Tubular tyre is better or clincher?
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Maglia Rosa wrote:joe2008 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:thecycleclinic wrote:I glue my tubs onto my wheels so changing one at the side of the road is not hassle. .
If you can remove a glued on tubular easily on the side of the road, you didn't glue it on well enough. That thing is likely to come off one day at speed. If if that one doesn't the new one very well could if cement hasn't cured.
Surely removing a tubular by the road side is no different than removing one at home, and you have to be able to get the things off to replace the tyre.
Yes but how long does it take you to just rip it off and then remove all the old glue (which you really need to do as chances are if you are doing this on the side of the road its going to get contaminated with dirt) before putting the new one one? And for cement to cure properly takes a few hours at least. I wouldn't feel safe riding at speed or descending on a tyre that wasn't glued on properly.
I leave a small section opposite the valve unglued so that when the tyre is deflated I can get a tyre lever under it and rip it off, quicker that I can remover a clincher.
The old glue is your friend as it will stick to the new tyre which will also have a coat of glue on it.
The tyre pressure alone will give me confidence in the tyre, have you ever tried to remove even an unglued, inflated tubular by hand.0 -
joe2008 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:joe2008 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:thecycleclinic wrote:I glue my tubs onto my wheels so changing one at the side of the road is not hassle. .
If you can remove a glued on tubular easily on the side of the road, you didn't glue it on well enough. That thing is likely to come off one day at speed. If if that one doesn't the new one very well could if cement hasn't cured.
Surely removing a tubular by the road side is no different than removing one at home, and you have to be able to get the things off to replace the tyre.
Yes but how long does it take you to just rip it off and then remove all the old glue (which you really need to do as chances are if you are doing this on the side of the road its going to get contaminated with dirt) before putting the new one one? And for cement to cure properly takes a few hours at least. I wouldn't feel safe riding at speed or descending on a tyre that wasn't glued on properly.
I leave a small section opposite the valve unglued so that when the tyre is deflated I can get a tyre lever under it and rip it off, quicker that I can remover a clincher.
The old glue is your friend as it will stick to the new tyre which will also have a coat of glue on it.
The tyre pressure alone will give me confidence in the tyre, have you ever tried to remove even an unglued, inflated tubular by hand.
So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.0 -
Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
You've clearly never ridden a replacement tub. I already said that you wouldn't want to be doing any corners while cranked right over at 'high speed', but 'normal' riding will not present any major issues.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
No, not in my opinion or experience.
You don't need to 'remove the old glue at the roadside'. This would take hours and is totally unnecessary.
Getting a punctured tub off can be tricky at first (I prefer not to leave an unglued area), and can take about 30 seconds to get it started, but once you have a bit off, the rest just rips off easily.
As Joe said above, an UNGLUED tub will sit happily an UNGLUED rim - the pressure alone gives it a strong hold.
So a replacement tub, preglued, onto a glued up rim, will hold just fine on corners. I wouldn't choose that moment to push my cornering speeds to the limit, but there's no major concern.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:
So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
If you puncture a clincher there's nothing to stop it coming off the rim. Dangerous if you happen to be on a fast descent - at least with a replacement tubular you will most likely be riding with a little more care on corners and descents.
In any case there is a new bond created between the old glue on the rim and the layer of glue on the replacement, that's why it is pre-glued.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.
Yeah. I mean no one ever rolled a tyre off the rim. Hell, I don't know why we even bother glueing them at all. I mean its stands to reason there is absolutely no need according to you. There is 0 chance of it coming off.
Oh wait. It totally can http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de ... ular-glue/0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:mamba80 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.
Yeah. I mean no one ever rolled a tyre off the rim. Hell, I don't know why we even bother glueing them at all. I mean its stands to reason there is absolutely no need according to you. There is 0 chance of it coming off.
Oh wait. It tottaly fuking can http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de ... ular-glue/
Like I said, a punctured clincher can also leave the rim - stuff happens.0 -
joe2008 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:mamba80 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.
Yeah. I mean no one ever rolled a tyre off the rim. Hell, I don't know why we even bother glueing them at all. I mean its stands to reason there is absolutely no need according to you. There is 0 chance of it coming off.
Oh wait. It tottaly fuking can http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de ... ular-glue/
Like I said, a punctured clincher can also leave the rim - sh!t happens.
I know but you can put a new innertube on a clincher and keep on riding just the way you were. In under 5 minutes too. Low risk of losing the tyre. I amnot anti tubs. I tide them myself still just not outside of competition. I know the risks of riding both and I will leave them for the races.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:mamba80 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.
Yeah. I mean no one ever rolled a tyre off the rim. Hell, I don't know why we even bother glueing them at all. I mean its stands to reason there is absolutely no need according to you. There is 0 chance of it coming off.
Oh wait. It totally fuking can http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de ... ular-glue/
You are totally mixing things up. The case above is an extreme heat situation and possibly a poor glue job. Bear in mind these guys descend fast and brake hard and late.
You previously said that it was basically impossible to take any kind of corner on your replacement tub, which is incorrect, it'll be fine as long as you don't go charging into hairpins on the brakes.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:mamba80 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Imposter wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:So if you got a puncture on your replacement tyre with no glue you really expect it to remain on the rim? Dangerous in my eyes. If you are happy riding like that then good luck.
There's nothing unusual about that at all. A replacement tub will sit quite securely on a rim once fully inflated, with or without glue. You might not want to be doing too many high speed corners, but it will certainly be ok to get you home, which is, after all, the purpose of it.
Not sure why you are so surprised by this, as it is standard practice.
Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyre
total rubbish.
Yeah. I mean no one ever rolled a tyre off the rim. Hell, I don't know why we even bother glueing them at all. I mean its stands to reason there is absolutely no need according to you. There is 0 chance of it coming off.
Oh wait. It totally fuking can http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de ... ular-glue/
You are totally mixing things up. The case above is an extreme heat situation and possibly a poor glue job. Bear in mind these guys descend fast and brake hard and late.
You previously said that it was basically impossible to take any kind of corner on your replacement tub, which is incorrect, it'll be fine as long as you don't go charging into hairpins on the brakes.
Please refer me to the part I said ANY corner. The point I was making is if a melted glued tyre can come off, one with no glue is susceptible to also coming off. Say for example you do a long ride and 50 miles from home you puncture your tub. Sure you stick a new one on and you have to take it easy home but thst 50 miles going slow. Where is you had a clincher its a 5 minute job and you're rolling as normal. As I have already said. I run tubs. I have 2 sets of tubular wheels I use for TT or road races. I keep them for just that where punctures mean race over if I can't get a wheel change anyway. I ride on clinchers day to day on the crappy roads cos I know if I do puncture its not ling before im moving again. No going slow to get me home but just as I was before I stopped. Clinchers and tubs are not black and white. Neither is 100% perfect. They both have their drawbacks and for me personally tubs are not for day to day use. I would sooner go tubeless than run tubs every day0 -
MR, rolling a tub in normal conditions is very difficult.
i was once given a spare wheel in a div champs and as i returned it to its owner, he realised it had nt been glued....oops! i did over 35miles on that front wheel, the forces acting on the tub at any one moment in time, are constantly moving, its not the same as trying to remove the tub with your hands on a static wheel.
Before modern clinchers, many people trained and raced exclusively on tubs, no puncture protection or sealant and we are still all here.0 -
mamba80 wrote:MR, rolling a tub in normal conditions is very difficult.
i was once given a spare wheel in a div champs and as i returned it to its owner, he realised it had nt been glued....oops! i did over 35miles on that front wheel, the forces acting on the tub at any one moment in time, are constantly moving, its not the same as trying to remove the tub with your hands on a static wheel.
Before modern clinchers, many people trained and raced exclusively on tubs, no puncture protection or sealant and we are still all here.
Define normal conditions and tell me how well said unglued tubular would hold if the pressure holding it on suddenly vanished say from puncturing? Or do punctures not happen in normal conditions?0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyreMaglia Rosa wrote:Please refer me to the part I said ANY corner.
Please see above.
Any + corners.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Im not surprised. But if you intend to just slowly get home fine. Attempt any descents or corners and bye bye tyreMaglia Rosa wrote:Please refer me to the part I said ANY corner.
Please see above.
Any + corners.
I said any decents or corners. Any descents is not any corners. Don't try to skew the facts to make it look as how you want it.0 -
It has become too apparent that this forum is full of people who don't wish to help answer questions asked by people and just want to argue with no explanation as to back up their arguments. They just want to say white is black or black is white. I tire of such that this will be my last post on here so keep posting all the pointless unhelpful arguments all you want. I won't be here to read them.0
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Maglia Rosa wrote:It has become too apparent that this forum is full of people who don't wish to help answer questions asked by people and just want to argue with no explanation as to back up their arguments. They just want to say white is black or black is white. I tire of such retards that this will be my last post on here so keep posting all the pointless unhelpful arguments all you want. I won't be here to read them.
That's the trouble with spouting opinion as fact. Those who have experience of tubulars have a much better understanding of the pros and cons.0 -
My tubs are glued on very securely but once i start to remove the tub i oull it off. Tyre levers help on my hed elgium tubilar and mtb tubular rims. On the narrow fir and mavic rim i also have the tub maybe secure but i can remove it by hand. The same tub does jot budge in hard cornering. I do know what i am doing.
I am quite good removing and fitting tyres that other gind a pain. I fit unstretched conti tubs without much difficulty.
Also when i have fitted a spare thb i will happily ride into any corner at speed and the tub does not budge. When i get home i check the bond and find it to be very strong so i continue using it.
Less assumptions please i do this for a living, i happen to be good at it.
I did have an mtb tub roll once mind in a race after i skid steered through a bent. Put it back on and finshed the race by upping the pressure. After that experience several years ago as i was trying to find out how little glue i could get away with i went back to applying lots of glue to be sure.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:It has become too apparent that this forum is full of people who don't wish to help answer questions asked by people and just want to argue with no explanation as to back up their arguments. They just want to say white is black or black is white. I tire of such retards that this will be my last post on here so keep posting all the pointless unhelpful arguments all you want. I won't be here to read them.
Good grief.
Like a 5 year old running out of the playground, hands over ears, yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you".
If I go into a restaurant and the waiter asks if I have allergies and I say "I don't eat ANY shellfish OR nuts" and he then serves me nut pie and I die, I'd probably be a bit p*ssed off right?0 -
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Tubs for me all day long,i carry sealant and its easy to put in tyre rather than take a tube out and put another one in.
I don't like taking the wheel off if I can help it.
I have even put sealant in a mates clincher tyre and tube when he punctured and its takes seconds and your off again.
He was still using same tyre 3 months later with no issues.Colnago c60 Eps super record 11
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Tubs are safer and give a better ride, but are a hassle to repair or replace. With the new tubeless tyres giving a similar quality ride to tubulars, I've moved to tubeless. Best of both worlds.WyndyMilla Massive Attack | Rourke 953 | Condor Italia 531 Pro | Boardman CX Pro | DT Swiss RR440 Tubeless Wheels
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bernithebiker wrote:
16k kilometers per year, 1 puncture on average
. Soooo tempted to swap to tubs or consider going tubeless when my current sets of wheel kick the bucket. Can someone with a bit of experience ( 
) please explain 'Replacement tub' : is this some sort of temporary road side fix and then when you get home replace the replacement?
Pity about MR. If you wanted an argument...seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
You've not read the thread then?0
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If the tyre you carry on rides isn't what you would leave on permanently, then it needs to be changed. But regardless if you just fit a tyre 'in the wild' it won't be glued properly and therefore needs redoing at home over a glass of wine.Pinno wrote:bernithebiker wrote:
16k kilometers per year, 1 puncture on average . Soooo tempted to swap to tubs or consider going tubeless when my current sets of wheel kick the bucket. Can someone with a bit of experience ( ) please explain 'Replacement tub' : is this some sort of temporary road side fix and then when you get home replace the replacement?
Pity about MR. If you wanted an argument...
I ride tubs for most of year, because really cheap carbon wheels from China are really quite good, but life's too short to sell the idea to anyone.
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Thank you Paul.
The 'Wine' bit might have sold it.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
