Froome's Data
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How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19765220#p19765220]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Even Swart has said that Froome should release his passport to an independent expert for review:
.CT: I’m not trying to paint Chris into a corner, but Michael Rasmussen said that he when he was blood doping, he would ride the Tour with a haematocrit in the low 40s. In that light, do you think it would have been an option to give the whole bio passport to someone like Michael Ashenden or Robin Parisotto [experts at detecting blood doping – ed.]?
You could say to them, okay, you assess this, come to your conclusions and then just release that conclusion without needing to release all the blood values publicly?
JS: Yes, I think that is a fair suggestion. And it is something that I would certainly suggest to them. So releasing it to an expert to review and for them to provide an opinion, certainly. Releasing it into the public domain doesn’t really add value.
Isn't the entire point of the passport that it is reviewed by independent experts?
Not the right independent experts. The prosecution want to pick the independent experts not realising this makes them non-independent experts.
This is like the 12 days of Christmas except it goes on all year.Correlation is not causation.0 -
A clean rider should have nothing to fear from releasing his passport to an independent expert for review. Froome seems very reluctant to do so for some reason.
You have just summed up the biopassport as it currently stands, minus the part about Froome being reluctant to release his data. Please before you start arguing for a 'different' system make sure you at least understand how the current system works.Correlation is not causation.0 -
How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?
They should do it for free for the love of science/crusade/witch hunt (delete as you feel appropriate).Correlation is not causation.0 -
A clean rider should have nothing to fear from releasing his passport to an independent expert for review. Froome seems very reluctant to do so for some reason.
Who are those people who should review it then? If you and others are making these demands, you must have a short list of people you think are suitable?
Of course, like normal passport it should be done by 3 people, independently. And you'd have to include it as part of a bigger data set - I don't know. maybe as part of a batch of 50 other athletes and non-athletes.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
A clean rider should have nothing to fear from releasing his passport to an independent expert for review. Froome seems very reluctant to do so for some reason.
Who are those people who should review it then? If you and others are making these demands, you must have a short list of people you think are suitable?
Of course, like normal passport it should be done by 3 people, independently. And you'd have to include it as part of a bigger data set - I don't know. maybe as part of a batch of 50 other athletes and non-athletes.
And of course the riders have to remain anonymous to make the process truly independent and free of bias
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How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?
Crowd Funding... just like the Kimmage Fund.0 -
How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?
Crowd Funding... just like the Kimmage Fund.
I know of 3 people who could help with that 0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19765359#p19765359]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?
Crowd Funding... just like the Kimmage Fund.
I know of 3 people who could help with that
I've got a PayPal account they can use.Correlation is not causation.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19765359#p19765359]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:How does Cuthbert suggest these apparently more independent testers get paid for their work?
And who pays them?
Crowd Funding... just like the Kimmage Fund.
I know of 3 people who could help with that
Only 3?
Along with Cuthbert, a few other names spring to mind, too, in their brave, brave fight against the ravaging fire that is doping...0 -
Oh - and get this: their commander is called Captain Flack.0
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Oh - and get this: their commander is called Captain Flack.
I'm put in mind of something along these lines
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/12/21/if-kenneth-williams-played-darth-vadar/0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19765391#p19765391]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Oh - and get this: their commander is called Captain Flack.
I'm put in mind of something along these lines
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/12/21/if-kenneth-williams-played-darth-vadar/
Trumpton, Kenneth Williams - and the thought of a British Tour winner: three towering pillars of endearing ridiculousness in the national psyche (from back before Aardman sold it off to Dreamworks…).0 -
How many circuits of this argument have been gone through in the thread?
You all secretly love it when a Cuthbert turns up in the thread. Gives you something to get your teeth into
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Well it is the off-season.0
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Not the right independent experts. The prosecution want to pick the independent experts not realising this makes them non-independent experts.
This is like the 12 days of Christmas except it goes on all year.[/quote]
Not unlike Swart perhaps?0 -
How many circuits of this argument have been gone through in the thread?
You all secretly love it when a Cuthbert turns up in the thread. Gives you something to get your teeth into
Ummmm.... :oops:0 -
It's now Christopher Froome OBE if you are into the whole formality thing. Nothing for Lizzie though, which is a shame.
Froome may be interested to know that the award comes with some perks - for example you can have a child (or grandchild) christened in St Paul's cathedral, as I was as my grandfather got an MBE.Twitter: @RichN950 -
It's now Christopher Froome OBE if you are into the whole formality thing. Nothing for Lizzie though, which is a shame.
Froome may be interested to know that the award comes with some perks - for example you can have a child (or grandchild) christened in St Paul's cathedral, as I was as my grandfather got an MBE.
Is your full name Richard N Starkey?0 -
Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.0 -
but why the sudden improvement in performance now ? are you internet doping . do we have any evidence of a steady increase in performance ? no . show us the data .Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels. 0 -
Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.
But 2007. A bad bad year....0 -
Go on then.Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.
You have no posts of note in 2007, then suddenly 3 in 2015/6. Next we'll be finding out that you had a coffee in Monaco with a bald headed man over a decade ago, and that you have your own camper with a fridge in it.0 -
Go on then.Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.
What would convince you?0 -
It's fairly easy.
Your IP isn't associated with any other account.
So let us know which account you had, I can search for it on the database and find it.0 -
but why the sudden improvement in performance now ? are you internet doping . do we have any evidence of a steady increase in performance ? no . show us the data .Alright Alex?
Picked up the forum pretty fast after one post!
Mmm... Suspicious. Has no presence before end 2015, then wham! Straight in with a pertinent post...
Either the content on this forum is child's play or someone is telling him the answers... If indeed Alex is a "him": fallen for that one before, too...
I can provide evidence going back to 2007 that I always had the potential to take part in internet discussions on cycling at the very highest levels.
It can assure you that this is one post that will stand the test of time. I just hope I don't get a cup of pee pee thrown at me while I am typing.0 -
It's fairly easy.
Your IP isn't associated with any other account.
So let us know which account you had, I can search for it on the database and find it.
Very kind, but honestly, I've not posted on this forum before.0 -
No I didn't think so.
Do frequent other parts of the forum.
There's a reason maca has "loon" in his name 0 -
No I didn't think so.
Do frequent other parts of the forum.
There's a reason maca has "loon" in his name
Will do. Cheers0
