#fail cycle superhighway in London

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    That sounds like an insult, not an argument.
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    coriordan wrote:
    Why are you antagonising a total stranger only to further infuriate him? You haven't really solved anything other than further pissing him off and fuelling the fire among all his other anti cycling friends.

    Even if you had to say something, why not 'come on mate, the traffic here is pants anyway, give it a rest'

    I was the second rider he'd had an unprovoked pop at in about 300 yards. I don't think reasoning was really his "thing".

    He was certainly well able to continue the discussion at the level I'd set though. I'll give him that.
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  • buckmulligan
    buckmulligan Posts: 1,031
    Yeah, I'm sure that cabbie is going to be a lot more tolerant and respectful of cyclists now, so give yourself a pat on the back... :roll:
  • cookeeemonster
    cookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    Really doesn't matter a jot whether or not someone swore back at him.. Do we really think those 2 examples given of cyclist intimidation are the first times he's done that in his life? Or do we think in reality its a daily/weekly occurrence?

    I know from personal experience the very best thing you can do is ignore them or smile back and say something nice to them - never engage in conversation about how they don't know s**t about the highway code or the law, they don't care. Jeremy Clarkson. Daily Mail.

    Enough said :)
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    I love it when Greg talks dirty, makes me all tingley

    You filthy potty mouth you ;-P
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Can't we all just get along?

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  • pmorgan1
    pmorgan1 Posts: 173
    elbowloh wrote:
    Can't we all just get along?

    ;-)

    Any suggestions? Start with cyclists overtaking two already riding abreast. Any advice what the cyclist going the opposite direction should be doing?
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    I had a CSH related incident this morning. Stopped at the lights on the top of col du jzed (junction of byward street and great tower street). I am in the right lane indicating that I am turning right to join the road heading east to Canary Wharf. There is a lorry in front which has come down Great Tower Street but cannot move forward so its blocking all the cyclists. As I am going into the main road anyway I go on the outside of the lorry and lo and behold some muppet who is heading west decides that he would go round the front of the lorry and cycle down the wrong side of the road into the oncoming traffic. There was little I could do and I ended up on the ground, he had headbutted me as he wasn't wearing a helmet. He didn't have an id, couldn't recall his address and gave me a made up name. I am now sitting at my desk, taking ibuprofen and nursing a very bad headache. Thanks a lot Rim or whatever your name is.
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  • pmorgan1
    pmorgan1 Posts: 173
    fat_tail wrote:
    I had a CSH related incident this morning. Stopped at the lights on the top of col du jzed (junction of byward street and great tower street). I am in the right lane indicating that I am turning right to join the road heading east to Canary Wharf. There is a lorry in front which has come down Great Tower Street but cannot move forward so its blocking all the cyclists. As I am going into the main road anyway I go on the outside of the lorry and lo and behold some muppet who is heading west decides that he would go round the front of the lorry and cycle down the wrong side of the road into the oncoming traffic. There was little I could do and I ended up on the ground, he had headbutted me as he wasn't wearing a helmet. He didn't have an id, couldn't recall his address and gave me a made up name. I am now sitting at my desk, taking ibuprofen and nursing a very bad headache. Thanks a lot Rim or whatever your name is.

    Sorry to hear that :(((

    I'm using less and less of the CSH and find myself filtering through traffic going in opposite directions. My premise is the oncoming motorcycles are more sane than many oncoming cyclists on the CSH.
  • inbike
    inbike Posts: 264
    fat_tail wrote:
    There is a lorry in front which has come down Great Tower Street but cannot move forward so its blocking all the cyclists.

    This seems to happen very frequently. A bad bit of road design.
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    inbike wrote:
    fat_tail wrote:
    There is a lorry in front which has come down Great Tower Street but cannot move forward so its blocking all the cyclists.

    This seems to happen very frequently. A bad bit of road design.

    indeed.. I was just showing my colleague where the accident happened and as Google Maps has spliced together pre CSH and current photos around it can be seen that there was a yellow box junction there pre-CSH which they seem to have to forgotten to put back.
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  • Bikequin
    Bikequin Posts: 402
    Pretty nasty crash caught on camera at the start of the month:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RH5HBq5hOg

    Can imagine there will be a few more of these unless everyone chills out a little.
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  • markhewitt1978
    markhewitt1978 Posts: 7,614
    Bikequin wrote:
    Pretty nasty crash caught on camera at the start of the month:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RH5HBq5hOg

    Can imagine there will be a few more of these unless everyone chills out a little.

    "Please slow down" isn't really the thing, please check the way is clear before overtaking, would apply to all roads. Although it does appear here that the lane is simply too narrow for two way traffic.
  • Bikequin
    Bikequin Posts: 402
    Its not my video so I didn't write the title - but I think the gist of it was slow down rather than go for the dodgy overtake.
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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    I know that section of the super highway very well and there is a not insignificant amount of wankerish behaviour along there including idiots who zoom by just as soon as everyone who has been waiting patiently for a green light start moving off
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  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    Saw a guy going the other way along the Embankment yesterday, with a red light on the front of his bike. Sheer lunacy...
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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    I have seen many idiots with a white light at the back...
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  • BobMcbob
    BobMcbob Posts: 104
    Saw a guy going the other way along the Embankment yesterday, with a red light on the front of his bike. Sheer lunacy...

    Saw a courier bike with lights like this on CS3 yesterday, surely you'd think he'd know better? Won't live long
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    I can't see how that route around Parliament Sq is a good thing. It just seems to be a charter for RLJing for an assortment of numpties, buffoons and those who have no desire to wait until the lights turn green.
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  • inbike
    inbike Posts: 264
    New TfL stats out today:

    Road.cc summary http://road.cc/content/news/213076-massive-increase-cycling-londons-cycle-superhighways

    TfL report http://content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-161130-07-cycle-quietways.pdf

    Cyclists are now 70% of all rush hour traffic on Blackfriars Bridge, up to one bike every 2 seconds.
  • rower63
    rower63 Posts: 1,991
    Blackfriars arrangements being completely re-jigged is tacit acknowledgement that the old layout was a dog's breakfast. Very confusing this morning, it'll be interesting to see what the new layout looks like...
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  • inbike
    inbike Posts: 264
    rower63 wrote:
    Blackfriars arrangements being completely re-jigged is tacit acknowledgement that the old layout was a dog's breakfast. Very confusing this morning, it'll be interesting to see what the new layout looks like...

    The EW/NS junction at the bridge has only been rearranged to accomodate the Thames Tideway sewer works.

    I think it'll go back to how it was before once they are finished although it would be nice if they took the opportunity to fix a few things.
  • vpnikolov
    vpnikolov Posts: 568
    TfL personnel at the new sections today taking pictures and counting number of cyclists coming through. The new layout looks a bit better imo.
  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    vpnikolov wrote:
    TfL personnel at the new sections today taking pictures and counting number of cyclists coming through. The new layout looks a bit better imo.
    It looks better. The only problem today was that both the cyclists and road traffic had green at the same time.

    They probably need to sort that.
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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    man down on superhighway by tower hill. me !

    some tourist steps back from the pavement (between the superhighway and the road) without looking. i didn't stand a f*cking chance. broken derailleur, derailleur hanger, wheel out of true, taxi home. gash on lower left leg, sore left shoulder.
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  • drwae
    drwae Posts: 223
    fat_tail wrote:
    man down on superhighway by tower hill. me !

    some tourist steps back from the pavement (between the superhighway and the road) without looking. i didn't stand a f*cking chance. broken derailleur, derailleur hanger, wheel out of true, taxi home. gash on lower left leg, sore left shoulder.
    How was the tourist? :)
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    drwae wrote:
    fat_tail wrote:
    man down on superhighway by tower hill. me !

    some tourist steps back from the pavement (between the superhighway and the road) without looking. i didn't stand a f*cking chance. broken derailleur, derailleur hanger, wheel out of true, taxi home. gash on lower left leg, sore left shoulder.

    How was the tourist? :)

    well he got on his coach and went off...
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  • adambruntlett
    adambruntlett Posts: 257
    The new arrangement takes forever if you're switching from CS6 to CS3 or vice versa. Was much better for me before. Now I have to use a light-controlled crossing to pass over the Embankment rather than just go over the flyover. Real ballache. And going up from CS3 to CS6 involves lights to get over the road, invariably followed by an unnecessarily long wait at red lights at the top to go up CS6. Before it was a simple giveay (albeit with a light a few yards further on). They need to llook at the sequences because there are very long periods when the lights at the top of the ramp are red for cyclists and pedestrians and there's seemingly no motor traffic.
  • On_What
    On_What Posts: 516
    Surely someone has mentioned the bus into cycle lane directly after the lights on CS7 near Kennington? Got to be the most absurd layout
  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    fat_tail wrote:
    man down on superhighway by tower hill. me !

    some tourist steps back from the pavement (between the superhighway and the road) without looking. i didn't stand a f*cking chance. broken derailleur, derailleur hanger, wheel out of true, taxi home. gash on lower left leg, sore left shoulder.

    Damn - that's a bad start to the week. Hope you fix up quick and damage is less severe than first impression.

    I went down in very similar place and got away with a dose of road rash and scraped bike. My last three offs have all been pedestrians on cycle super highway. I go very slowly now and ring load bell if they are even close to the curb and not looking

    There was some other poor bugger down at Blackfriars this am as well - already with first aiders and wrapped in foil blanket. I think he was probably a pedestrian take down too as no sign of any other bike / vehicle.

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