How will you vote in the EU Poll

coopster_the_1st

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.

I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

Yes. Because that voter clearly didn't understand the economic issues involved from a Brexit (like all Leave voters).

At this rate, the leave side are going to be blamed for not thinking about increasing the number of street cleaners to pick up all the dummies that are still being spat out by the remainers.

finchy

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.

I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

Do you mean people who understood that leaving the EU would damage the UK's economy and the government would have less money to spend? It's not particularly stupid, is it?

By the way, Nigel Farage himself is now predicting a recession. Nothing to do with leave though. Oh, no, absolutely nothing at all.

joelsim

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.

I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

Yes. Because that voter clearly didn't understand the economic issues involved from a Brexit (like all Leave voters).

At this rate, the leave side are going to be blamed for not thinking about increasing the number of street cleaners to pick up all the dummies that are still being spat out by the remainers.

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

coopster_the_1st

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.

I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

Yes. Because that voter clearly didn't understand the economic issues involved from a Brexit (like all Leave voters).

At this rate, the leave side are going to be blamed for not thinking about increasing the number of street cleaners to pick up all the dummies that are still being spat out by the remainers.

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

And yet experts are saying the UK can be forced to start Art 50 when this is plainly not true

finchy

Joelsim wrote:

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

Oh, come on now Joel, don't be silly. Both Katie Hopkins and Richard Littlejohn backed Brexit. And we all know they're the REAL experts.

joelsim

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Now I personally wouldn't distil all that into "stupid" but I can understand how some disappointed, scared and angry people might.

I don't think all leave voters are stupid, just as I don't think they are all racist. But some are. The stupid ones are those that voted to leave as a protest but didn't actually want it to happen, or those that now realise the consequences and are asking why they didn't know that before.

Would you think a remain voter was stupid if they based their vote on there being a punishment budget in the event of a leave vote?

Yes. Because that voter clearly didn't understand the economic issues involved from a Brexit (like all Leave voters).

At this rate, the leave side are going to be blamed for not thinking about increasing the number of street cleaners to pick up all the dummies that are still being spat out by the remainers.

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

And yet experts are saying the UK can be forced to start Art 50 when this is plainly not true

The legal experts aren't.

bobmcstuff

I haven't read any experts saying we can be forced to go through on Article 50? But then I'm only reading FT...

There's forcing and there's forcing, though - I think it's clear they can't literally make us do it or do it for us, but there are other ways of making people do things (especially since they are holding a lot of the negotiating chips).

Bobbinogs

finchy wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

Oh, come on now Joel, don't be silly. Both Katie Hopkins and Richard Littlejohn backed Brexit. And we all know they're the REAL experts.

...whereas David Beckham and Bob Geldof used their considerable intellects to determine that a Remain vote was the right thing to do. This referendum, in the absence of a decent and reasoned debate, was left to the mindless celebs to try to steer the electorate in either direction but, as it turns out, Britain voted to leave the EU. Fine by me. There will be some turmoil in the same way that those knocking down the Berlin wall knew that there would be some issues but, to be fair to the Germans, they seem to have got on with things since then.

Let's look forward and sort things out. I am a cup half full man myself.

finchy

Bobbinogs wrote:

finchy wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

There was almost unanimous expert opinion on the matter.

Oh, come on now Joel, don't be silly. Both Katie Hopkins and Richard Littlejohn backed Brexit. And we all know they're the REAL experts.

...whereas David Beckham and Bob Geldof used their considerable intellects to determine that a Remain vote was the right thing to do. This referendum, in the absence of a decent and reasoned debate, was left to the mindless celebs to try to steer the electorate in either direction but, as it turns out, Britain voted to leave the EU. Fine by me. There will be some turmoil in the same way that those knocking down the Berlin wall knew that there would be some issues but, to be fair to the Germans, they seem to have got on with things since then.

Let's look forward and sort things out. I am a cup half full man myself.

The difference between Beckham/Geldof and Hopkins/Littlejohn is that the former were endorsing the view of experts from a wide range of fields - including, IIRC, economists, business organisations, scientists, top doctors, etc. The latter were endorsing the views of a few politicians who clearly don't have a clue what to do next.

veronese68

Bobbinogs wrote:

There will be some turmoil in the same way that those knocking down the Berlin wall knew that there would be some issues but, to be fair to the Germans, they seem to have got on with things since then.

Knocking down the wall was the complete opposite of this, it was about unity. Divorces are a lot messier than weddings.

florerider

Veronese68 wrote:

Bobbinogs wrote:

There will be some turmoil in the same way that those knocking down the Berlin wall knew that there would be some issues but, to be fair to the Germans, they seem to have got on with things since then.

Knocking down the wall was the complete opposite of this, it was about unity. Divorces are a lot messier than weddings.

Especially with no prenup or idea of how the split will take place, and no mediation - its a straight forward argument, 27 vs 1.

surrey_commuter

Bobbinogs wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Pretty much what I would've expected on this forum. The demographic of the remain voter is more educated, much more likely to read The Guardian that The Daily Heil, green-conscious and not too right-wing.

Ask the same question on a soccerball forum and it would have been different, their outlook is completely different, you're all muppets

...even though they'd be the ones who lost out if we were to leave.

So, stupid people voted Leave and all the educated ones voted to Remain? Except the majority of the people I know have a decent university degree and are in 'white collar' jobs...and the vast majority voted Leave for a whole variety of reasons.

I know a lot of Remain voters struggle with the concept but not all Leave voters are right wing or extremists, just have a different view of how the EU is best fixed. All sides seem to agree that the EU is broken but Remainers want to fix it from inside whilst Leavers want to get outside and then join the EU when/if it has sorted itself out so that we know what it is we are actually joining and can make a reasoned choice.

Personally, I am fed up to the back teeth of hearing politicians admit that the EU is broken but the best way of fixing it is to stay in, although mainly I am fed up to the back teeth of hearing politicians.

so given a choice of remain or leave some non-idiots voted "out but I want to rejoin".

Once we are out it will be forever - because if we apply to join we would have no opt outs and would have to commit to joining the EU. Oh and they would laugh derisively and tell us to fuck off.

veronese68

So vote leave to rejoin later with no opt outs, no rebate and having to have the Euro? And you think they are the clever leave voters?
You can't think too highly of the rest then.

florerider

Can't help but think the blonde baboon both wanted and expected a close remain vote to launch his leadership bid. He certainly does not seem ready for leave winning.

As for being the unity candidate :shock:

Giraffoto

florerider wrote:

Can't help but think the blonde baboon both wanted and expected a close remain vote to launch his leadership bid. He certainly does not seem ready for leave winning.

Given that the first sentiment he expressed was "let's not be too hasty about this", you're probably right.

My predictions . . . .
There's too much riding on this to ever make the mistake of putting it to a referendum again, so it'll be left to our negotiators to come up with the model for our future relationship with the EU. Business interests will insist we get access to the single market "just like Norway and Switzerland", and it'll inevitably come with the free movement of workers. In five years time the only difference in our relationship with the EU will be that we'll be paying in slightly less, not getting any subsidies back, and without any say in how things are run