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How will you vote in the EU Poll

fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
edited June 2016 in The cake stop
Genuine Question here - I see a lot of talk about voting out but Is it just that those voting In aren't shouting about it ?

So what do us cyclists think ? Are we naturally Europhiles ?

No need to discuss here - there's another thread about that.

How are you going to vote in the Brexit Poll 134 votes

Voting Out
24% 33 votes
Voting to Stay In
67% 91 votes
Undecided
7% 10 votes
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  • johnny25johnny25 Posts: 344
    I love Europe, the culture, the cities, the Song Contest....
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    I love that about 3 people view this page for every one voting. I wonder if the actual poll will be that apathetic.

    Click the button lurkers !

    :-)
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    fenix wrote:
    I love that about 3 people view this page for every one voting. I wonder if the actual poll will be that apathetic.

    Click the button lurkers !

    :-)

    You cannot.
    You have to be registered and logged in to vote.

    Most of the lurkers will be voting out too :twisted:
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    Why would lurkers be more likely to vote out ?
  • GiraffotoGiraffoto Posts: 2,078
    No, the lurkers will hang around outside the polling booths but never go in and vote. I'm voting Remain because (a) no one has ever left the EU before* (b) I can't see the rest of the EU countries making it easy for us for fear of encouraging other leavers and (c) other countries such as the US will see us as a side issue - deal with the EU or deal with the UK? Priorities . . .

    * OK, Greenland. A territory with only one industry and a smaller population than Ipswich, that's now quite keen to join up again.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 19,582
    Yes - but I am really obviously biased and not sure I get a vote either way...
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  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    It's kind of looking decisive for the cyclist vote isn't it ?
  • BobbinogsBobbinogs Posts: 4,928
    Probably says a lot about how demographics will influence this vote. If you look on the forum twowheelsand2breezeblocksonaburnoutcarinmyfrontgarden.com then the voting there is going the other way...
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    That demographic probably won't be arsed to vote though. It's probably a breach of their human rights for something to cut into Eastenders and their drinking time.
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    Shameless Bump to get some more votes on the poll. Currently 2:1 to stay in.
  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    One month to go.

    I wonder if there would be a different result over in mtb or commuting?
  • homers_doublehomers_double Posts: 6,445
    I'm voting to stay in, the economy does now seem to be genuinely on the up which from my point of view is excellent as it means our business is finally making some money after a few years struggling along with most other manufacturing outfits.

    I think an exit will cause that recovery to stall, fast, and in a similar but not as dramatic version of the 2008 credit crunch/recession.
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  • secretsamsecretsam Posts: 4,523
    johnny25 wrote:
    I love Europe, the culture, the cities, the Song Contest....

    Are you Australian?

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,160
    101 votes on this so far - so not QUITE definitive - but us cyclists seem to be very fond of Europe.
  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 22,317 Lives Here
    cougie wrote:
    One month to go.

    I wonder if there would be a different result over in mtb or commuting?
    MTB are mostly for remain judging by the thread in the CC. I strongly suspect that the commuters will be in, but there isn't a thread over there.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    fenix wrote:
    101 votes on this so far - so not QUITE definitive - but us cyclists seem to be very fond of Europe.

    I am quite fond of a few neighbours in our street, but I don't give them all keys to my house and let the residents committee tell me what to do in it!

    Cyclists will still be as fond of Europe won't they?
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    fenix wrote:
    That demographic probably won't be arsed to vote though. It's probably a breach of their human rights for something to cut into Eastenders and their drinking time.

    Its remain campaigners that love Human Rights Legislation IMO.

    The Eastenders viewer with a car on bricks outside their flat is far more 'Throw the Paedo to the lions' I would have thought?
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 8,065
    Remain with a 2/3 majority - can only hope that's how it turns out for real!!

    Anyone care to guess what the real margin will be?

    I'm going to put my neck out and say 53:47 to Remain.
  • GiraffotoGiraffoto Posts: 2,078
    Dear Mr Cameron,
    If the referendum results come in with a majority for Remain, the Leave campaigners are going to accuse you of rigging the vote. We all know they're going to say that anyway, so please can you actually do it just to be on the safe side?
    Yours sincerely, A. Voter
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  • joelsimjoelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pretty much what I would've expected on this forum. The demographic of the remain voter is more educated, much more likely to read The Guardian that The Daily Heil, green-conscious and not too right-wing.

    As the same question on a soccerball forum and it would of been different, there outlook is completely different, your all muppets

    ...even though they'd be the ones who lost out if we were to leave.
  • GiraffotoGiraffoto Posts: 2,078
    joelsim wrote:
    . . . not too right-wing.

    . . .

    What are you saying, comrade?
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  • BobbinogsBobbinogs Posts: 4,928
    joelsim wrote:
    Pretty much what I would've expected on this forum. The demographic of the remain voter is more educated, much more likely to read The Guardian that The Daily Heil, green-conscious and not too right-wing.

    Ask the same question on a soccerball forum and it would have been different, their outlook is completely different, you're all muppets

    ...even though they'd be the ones who lost out if we were to leave.

    So, stupid people voted Leave and all the educated ones voted to Remain? Except the majority of the people I know have a decent university degree and are in 'white collar' jobs...and the vast majority voted Leave for a whole variety of reasons.

    I know a lot of Remain voters struggle with the concept but not all Leave voters are right wing or extremists, just have a different view of how the EU is best fixed. All sides seem to agree that the EU is broken but Remainers want to fix it from inside whilst Leavers want to get outside and then join the EU when/if it has sorted itself out so that we know what it is we are actually joining and can make a reasoned choice.

    Personally, I am fed up to the back teeth of hearing politicians admit that the EU is broken but the best way of fixing it is to stay in, although mainly I am fed up to the back teeth of hearing politicians.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 11,057
    Bobbinogs wrote:
    ...although mainly I am fed up to the back teeth of hearing politicians.
    You will be happy to read that the majority of them seem to be resignng, and not one wants the top job.
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  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 7,033
    Bobbinogs wrote:
    So, stupid people voted Leave and all the educated ones voted to Remain? Except the majority of the people I know have a decent university degree and are in 'white collar' jobs...and the vast majority voted Leave for a whole variety of reasons.
    One thing I'm really fed up with these days is the way that so many people try to make arguments by exaggerating and misrepresenting any argument used against them: the classic straw man tactic.

    So, yes, some disappointed (but mainly worried) Remainers are painting Leavers as stupid: because they think it is a stupid decision. But far more Leavers are howling "horrible snobs!" at people who are really just devastated and uncomprehending of those who have, as they see it, screwed up the country for no gain.

    The truth is that all the real info available says that on average, people who voted leave are older, poorer and less educated than the younger, richer and better educated Remainers. On average - but by quite some distance. Not to mention the geographical "turkeys voting for Christmas" distribution.

    Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.
  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 22,317 Lives Here
    bompington wrote:
    Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.
    I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.
  • veronese68 wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.
    I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

    Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?
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  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 22,317 Lives Here
    Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?
    Yes, because that's trivial compared to everything else. There are idiots all around us, or hadn't you noticed?
  • joelsimjoelsim Posts: 7,552
    veronese68 wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.
    I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

    Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

    Yes. Because that voter clearly didn't understand the economic issues involved from a Brexit (like all Leave voters).
  • veronese68 wrote:
    Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?
    Yes, because that's trivial compared to everything else. There are idiots all around us, or hadn't you noticed?

    For sure there are idiots everywhere :)

    I was just bringing some balance into the conversation as everything said here was that only leavers were idiots
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