Straw polling

rick_chasey

Yup.

bendertherobot

Bloody lefty cyclists

gabriel959

Can't vote, unfortunately.

First.Aspect

Is this an intelligence test?

anonymousblackfg

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

veronese68

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

gabriel959

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

Or vote for me, have lived here for 12 years, payed a fair amount of taxes in that time. Have a family here now (wife English too), but can't vote because I am Spanish. I would really appreciate and would be very happy if you could vote Remain for me

Many thanks 8)

Wheelspinner

Yes vote remain please, then get back to work and stop all these silly vote things. Scottish Independence, EU membership...

Carrying on like a petulant child that just wants to be the centre of attention.

dhope

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Take 24 minutes to listen to someone that knows what they're talking about. Without the hyperbole that's ended up in the papers and TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

Really do, it's worth the time.

TonyJams

So a lot of people here who buy from bikediscount.de then!

meanredspider

dhope wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Take 24 minutes to listen to someone that knows what they're talking about. Without the hyperbole that's ended up in the papers and TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

Really do, it's worth the time.

If you want seemingly balanced facts on the numbers quoted, BBC Radio 4's "More or Less" special was great - it's available on iPlayer Radio

slowbike

I'm erring on the side of in atm.

Longer term I think we could be better/more flexible outside the EU as it currently operates, however it would be a painful journey to get there - and once we're there the EU could've changed leaving us with no advantage.
If we stay in - at least we get a voice in changing the EU. I think the immigration numbers and EU spend is all a red herring - immigration isn't an issue - it's the asylum seekers which cause most angst - and that won't change. The EU spend? Insignificant compared to other spends and the gov will spend as much as it can - I trust the UK gov as much as the EU body for distributing the funds fairly - ie they're both as bad as each other!
IMHO, If we did exit the EU the gov would set up a whole load more quangos and departments to cope with the workload - massive spend on government and no benefit to the uk population ...

Arguments on security are just rubbish IMHO - there's no way the security services would be any less co-operative if we exit - there's more than politics at stake here.

Forgetting about economics - I quite like being able to move around the EU (ok, mostly France) at will - and I'd like my Son to have that ability too - I doubt that would change much if we left the EU, but who's to say.

Final nail - I don't think we have politicians with the balls to negotiate properly if we did exit - so we'd be screwed from day 1 - they don't have the appetite for it either which is why they're mostly on the remain campaign.

secretsam

gabriel959 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

Or vote for me, have lived here for 12 years, payed a fair amount of taxes in that time. Have a family here now (wife English too), but can't vote because I am Spanish. I would really appreciate and would be very happy if you could vote Remain for me

Many thanks 8)

Surely as a UK resident you should be eligible to vote? If not, that's disgusting.

I'll vote Remain for you 8)

gabriel959

SecretSam wrote:

gabriel959 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

Or vote for me, have lived here for 12 years, payed a fair amount of taxes in that time. Have a family here now (wife English too), but can't vote because I am Spanish. I would really appreciate and would be very happy if you could vote Remain for me

Many thanks 8)

Surely as a UK resident you should be eligible to vote? If not, that's disgusting.

I'll vote Remain for you 8)

Thanks chap 8)

anonymousblackfg

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

I'm fairly liberal and pro european so lean naturally to remain, i'll listen to both later but I currently am stuck with the below:

In
Status quo for my job (Property, heavily linked to constuction/banking/professional services) + dorris is in banking
I have mortgages and savings
I've had some cracking deals on a wheels and brakes from bikediscount.de and own a Canyon
Family who are part time expats
The leadership post Out are a load of crackpots chasing self centered policies and will probably aim to destroy the poor

Out
The EU long term will fail at some point (not on its own but probably as a knock on from the next cycle and maybe affecting mini-ABFG rather than me), ways to avoid this would be federal european superstate (not going to happen) or the EU manage their way backwards to become a looser collections of countries. At that point we'd be better outside the tent p1ssing in than inside p1ssing out.

rick_chasey

SecretSam wrote:

gabriel959 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

Or vote for me, have lived here for 12 years, payed a fair amount of taxes in that time. Have a family here now (wife English too), but can't vote because I am Spanish. I would really appreciate and would be very happy if you could vote Remain for me

Many thanks 8)

Surely as a UK resident you should be eligible to vote? If not, that's disgusting.

Nah. My mother's been an earning UK resident for over 25 years and she doesn't get a vote either.

dhope

anonymousblackfg wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Could I ask you to vote Remain, just as a favour to me if nothing else? I mean in real life, not just on this poll.

I'm fairly liberal and pro european so lean naturally to remain, i'll listen to both later but I currently am stuck with the below:

In
Status quo for my job (Property, heavily linked to constuction/banking/professional services) + dorris is in banking
I have mortgages and savings
I've had some cracking deals on a wheels and brakes from bikediscount.de and own a Canyon
Family who are part time expats
The leadership post Out are a load of crackpots chasing self centered policies and will probably aim to destroy the poor

Out
The EU long term will fail at some point (not on its own but probably as a knock on from the next cycle and maybe affecting mini-ABFG rather than me), ways to avoid this would be federal european superstate (not going to happen) or the EU manage their way backwards to become a looser collections of countries. At that point we'd be better outside the tent p1ssing in than inside p1ssing out.

So, and forgive me for (obviously biased) paraphrasing,

Remain:
A bunch of concerns linked to your natural inclination, yours and your partners jobs, your house and the money you've saved, your family's way of life and the belief that those that lead the Out campaign don't have your interests at heart and may well end up actively fucking you over.

Leave:
At some indeterminate point in the future the EU may change in some unknown way. Better to piss on them than be pissed on if that happens.



I can't see how that could be anything other than a remain conclusion.

veronese68

dhope wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Take 24 minutes to listen to someone that knows what they're talking about. Without the hyperbole that's ended up in the papers and TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

Really do, it's worth the time.

Couldn't agree more. Listened to that the other night, very good.
As an aside my son said the other day that he really hopes we vote in, said if we vote to leave the oldies will have really screwed things up for his generation. A lot of his friends feel the same way. He's not 18 until September so no vote for him, but a lot of his contemporaries have been following this and are interested. Shame they didn't give the vote to 16 and up like they did with the Scottish referendum.

coopster_the_1st

Veronese68 wrote:

dhope wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Take 24 minutes to listen to someone that knows what they're talking about. Without the hyperbole that's ended up in the papers and TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

Really do, it's worth the time.

Couldn't agree more. Listened to that the other night, very good.
As an aside my son said the other day that he really hopes we vote in, said if we vote to leave the oldies will have really screwed things up for his generation. A lot of his friends feel the same way. He's not 18 until September so no vote for him, but a lot of his contemporaries have been following this and are interested. Shame they didn't give the vote to 16 and up like they did with the Scottish referendum.

Or older people have more life experience and can consider the view outside of the ideology. In every aspect of life (from business to sport to driving a car) experience is acknowledged to be an asset, yet for this vote it is denounced as a negative because it does not fit with the view of others. :? :roll:

Older people know they have a responsibility to consider this vote in the context of others rather than just themselves.

kurako

1. Johnson is a devious lying scumbag.

2. Gove is a devious lying scumbag and his wife (Sarah Vain) writes a turgid column for a disgusting newspaper.

3. Farage and all the other swivel eyed loons are stoking up division and hate.

4. Lexit (Left for Exit) makes utterly no sense. Are we to believe that Leave will bring about some sort of socialist paradise when all the leaders of the Leave campaign are at the other end of the political spectrum?

cookeeemonster

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

dhope wrote:

anonymousblackfg wrote:

No option for 48 hours to go and still undecided?

Take 24 minutes to listen to someone that knows what they're talking about. Without the hyperbole that's ended up in the papers and TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

Really do, it's worth the time.

Couldn't agree more. Listened to that the other night, very good.
As an aside my son said the other day that he really hopes we vote in, said if we vote to leave the oldies will have really screwed things up for his generation. A lot of his friends feel the same way. He's not 18 until September so no vote for him, but a lot of his contemporaries have been following this and are interested. Shame they didn't give the vote to 16 and up like they did with the Scottish referendum.

Or older people have more life experience and can consider the view outside of the ideology. In every aspect of life (from business to sport to driving a car) experience is acknowledged to be an asset, yet for this vote it is denounced as a negative because it does not fit with the view of others. :? :roll:

Older people know they have a responsibility to consider this vote in the context of others rather than just themselves.

Can't help but think the oldies are voting due to bigotry rather than for the future health of the nation.

The majority of:

Economists
Business leaders
Scientists
Trade unions
Teachers
NHS workers

...and more have all said we're better off in...yet Farage and Murdoch (foreign tax dodging billionaire) seem to be the main influence on brexit.

The older generation have had their cake and eaten it, now we have few public services left (everything been privatised for lower taxes), the schools and NHS are in the process of being privatised (only rich people will benefit) and only the current bunch of pensioners and oldies will get a reasonable or pretty good state pension - having retired years before the younger generation will have to.

They've stripped this country bare now they want to go screw things further for the younger generations. That's how I see it, I may be wrong.

pblakeney

CookeeeMonster wrote:

They've stripped this country bare now they want to go screw things further for the younger generations. That's how I see it, I may be wrong.

You may be correct.
However, don't presume that future generations will behave any better.

coopster_the_1st

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Can't help but think the oldies are voting due to bigotry rather than for the future health of the nation.

Yes, the older generations will ignore all responsibility they have for their children, grandchildren, etc and make a decision they think will hurt their future!

Yes, that's it. :roll:

cookeeemonster

Coopster the 1st wrote:

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Can't help but think the oldies are voting due to bigotry rather than for the future health of the nation.

Yes, the older generations will ignore all responsibility they have for their children, grandchildren, etc and make a decision they think will hurt their future!

Yes, that's it. :roll:

I've spoken to a small portion of them - thats exactly it. When told of the immediate possibility of serious consequences for me and my family, they have no answer...but my children might benefit at some unspecified point in the future, after possibly suffering throughout their childhood to get to it

The younger generation overwhelmingly want to remain - why are the oldies ignoring them? You need to ask yourself that. What are they basing their economic forecasts on? Who are they listening to?

fenix

People are stupid. We shouldn't entrust important decisions like this to them. Simple as.

coopster_the_1st

CookeeeMonster wrote:

The younger generation overwhelmingly want to remain - why are the oldies ignoring them? You need to ask yourself that. What are they basing their economic forecasts on? Who are they listening to?

I believe the younger generation are voting for the EU based on the ideology of it. I agree the idea of the EU is great.

However, the EU is not working as per its ideology and is backed up by Cameron/Corbyn/et all, otherwise it would not need major reform.

I know this as I can see how my views are different now to how I thought 10/15/20 years ago. That is called experience as needs time and experiences to develop

The older generation vote is based on protecting the younger generation because they can see the difference between reality and ideology

asprilla

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

CookeeeMonster wrote:

Can't help but think the oldies are voting due to bigotry rather than for the future health of the nation.

Yes, the older generations will ignore all responsibility they have for their children, grandchildren, etc and make a decision they think will hurt their future!

Yes, that's it. :roll:

I've spoken to a small portion of them - thats exactly it. When told of the immediate possibility of serious consequences for me and my family, they have no answer...but my children might benefit at some unspecified point in the future, after possibly suffering throughout their childhood to get to it

The younger generation overwhelmingly want to remain - why are the oldies ignoring them? You need to ask yourself that. What are they basing their economic forecasts on? Who are they listening to?

It always struck me as a vote for nostalgia. The audience member on QT saying that he 'wanted her country back' summed it up. It's a vote for going back to when things were better, and all this were nowt but fields.

Except it wasn't better. It's a myth.

fenix

Aah the good old days eh ? When people were poor and rickets was all the rage,

anonymousblackfg

dhope wrote:

So, and forgive me for (obviously biased) paraphrasing,

Remain:
A bunch of concerns linked to your natural inclination, yours and your partners jobs, your house and the money you've saved, your family's way of life

Correct, every person will think of their own circumstance when stood in the polling booth.

dhope wrote:

and the belief that those that lead the Out campaign don't have your interests at heart and may well end up actively ******* you over

Wrong, my fear is they'll **** all of us over and the results for me will be far less than the effects on others.

Leave:

At some not too distant point in the future the EU will change in some pretty disastrous way. Better have some distance from it than be part of it. So better to take the hit now rather than just kick it into the long grass.

I can't see how that could be anything other than an undecided conclusion.

anonymousblackfg

Asprilla wrote:

It's a vote for going back to when things were better, and all this were nowt but fields.

I think now commonly know as "Peak Blighty"

veronese68

Asprilla wrote:

It always struck me as a vote for nostalgia. The audience member on QT saying that he 'wanted her country back' summed it up. It's a vote for going back to when things were better, and all this were nowt but fields.

Except it wasn't better. It's a myth.

Once again I am in agreement with Mr Asprilla. Country back from what? As has been asked so many times. Back to those halcyon days in the Hovis ads.