Froome's Data
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Froome humiliated Wiggins in his moment of glory, let's not forget. It's funny to think that if he'd been released from Sky in 2011, Wiggo may never have won the Tour....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Froome humiliated Wiggins in his moment of glory, let's not forget. It's funny to think that if he'd been released from Sky a year earlier, Wiggo may never have won the Tour.
and Froome would not be a twice Tour winner
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His mother lived in on the outskirts of Nairobi and never left. He spent the school holidays with here (his parents were divorced - father in South Africa).[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774467#p19774467]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Froome lived in Joburg and attended a nice expensive private school there. He wasn't chased by Hippos before class or have to chase lions away to go riding. He had a very privileged upbringing there.
Much like the 'most tested man on the planet' myth that Armstrong pushed. Froome and his pretend bush life upbringing and works record longest lasting case of Bilharzia are nice copy to sell books but pretty far from reality I am afraid.
I believe he has also shown his bilharzia medical records to journalists. Even then it was one of several things hindering his progress. A knee injury in 2010 was probably just as problematic.
Your problem is that you have started from a very simple axiom that a winning cyclist is a doped cyclist. It's an intellectually lazy and lightweight position, but because it is cynical it makes gives the intellectually lazy and lightweight people a sense of superiority.
Now this being the internet the one thing that cannot be countenanced is that you might be wrong. Your rightness is sacrosanct. Therefore, anything which challenges this must be dismissed as some sort of conspiracy. It's not smart.Twitter: @RichN950 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774513#p19774513]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Froome humiliated Wiggins in his moment of glory, let's not forget. It's funny to think that if he'd been released from Sky a year earlier, Wiggo may never have won the Tour.
and Froome would not be a twice Tour winner
so there is that
If you mean he'd probably have three (four GTs if not nursing Wiggo @ Vuelta 2011), I'd agree. If you mean only Sky could have supported Froome to his Tour wins, the dismal 2013 performance suggests otherwise....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774513#p19774513]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Froome humiliated Wiggins in his moment of glory, let's not forget. It's funny to think that if he'd been released from Sky a year earlier, Wiggo may never have won the Tour.
and Froome would not be a twice Tour winner
so there is that
If you mean he'd probably have three (four GTs if not nursing Wiggo @ Vuelta 2011), I'd agree. If you mean only Sky could have supported Froome to his Tour wins, the dismal 2013 performance suggests otherwise.
So we agree. He would not be a twice Tour winner. Excellent.0 -
Surely the disadvantages mentioned were sporting. He came from a country that has never produced a pro cyclist before. Even his adopted nation of South Africa has only produced a handful.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774504#p19774504]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But he and his team - aided by David Walsh, it has to be said - have been quite successful in portraying this picture of the poor deprived kid who rose about all the 'disadvantages' of his upbringing.
In terms of disadvantages it is the equivalent of becoming a world class cricketer having been born and brought up in Germany before moving as a teen to the Netherlands.Twitter: @RichN950 -
His mother lived in on the outskirts of Nairobi and never left. He spent the school holidays with here (his parents were divorced - father in South Africa).[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774467#p19774467]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Froome lived in Joburg and attended a nice expensive private school there. He wasn't chased by Hippos before class or have to chase lions away to go riding. He had a very privileged upbringing there.
Much like the 'most tested man on the planet' myth that Armstrong pushed. Froome and his pretend bush life upbringing and works record longest lasting case of Bilharzia are nice copy to sell books but pretty far from reality I am afraid.
I believe he has also shown his bilharzia medical records to journalists. Even then it was one of several things hindering his progress. A knee injury in 2010 was probably just as problematic.
Your problem is that you have started from a very simple axiom that a winning cyclist is a doped cyclist. It's an intellectually lazy and lightweight position, but because it is cynical it makes gives the intellectually lazy and lightweight people a sense of superiority.
Now this being the internet the one thing that cannot be countenanced is that you might be wrong. Your rightness is sacrosanct. Therefore, anything which challenges this must be dismissed as some sort of conspiracy. It's not smart.
Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.0 -
If you had all this knowledge you'd mention some of it instead of falling back on the hoary only 'lies and spin' attack on inconvenient truths. I can presume your position because you are an Internet stereotype[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774548#p19774548]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.Twitter: @RichN950 -
If you had all this knowledge you'd mention some of it instead of falling back on the hoary only 'lies and spin' attack on inconvenient truths. I can presume your position because you are an Internet stereotype[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774548#p19774548]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.
If you have all this inside knowledge and data, I suggest you share it with UKADA."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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If you had all this knowledge you'd mention some of it instead of falling back on the hoary only 'lies and spin' attack on inconvenient truths. I can presume your position because you are an Internet stereotype[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774548#p19774548]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.
To add to Rich's comment, please supply some evidence over and above pillows, Millar/Brailsford once having coffee, JTL or indeed anything that is merely speculation. Let's have something concrete to show that you are making accusations based on a fact.
Oh, silly me, there isn't anything. In that case you can always go back to The Clinic where you can discuss your feelings with like-minded people.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774548#p19774548]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:
His mother lived in on the outskirts of Nairobi and never left. He spent the school holidays with here (his parents were divorced - father in South Africa).[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774467#p19774467]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Froome lived in Joburg and attended a nice expensive private school there. He wasn't chased by Hippos before class or have to chase lions away to go riding. He had a very privileged upbringing there.
Much like the 'most tested man on the planet' myth that Armstrong pushed. Froome and his pretend bush life upbringing and works record longest lasting case of Bilharzia are nice copy to sell books but pretty far from reality I am afraid.
I believe he has also shown his bilharzia medical records to journalists. Even then it was one of several things hindering his progress. A knee injury in 2010 was probably just as problematic.
Your problem is that you have started from a very simple axiom that a winning cyclist is a doped cyclist. It's an intellectually lazy and lightweight position, but because it is cynical it makes gives the intellectually lazy and lightweight people a sense of superiority.
Now this being the internet the one thing that cannot be countenanced is that you might be wrong. Your rightness is sacrosanct. Therefore, anything which challenges this must be dismissed as some sort of conspiracy. It's not smart.
Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.
Go on then - share ????
What makes the rubbish you spout any more believable than any journalist or "bloke I met once" !!!!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774467#p19774467]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:I only...Italy.
Bilharzia is a common disease in South Africa and the treatment lasts about a week or so.
Rubbish. My father had Bilharzia which eventually wrecked his pancreas. The parasite can get into the bloodstream (via the feet normally) and can take years to develop any symptoms. It's fine if it is diagnosed quickly but can be severe if not detected. It is prevalent in many countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis
Froome lived in Joburg and attended a nice expensive private school there. He wasn't chased by Hippos before class or have to chase lions away to go riding. He had a very privileged upbringing there.
Almost all white people attend private schools in Africa, there is little state education. Whether it is classed as 'private' or 'expensive' is subjective.
Much like the 'most tested man on the planet' myth that Armstrong pushed.
You're trolling and you have no evidence so I am not sure why I am responding to this post.
Froome and his pretend bush life upbringing and works record longest lasting case of Bilharzia are nice copy to sell books but pretty far from reality I am afraid.
My father caught Bilharzia in the mid 1940's and it went undetected until 1960. I realise that medical science has moved on from then but symptoms are not always clear in amongst the myriad of other tropical diseases.
Froomes downfall won't be as public or as severe as Armstrong's but it will happen. The truth always comes out, the cycling world is a small world after all.
The whole thread has been about the validity of the test results... I won't bother continuing.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
tbf, good on you for squashing this Bilharzia shizz, Pinno
I have my own doubts about Froome, but this trawling out of 'without exception, it gets cured in a week' is absolute baloney. Inaccurate and misleading (deliberately so, in some cases)0 -
Re: the comparison with Armstrong, there were definitely more in the way of people who were willing to speak out, even from relatively early on. Whereas to my knowledge nobody has come out with anything specific about Froome, it seems to be all speculation by journalists and people on the internet.
That's obviously not to say he's not doping, just that it is weird that people seem so convinced of it despite there not being any actual evidence. Unless you believe that Sky is paying everyone off using Murdoch's iron grip of the media (ha ha). It's like the Twin Towers conspiracy "theory" - it doesn't hold any water because it is impossible to keep quiet everybody who would be required to pull it off (as Armstrong found out).
Agree with one of Rodrigo's points though - if he has been up to anything , it will come out in time. Be very interesting to see what this evidence he is talking about is though, because it could change a lot of people's minds if it is as convincing as he seems to think.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774548#p19774548]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:
His mother lived in on the outskirts of Nairobi and never left. He spent the school holidays with here (his parents were divorced - father in South Africa).[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19774467#p19774467]Rodrego Hernandez[/url] wrote:Froome lived in Joburg and attended a nice expensive private school there. He wasn't chased by Hippos before class or have to chase lions away to go riding. He had a very privileged upbringing there.
Much like the 'most tested man on the planet' myth that Armstrong pushed. Froome and his pretend bush life upbringing and works record longest lasting case of Bilharzia are nice copy to sell books but pretty far from reality I am afraid.
I believe he has also shown his bilharzia medical records to journalists. Even then it was one of several things hindering his progress. A knee injury in 2010 was probably just as problematic.
Your problem is that you have started from a very simple axiom that a winning cyclist is a doped cyclist. It's an intellectually lazy and lightweight position, but because it is cynical it makes gives the intellectually lazy and lightweight people a sense of superiority.
Now this being the internet the one thing that cannot be countenanced is that you might be wrong. Your rightness is sacrosanct. Therefore, anything which challenges this must be dismissed as some sort of conspiracy. It's not smart.
Don't presume to know the position I started from. I've seen more data and spoken to more people who know the real story than you obviously have. If you are going to believe everything written by a tame journalist then that is up to you but it's a story for gullible fans, not the real thing.
Please do share with us mere mortals.0 -
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Proof of Froome's privileged upbringing- living like a rap star; playing "ball" in his swimming pool with a big cat (no doubt there are naked honies in bikinis and bling just out of shot) - hunting endangered big game like rhino and then having the temerity to pat it in a condescending manner to pander to his 6 year old ego...
Then cruising about on his Armstrong-inspired Trek wheels - to probably sell dope to kiddies in da bush... What a b@stard. He makes me sick.0 -
While we're at it, I'm all up for more pictures of famous doping cyclists (like Froome) as kids so I can mercilessly pick holes in their lives and their bullshite stories as written in conjunction with internationally renowned and respected journalists. Especially if there's a really juicy "family break-up" angle. A funky tropical disease is good, too. I find it really helps with my own sense of desperate insecurity and profound neediness when it comes to adhering to my crushingly bleak outlook. When someone says "look at the rainbow!", I say there must be a binary version - let's look at that, instead.0
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While we're at it, I'm all up for more pictures of famous cyclists (like Froome) as kids
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Simon Gerrans
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And what is my opinion? As far as I can tell I haven't expressed it. All I have done is mention Froome's asthma - which he clearly has, otherwise there was no need for the puffer - and posted my own variation of a party team, going off another persons post.Stop trolling world or you'll be gone.
You can have opinions on Froome. Plenty do.
But lobbing opinions and chat in that you know will provoke and then crying innocence is infantile behaviour and it won't be tolerated.
And in case it isn't clear: this bit isn't up for discussion. So stop it.
Wow, this place is pretty cliquey :shock:0 -
SNAP!
Simon GerransWhile we're at it, I'm all up for more pictures of famous cyclists (like Froome) as kids
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19775160#p19775160]World of Wigans[/url] wrote:
And what is my opinion? As far as I can tell I haven't expressed it. All I have done is mention Froome's asthma - which he clearly has, otherwise there was no need for the puffer - and posted my own variation of a party team, going off another persons post.Stop trolling world or you'll be gone.
You can have opinions on Froome. Plenty do.
But lobbing opinions and chat in that you know will provoke and then crying innocence is infantile behaviour and it won't be tolerated.
And in case it isn't clear: this bit isn't up for discussion. So stop it.
Wow, this place is pretty cliquey :shock:
It isn't about being cliquey, it's about people coming on the forum and chucking out the same old sh*te. And having been through the process of debunking the troll accusations over and over again, it is just very boring. Stick to The Clinic, or by all means keep us updated here when some new 'evidence' comes to light, just ensure its not simply speculation and includes some substance. Then people here will happily engage with you.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19775160#p19775160]World of Wigans[/url] wrote:
And what is my opinion? As far as I can tell I haven't expressed it. All I have done is mention Froome's asthma - which he clearly has, otherwise there was no need for the puffer - and posted my own variation of a party team, going off another persons post.Stop trolling world or you'll be gone.
You can have opinions on Froome. Plenty do.
But lobbing opinions and chat in that you know will provoke and then crying innocence is infantile behaviour and it won't be tolerated.
And in case it isn't clear: this bit isn't up for discussion. So stop it.
Wow, this place is pretty cliquey :shock:
It isn't about being cliquey, it's about people coming on the forum and chucking out the same old sh*te. And having been through the process of debunking the troll accusations over and over again, it is just very boring. Stick to The Clinic, or by all means keep us updated here when some new 'evidence' comes to light, just ensure its not simply speculation and includes some substance. Then people here will happily engage with you.
I was listening to Woman's Hour on R4 yesterday in the car (often worth a listen with genuinely interesting/moving items - although you do have to put up with quite a lot of frightfully bright and squealing 24 year old bloggers called Felicity sharing their experiences of travelling to Cambodia after leaving Uni and giving us all a lecture on feminism, sexism and fashion in the workplace since starting that job at an agency off of Bond St owned by one of mummy's friends in the village. Sorry - I done a digress...); some woman from Mumsnet said that by and large (except for incidences of blatant misogyny, racism or abuse, etc) the forum community moderates itself. Mostly, it's posters being inadvertently judgemental that causes offence - and they soon get put right.
When someone comes on with a drearily obvious agenda like the constant dribble of trolls on here, it stymies the discussion because a lot of people won't bother getting involved and post their thoughts because they think "oh bo11ocks - it's that fool again...".
On the plus side, there don't seem to be that many - just made more noticeable in the off season when there are no Sky riders being amazing in races to wind them up.0 -
Interchangeable with Valverde for me this pic![url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19775161#p19775161]World of Wigans[/url] wrote:
SNAP!
Simon GerransWhile we're at it, I'm all up for more pictures of famous cyclists (like Froome) as kids
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I was not sure what topic used but as it relates to data:
someone has posted this photo on a Facebook page, saying it would be the Froome data on Strava for a ride in SA. Is it only me that finds it strange :?: , not the numbers but the fact that each line, kmh m w and bpm are underlined as when we made mistakes when typing on the keyboard
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WHy is there so many laps? Why would he be doing a lap of 0.8Km?0
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Shadowrider wrote:WHy is there so many laps? Why would he be doing a lap of 0.8Km?
That's how strava records intervals when you use your Garmin to time them."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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thchris1958 wrote:I was not sure what topic used but as it relates to data:
someone has posted this photo on a Facebook page, saying it would be the Froome data on Strava for a ride in SA. Is it only me that finds it strange :?: , not the numbers but the fact that each line, kmh m w and bpm are underlined as when we made mistakes when typing on the keyboard
Nope - thats perfectly normal. My strava displays with dotted lines under any abbreviated unit - hold the mouse over that unit and the full name appears in a bubble (km/h becomes kilometres per hour - presumable for those who were wondering what those strange figures are). Although I must admit there are fewer instances of 300w plus on my commute than on that ride supposedly by Froome0
