He was still over 4 mins up and they were never going to get that time back on that descent unless he crashed really badly. The GC group were barely 4 mins behind Izagirre at the finish, so based on the gap at the top they lost maybe 90 seconds to him on the descent for all their caution. There was certainly scope for some reshuffling of the other positions if anyone had been inclined to attack over the top and race the descent, but Sky knew they just had to get Froome down in one piece, even if it was slow. The others had clearly decided not to risk their own top 10 positions and settled for following.ddraver wrote:Phone was dying so I didn't comment yesterday
Nice finish to see one of the Domestiques take the stage, I was hoping Allaphillipe would hold off Pantano but no such luck for him this year
I think you had the perfect illustration of why the tour has been so dull this year when they were descending Joux Plan. Gee was going comically slow, I honestly assumed a few of them were slo-mo clips but they weren't and still everyone just rode behind Froome politely. No one tried anything. Ok it was sopping wet but the faces looked more like people who wouldn't dare attack Froome rather than people concerned about the road...
I think we re violently agreeing...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Possiblyddraver wrote:adr82 wrote:
Why would they have been attacking Froome at that point?? He was still over 4 mins up and they were never going to get that time back on that descent unless he crashed really badly. The GC group were barely 4 mins behind Izagirre at the finish, so based on the gap at the top they lost maybe 90 seconds to him on the descent for all their caution. There was certainly scope for some reshuffling of the other positions if anyone had been inclined to attack over the top and race the descent, but Sky knew they just had to get Froome down in one piece, even if it was slow. The others had clearly decided not to risk their own top 10 positions and settled for following.ddraver wrote:Phone was dying so I didn't comment yesterday
Nice finish to see one of the Domestiques take the stage, I was hoping Allaphillipe would hold off Pantano but no such luck for him this year
I think you had the perfect illustration of why the tour has been so dull this year when they were descending Joux Plan. Gee was going comically slow, I honestly assumed a few of them were slo-mo clips but they weren't and still everyone just rode behind Froome politely. No one tried anything. Ok it was sopping wet but the faces looked more like people who wouldn't dare attack Froome rather than people concerned about the road...
I think we re violently agreeing...
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Ooh, that black and white one is fantastic!Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0 -
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DeadCalm wrote:Ooh, that black and white one is fantastic!
Gruber, innit. As is the cloudy mountain shot. Just scrolled through them and went "Nice pic, nice pic, GRUBER!, GRUBER!, nice pic"Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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v2p wrote:gsk82 wrote:RichN95 wrote:Surprising fact I learned this morning: today will be the first time Sky have finished a Grand Tour with all nine riders.
Thus disproving the theory that reducing team sizes by one will have any real impact. How many times this tour did Froome only have one teammate left with him?
Not quite sure I understand what you're saying, could you expand?
I'm not saying it definitely would, but reducing team sizes could have an impact.
A lot of the time Froome was left with only Poels some way up the final climb and the rest of the GC contenders on their wheel. Then that's where we saw the attacks from Froome and from others. If Sky has one less rider, maybe they don't even get to that point. Maybe other riders do longer range attacks.
People have been complaining about the sky train for years, even though they generally only have 7 or 8 riders."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
How has Froome lost over a minute to Bardet in the GC today?0
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Farting around with the synchronized bicycle dancing over the line.Shadowrider wrote:How has Froome lost over a minute to Bardet in the GC today?
They've revised it now - it's back to how it was.0 -
Shadowrider wrote:How has Froome lost over a minute to Bardet in the GC today?
This' how:
Although probably not as they are now saying that times from yesterday will carry over to today.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:Shadowrider wrote:How has Froome lost over a minute to Bardet in the GC today?
This' how:
Although probably not as they are now saying that times from yesterday will carry over to today.
Rodriguez was down a few places to tenth on the provisional results."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
They've rectified them now.Correlation is not causation.0
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Why have times been carried over? That's a nonsense, it's an official stage and never heard of that done before.0
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So did Greipel win the sprint today? I've seen nothing on sky news or BBC news? All I've seen (apart from pictures of froome and team sky) is a picture of a grinning Greipel on kstushas instagram account congratulating kristoff on a podium finish! Piss poor coverage of the actual sprint!!0
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The sprint coverage was pretty good? See the stage 21 thread..0
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Is this a new approach, were other teams contributing to the chase in his other two wins or is there some other factor at play? It has certainly opened up the mountains classification to non-GC riders this year. Froome was the best placed of the GC riders in a lowly 18th whereas he was first and second in his previous wins with Quintana winning in 2013 and runner up last year.RichN95 wrote:
That's part of the Sky strategy. Let the break go - take the stage win off the table for the GC riders and it gives them less reason to gamble on an attack.NorvernRob wrote:ThomThom wrote:I'm sitting with a feeling that I haven't watched a mountain stage in this race. Genuinely.
Yep, it's made worse by the fact that any stage that had anything resembling a mountain in it was won by the breakaway. We never saw the GC favourites battling for a stage win uphill.Team My Man 2022:
Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet0
