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Technically, the British and Irish players (barring Bale and a couple of others) aren't up to the job. I lost count of the number of times an England player miscontrolled the ball or overhit a pass on Monday night. This is clearly a coaching issue and it has always been the case.
The above faults can be overcome to a point if the team is well organised, solid and cohesive. Norn Iron punched above their weight because of this, but ultimately the lack of ability took its toll. Same goes for the ROI and I suspect Wales will be found out this weekend. England may have had slightly better players (albeit with the same technical limitations) but they completely lacked the organisation, discipline and team spirit shown by the other British/Irish teams.
In short, the British style of play is simply not fit for purpose at international level.
Furthermore you have the issue that not enough British players play abroad, so they don't have practical experience of any other style of football. They also lack the mental toughness and ability to adapt to different situations and surroundings that living overseas can bring. Many of them live inside their Premiership bubble, paid exorbitant amounts of money per week and constantly being told how great they are. It may or may not be the case that international football doesn't really matter to some players, but it's certainly true that if you take someone like that out their comfort zone both on and off the pitch, they will struggle and ultimately fail.0 -
Counter arguement.d00d4h wrote:Both play in blue - coincidence?
So do Scotland.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
d00d4h wrote:Mr Goo wrote:You just need good players that work to a system and work for each other. When have we ever seen that over the last 30 to 40 years?
Every week at Leicester (this season anyway).
Iceland play a similar way.
Both play in blue - coincidence?
I should have clarified. When have we seen it for England.
Agree. Leicester and Iceland are perfect examples.
You can add in Bournemouth too. Div 1 and Champ players performing in the Premier lge. Work to a system and have belief in it and each other. Plus have faith in the manager and coaching staff.
Play in black and red to emulate AC Milan.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
I agree with Redknapp over Gareth Southgate - I don't dislike the guy but he has no record as a successful manager in the senior ranks and I can't imagine anyone being inspired by him. We need someone that can create a positive atmosphere amongst the players - some team spirit - the team of 96 were knocked for their laddish behaviour off the pitch but maybe that helped them play as a team on the pitch. Get the spirit right and then someone with some tactical awareness - it's not rocket science.
I do agree that our players are not up there with the very best in the world and there are still problems with our academies favouring athletes over skill and people who are a bit different not being trusted so we develop too many identikit players but we should be able to get to quarter and semi finals and then if they play above themselves and get a bit of luck who knows.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Counter arguement.d00d4h wrote:Both play in blue - coincidence?
So do Scotland.
Ha ha ha!
I am Scottish....
Best joke I heard about the tournament was from (bizarrely) John Inverdale: A Scotsman walks into a bar but has no-one to talk to because the Englishman, Irishman and Welshman have all gone to the Euros.
Guess it's our round for you lads now.__________________________________________
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popularname wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Counter arguement.d00d4h wrote:Both play in blue - coincidence?
So do Scotland.
Ha ha ha!
I am Scottish....
Best joke I heard about the tournament was from (bizarrely) John Inverdale: A Scotsman walks into a bar but has no-one to talk to because the Englishman, Irishman and Welshman have all gone to the Euros.
Guess it's our round for you lads now.
An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walked into a bar... to watch Wales play.0 -
This is excellent and sums up the mood of England supporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw-yG8jDyzsAlways be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
cc78 wrote:Technically, the British and Irish players (barring Bale and a couple of others) aren't up to the job. I lost count of the number of times an England player miscontrolled the ball or overhit a pass on Monday night. This is clearly a coaching issue and it has always been the case.
The above faults can be overcome to a point if the team is well organised, solid and cohesive. Norn Iron punched above their weight because of this, but ultimately the lack of ability took its toll. Same goes for the ROI and I suspect Wales will be found out this weekend. England may have had slightly better players (albeit with the same technical limitations) but they completely lacked the organisation, discipline and team spirit shown by the other British/Irish teams.
In short, the British style of play is simply not fit for purpose at international level.
Furthermore you have the issue that not enough British players play abroad, so they don't have practical experience of any other style of football. They also lack the mental toughness and ability to adapt to different situations and surroundings that living overseas can bring. Many of them live inside their Premiership bubble, paid exorbitant amounts of money per week and constantly being told how great they are. It may or may not be the case that international football doesn't really matter to some players, but it's certainly true that if you take someone like that out their comfort zone both on and off the pitch, they will struggle and ultimately fail.
We're in the semi's playing Portugal and one away from the finals, so don't lump us in with your failures please! England go strutting into every tournament believing the BS that your media churns out. Other nations in the British Isles are told to " get behind the 3 Lions" as if they were a UK team. The thugs rampage around creating havoc, then invariably the wheels fall off the chariot embarrassingly, que recriminations, much English soul searching, blame throwing and 1966 nostalgia. Fact of the matter is the England team have never worked cohesively for decades and are simply not very good!0 -
RallyBiker wrote:
We're in the semi's playing Portugal and one away from the finals, so don't lump us in with your failures please! England go strutting into every tournament believing the BS that your media churns out. Other nations in the British Isles are told to " get behind the 3 Lions" as if they were a UK team. The thugs rampage around creating havoc, then invariably the wheels fall off the chariot embarrassingly, que recriminations, much English soul searching, blame throwing and 1966 nostalgia. Fact of the matter is the England team have never worked cohesively for decades and are simply not very good!
Nobody cares if Scotland or Wales get behind England, do what you want, English fans support their team what do you expect.
Most English do hope the Welsh do well, maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Why?DeVlaeminck wrote:maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.
Rally biker is Welsh.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
RallyBiker wrote:cc78 wrote:Technically, the British and Irish players (barring Bale and a couple of others) aren't up to the job. I lost count of the number of times an England player miscontrolled the ball or overhit a pass on Monday night. This is clearly a coaching issue and it has always been the case.
The above faults can be overcome to a point if the team is well organised, solid and cohesive. Norn Iron punched above their weight because of this, but ultimately the lack of ability took its toll. Same goes for the ROI and I suspect Wales will be found out this weekend. England may have had slightly better players (albeit with the same technical limitations) but they completely lacked the organisation, discipline and team spirit shown by the other British/Irish teams.
In short, the British style of play is simply not fit for purpose at international level.
Furthermore you have the issue that not enough British players play abroad, so they don't have practical experience of any other style of football. They also lack the mental toughness and ability to adapt to different situations and surroundings that living overseas can bring. Many of them live inside their Premiership bubble, paid exorbitant amounts of money per week and constantly being told how great they are. It may or may not be the case that international football doesn't really matter to some players, but it's certainly true that if you take someone like that out their comfort zone both on and off the pitch, they will struggle and ultimately fail.
We're in the semi's playing Portugal and one away from the finals, so don't lump us in with your failures please! England go strutting into every tournament believing the BS that your media churns out. Other nations in the British Isles are told to " get behind the 3 Lions" as if they were a UK team. The thugs rampage around creating havoc, then invariably the wheels fall off the chariot embarrassingly, que recriminations, much English soul searching, blame throwing and 1966 nostalgia. Fact of the matter is the England team have never worked cohesively for decades and are simply not very good!
Great display by Wales last night but I stand by the comments about the British style of play. Of course, Wales have done well but it would be stretching reality to deny they are punching above their weight and, maybe more importantly, they have been very lucky in the draw. Good for them but let's not get carried away.
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I think this backs up Leicester's season i.e. a team with decent but not brilliant players combined with a great team spirit and belief can be a match for a group of individually talented but incohesive players. It obviously helps having a world star there too especially when he acts as a part of that team rather than some pampered princess who is too good for the others (as we have seen in some other teams). I have to admit I thought we were going to get hammered last night when that Belgian goal went in a defenders were getting yellow carded but so pleased to be proved wrong.0
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Just saying it as it is chap. I also think another factor is a fear of failure with the above mentioned repercussions. i.e Rooney jets off to Ibiza post Euros, Sterling videos his home and you'd swear it was the crime of the century in the tabloid press. Could this play on players minds during the tournament?? Anyway enough of England, off to the bookies to collect my £3000 win,ta ta!DeVlaeminck wrote:RallyBiker wrote:
We're in the semi's playing Portugal and one away from the finals, so don't lump us in with your failures please! England go strutting into every tournament believing the BS that your media churns out. Other nations in the British Isles are told to " get behind the 3 Lions" as if they were a UK team. The thugs rampage around creating havoc, then invariably the wheels fall off the chariot embarrassingly, que recriminations, much English soul searching, blame throwing and 1966 nostalgia. Fact of the matter is the England team have never worked cohesively for decades and are simply not very good!
Nobody cares if Scotland or Wales get behind England, do what you want, English fans support their team what do you expect.
Most English do hope the Welsh do well, maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Why?DeVlaeminck wrote:maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.
Rally biker is Welsh.
Yes I know he said, what is your point?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
RallyBiker wrote:[
Just saying it as it is chap.
No the English go into tournaments with hope rather than expectation, they don't expct the Scots or the Welsh to get behind the 3 lions but they will still generally wish the Welsh well, less so the Scots simply because the Scots are more likely to make it clear the feeling is not reciprocated.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
It was a Welshman making the points in the post above.DeVlaeminck wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Why?DeVlaeminck wrote:maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.
Rally biker is Welsh.
Yes I know he said, what is your point?
Why treat the Welsh differently to the Scots?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The draw has less to do with luck and more to do with England's total inability to score against Russia or Slovakia.cc78 wrote:... and, maybe more importantly, they have been very lucky in the draw. Good for them but let's not get carried away.
Would there have been much made of a draw containing England, Belgium, Portugal and Poland? That was the target.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
It was a Welshman making the points in the post above.DeVlaeminck wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Why?DeVlaeminck wrote:maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.
Rally biker is Welsh.
Yes I know he said, what is your point?
Why treat the Welsh differently to the Scots?
Because as far as I am aware he is not the official spokesperson for all of Wales.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Apart from a couple of decent games (Wales vs. Belgium in particular, and if I were a neutral I'd say England vs. Iceland), I can't remember such a boring footie tournament since USA '94.0
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Every few days I watch Sky's round-up prog called Leicester's Title Party, because it's a brilliant wrap for the day and it still makes me grin like a Cheshire cat. Near the end Andy King gets his 20 seconds where the interviewer reminds him that he's won League One, The Championship and now The Premier League with Leicester. It would be the icing on the cherry on the cake of all cakes if he can win Euro2016 with Wales. I really hope he does.Pross wrote:I think this backs up Leicester's season i.e. a team with decent but not brilliant players combined with a great team spirit and belief can be a match for a group of individually talented but incohesive players. It obviously helps having a world star there too especially when he acts as a part of that team rather than some pampered princess who is too good for the others (as we have seen in some other teams). I have to admit I thought we were going to get hammered last night when that Belgian goal went in a defenders were getting yellow carded but so pleased to be proved wrong.0 -
None of us are.DeVlaeminck wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
It was a Welshman making the points in the post above.DeVlaeminck wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Why?DeVlaeminck wrote:maybe less so the Scots but only because of stuff like your post above.
Rally biker is Welsh.
Yes I know he said, what is your point?
Why treat the Welsh differently to the Scots?
Because as far as I am aware he is not the official spokesperson for all of Wales.
Doesn't stop us spouting off though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
