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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Garry H wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    People objecting to the democratically elected representative of the world's most powerful nation, meeting up with someone with "God's right" to rule. How I'm laughing.
    Divine Right went out with the English Civil War. Do try and keep

    I'm not the one that needs to keep up, it still appears on their coat of arms :lol:
    Fair point. :) Not sure the Royal College of Arms does rebranding. Anyway, Prime Ministers decide who they will invite on Her Majesty's behalf.
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    rjsterry wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    People objecting to the democratically elected representative of the world's most powerful nation, meeting up with someone with "God's right" to rule. How I'm laughing.
    Divine Right went out with the English Civil War. Do try and keep

    I'm not the one that needs to keep up, it still appears on their coat of arms :lol:
    Fair point. :) Not sure the Royal College of Arms does rebranding. Anyway, Prime Ministers decide who they will invite on Her Majesty's behalf.

    I know, I was just being facetious. She's of no use whatsoever.

    "Rebranding the Royal Motto" - We should have a poll. Where's Bartman?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Anyone listening to Spicer? Utterly out of his depth. Apparently you can't assume that age/gender means someone is safe. Including, by implication, 5 year olds.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    He has the support of the American people on this. Despite that pesky approval rating thingy.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    I really can't see Spicer lasting. He's the public message (twitter aside). He's just not very good and if the press actually pushed him he'd fall over and over and over. Then he cuts and runs.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I really can't see Spicer lasting. He's the public message (twitter aside). He's just not very good and if the press actually pushed him he'd fall over and over and over. Then he cuts and runs.

    Isn't that woman who was punching people vying for his role anyway?
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I really can't see Spicer lasting. He's the public message (twitter aside). He's just not very good and if the press actually pushed him he'd fall over and over and over. Then he cuts and runs.

    Isn't that woman who was punching people vying for his role anyway?

    Yep. She'd be worse at it.

    Anyhow, you thought this was rough, Spicer did nothing to quell the rumour that a rollback LGBT Executive Order is coming.
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Ironically, the seven countries were put on the list of "most dangerous", or whatever, by Obama.

    Anyone else hear that NY Politician on Radio Four's PM Programme earlier? Words fail me.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Garry H wrote:
    Ironically, the seven countries were put on the list of "most dangerous", or whatever, by Obama.

    Anyone else hear that NY Politician on Radio Four's PM Programme earlier? Words fail me.
    If you read the explanation that V68 posted up thread, this was a list compiled for different reasons. I suspect it (rather than a more logical list) was used so they could sow a bit more confusion by claiming it was Obama's idea.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    edited January 2017
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm NOT [edit] defending Trump.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Washington State are starting litigation against the immigration ban executive order.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 550c0da809

    As are various individuals.
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    rjsterry wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    Ironically, the seven countries were put on the list of "most dangerous", or whatever, by Obama.

    Anyone else hear that NY Politician on Radio Four's PM Programme earlier? Words fail me.
    If you read the explanation that V68 posted up thread, this was a list compiled for different reasons. I suspect it (rather than a more logical list) was used so they could sow a bit more confusion by claiming it was Obama's idea.

    Ta for that. Knew there would be subterfuge involved.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    TheBigBean wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm defending Trump.
    It's not the same and you know it. And even if it were does one bad action legitimise another?
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,816
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm defending Trump.
    You think a blanket ban on all people of one religion from selected countries is acceptable?
    Where do you stand on his other policies? Let's say abortion.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Veronese68 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm defending Trump.
    You think a blanket ban on all people of one religion from selected countries is acceptable?
    Where do you stand on his other policies? Let's say abortion.

    Sorry missed out a key word there. I'm not defending Trump.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Am i the only one that thinks it is wrong that we sorted out our own dual nationals and stopped for cakes and medals? If Mo Farah was so affronted he would refuse to return there.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    I only agree with DT on one policy and that is his approach taken to NATO...

    If I may.

    If you only agree with one of DT's policies (the NATO one), then by deduction you disagree with the remainder of his policies. Right?

    Rick had a bit of a rant about DT in the EU thread (yes it is relevant to that) and you told him he has "out of touch leftie views".

    So which is it?

    I don't know his policy on the EU except that he was a Brexit supporter. It there a declared policy behind either? If so, I'll read up on them and maybe increase my count to 3

    He is 0 from 3 for his views on the last three major political events. He rolled all three of them together for a rant and was mostly off topic for the thread. TM is doing what she has to do as leader of this country regarding meeting the leader of the US. It was full-on a leftie rant.

    Based on his recent record, his views are out of touch with those of the country but is happy to reside here and ride on the success this country is
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm defending Trump.
    It's not the same and you know it. And even if it were does one bad action legitimise another?

    It's very similar. Both legally questionable. No it doesn't make it right. I'm NOT defending Trump. I do think if someone is going to lecture they need to be on morally better ground though.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    TheBigBean wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm NOT [edit] defending Trump.

    Its not remotely similar.... the EU cant win can they? let them in, irresponsible, repatriation and thats cruel and heartless.

    the EU has let in, housed and fed millions of refugees, they rescue from the Med 1000s every week and send 100s of millions (of euros) to camps throughout the middle east..... the US (under Obama) has done what for those fleeing death and persecution?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Some Obama bashing - his policies about Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Iran last year really weren't great.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    mamba80 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm NOT [edit] defending Trump.

    Its not remotely similar.... the EU cant win can they? let them in, irresponsible, repatriation and thats cruel and heartless.

    the EU has let in, housed and fed millions of refugees, they rescue from the Med 1000s every week and send 100s of millions (of euros) to camps throughout the middle east..... the US (under Obama) has done what for those fleeing death and persecution?

    The law doesn't work like that. When something is illegal it is illegal.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    I only agree with DT on one policy and that is his approach taken to NATO...

    If I may.

    If you only agree with one of DT's policies (the NATO one), then by deduction you disagree with the remainder of his policies. Right?

    Rick had a bit of a rant about DT in the EU thread (yes it is relevant to that) and you told him he has "out of touch leftie views".

    So which is it?

    I don't know his policy on the EU except that he was a Brexit supporter. It there a declared policy behind either? If so, I'll read up on them and maybe increase my count to 3

    He is 0 from 3 for his views on the last three major political events. He rolled all three of them together for a rant and was mostly off topic for the thread. TM is doing what she has to do as leader of this country regarding meeting the leader of the US. It was full-on a leftie rant.

    Based on his recent record, his views are out of touch with those of the country but is happy to reside here and ride on the success this country is

    You are a horrible sh1t
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/merkel-explains-geneva-refugee-convention-to-trump-in-phone-call?CMP=fb_gu

    Has to have stuff explained to him

    EU sending refugees back to Turkey though is perfectly fine.

    I'm defending Trump.
    It's not the same and you know it. And even if it were does one bad action legitimise another?

    It's very similar. Both legally questionable. No it doesn't make it right. I'm NOT defending Trump. I do think if someone is going to lecture they need to be on morally better ground though.
    One is returning some refugees to a country that they have already passed through on their way to Europe. In what way does this contravene the Geneva Refugee Convention? In contrast, Trump has not only effectively partially withdrawn from the Convention, but has also revoked visas, and other legal rights to residency, which are by definition not issued to refugees.
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    I only agree with DT on one policy and that is his approach taken to NATO...

    If I may.

    If you only agree with one of DT's policies (the NATO one), then by deduction you disagree with the remainder of his policies. Right?

    Rick had a bit of a rant about DT in the EU thread (yes it is relevant to that) and you told him he has "out of touch leftie views".

    So which is it?

    I don't know his policy on the EU except that he was a Brexit supporter. It there a declared policy behind either? If so, I'll read up on them and maybe increase my count to 3

    He is 0 from 3 for his views on the last three major political events. He rolled all three of them together for a rant and was mostly off topic for the thread. TM is doing what she has to do as leader of this country regarding meeting the leader of the US. It was full-on a leftie rant.

    Based on his recent record, his views are out of touch with those of the country but is happy to reside here and ride on the success this country is

    You are a horrible sh1t

    I recently decided to mirror your arrogant and condescending posting style. Thanks for the compliment :P
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rjsterry wrote:
    .
    One is returning some refugees to a country that they have already passed through on their way to Europe. In what way does this contravene the Geneva Refugee Convention?

    It depends whether it is done en masse, whether individuals are given the right to apply for asylum through the appropriate channels and whether Turkey is actually a safe country.

    Many, including Amnesty International, have their doubts.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    I only agree with DT on one policy and that is his approach taken to NATO...

    If I may.

    If you only agree with one of DT's policies (the NATO one), then by deduction you disagree with the remainder of his policies. Right?

    Rick had a bit of a rant about DT in the EU thread (yes it is relevant to that) and you told him he has "out of touch leftie views".

    So which is it?

    I don't know his policy on the EU except that he was a Brexit supporter. It there a declared policy behind either? If so, I'll read up on them and maybe increase my count to 3

    He is 0 from 3 for his views on the last three major political events. He rolled all three of them together for a rant and was mostly off topic for the thread. TM is doing what she has to do as leader of this country regarding meeting the leader of the US. It was full-on a leftie rant.

    Based on his recent record, his views are out of touch with those of the country but is happy to reside here and ride on the success this country is

    You are a horrible sh1t

    I recently decided to mirror your arrogant and condescending posting style. Thanks for the compliment :P

    I feel you have no idea what condescending means :wink:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Am i the only one that thinks it is wrong that we sorted out our own dual nationals and stopped for cakes and medals? If Mo Farah was so affronted he would refuse to return there.

    The underlying assumption in Brexit quite close to Trumpism. That the world is a hostile place and Britain needs to look after itself, and not be hamstrung doing so.

    Similarly, the way in which the Brexit debate descending into an assumption that everything in international politics is merely transactional follows that too.

    "Ha ha rest of the world - we got an exception for our guys - that's a competitive advantage!".
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Also is Coopster writing about me, Trump or neither?
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Am i the only one that thinks it is wrong that we sorted out our own dual nationals and stopped for cakes and medals? If Mo Farah was so affronted he would refuse to return there.
    No you're not. "Oh, that's OK then" is hardly the way to make a point of humanitarian principle.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Any reports on Trump's thoughts about what happened a few hundred miles north?
    Seems (un)surprisingly quiet.
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