Donald Trump

john80

Given the USA is not a dictatorship and is quite large it would seem that overthrowing Donald Trump in the manner which we like to do in the middle east is not likely to work. I then question all those that seemingly want to take him to task on every stupid idea he has and he has many. The smarter approach is to let him meet the queen leave with a good vibe maybe just nod and smile to all the kids trying to do dodgy deals and then relax when he has went back to his homeland.

pinno

john80 wrote:

Given the USA is not a dictatorship and is quite large it would seem that overthrowing Donald Trump in the manner which we like to do in the middle east is not likely to work. I then question all those that seemingly want to take him to task on every stupid idea he has and he has many. The smarter approach is to let him meet the queen leave with a good vibe maybe just nod and smile to all the kids trying to do dodgy deals and then relax when he has went back to his homeland.

And what constructive outcome would that illicit then?

There are so many issues in play currently. Brexit/No Brexit/Brexit with deal/Withdrawal of troops in the middle east/trade wars/The Iran situation (to which we don't agree)/Russia's continuing ambivalence etc that all affect the UK.
But Donny takes centre stage whilst all other issues become sidelines.

Anything Trumpo is involved with panders to the lowest common denominator and is a devolution.
It's important that we don;t get sucked into that mire.
At least Corbyn for all his faults* isn't being a sycophantic Tory.

*I'm not endorsing Corbyn's recent diplomatic faux pas BTW.

bianchimoon

Hi latest 'smart, stable genius' plan to charge Americans more in tax on cars, food and other items imported from Mexico if they don't stop legal immigrants going to the border is at last causing his own party to revolt
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/us/p ... e=Homepage

rick_chasey

Rick Chasey wrote:

Who on earth can see the system in the US, where coverage i terrible and public health has levelled out life expectancy yet they pay almost double what the rest of Europe does and this "this is what's best for the nation"

Ludicrous.

From this: https://www.ft.com/content/ad96b8d8-fad ... 144feab7de

kingstongraham

I haven't heard Nigel Farage complaining about the US president sticking his nose into our affairs for a couple of years now.

bompington

Rick Chasey wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Who on earth can see the system in the US, where coverage i terrible and public health has levelled out life expectancy yet they pay almost double what the rest of Europe does and this "this is what's best for the nation"

Ludicrous.

From this: https://www.ft.com/content/ad96b8d8-fad ... 144feab7de

So let me get this right, a trade deal with the US would force the NHS to pay US firms more to buy the drugs that currently we get cheaper :? :?:

pinno

bompington wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Who on earth can see the system in the US, where coverage i terrible and public health has levelled out life expectancy yet they pay almost double what the rest of Europe does and this "this is what's best for the nation"

Ludicrous.

From this: https://www.ft.com/content/ad96b8d8-fad ... 144feab7de

So let me get this right, a trade deal with the US would force the NHS to pay US firms more to buy the drugs that currently we get cheaper :? :?:

Well yes, where have you been?
It's also about patents.

US drug companies force many south American and 3rd world countries to buy patented (non-generic) drugs, often when there is a trade agreement between the two countries. It's part of the deal.
This directly leads to deaths.

My post from another thread:

The Colombians signed up to a trade deal with the US and opened itself up to externally lead investment. The French took over the water and electricity supply and the result was that the very poorest no longer got electricity or clean water because they could not afford it. many got sick. many died.
One of the clauses of this investment was that the Colombians signed up to an agreement to buy drugs from US but they could no longer sell generic drugs. Channel 4 covered this story and a story about a Colombian family who's son needed Fluconazole (a drug which I was on funnily enough for a number of years) but since the trade agreement, the Fluconazole was now costing $27 for a week course. Not being well off, they crossed the border on a monthly basis to buy the drug in Venezuela where it was a matter of pence for a week course. The border guards turned a blind eye to this illegal activity and to thousands doing the same. The boy was 7 years old. The Americans put pressure on the Colombian government because it was putting the brakes on the anticipated profits from the trade deal. The Columbines clamped down on this cross border activity and the family could not afford the drug and the boy died.

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Another trade deal between the Cote D'Ivoire and Ghana, where they secured a trade deal with the US, one of the stipulations was that the US could export rice. That area of West Africa were starting to grow rice as an alternative to other starches - wheat, potato and Maize.
The trade deal obliterated the internal rice market. Uncle Ben - lovely guy.
Next up GM maize was sold the West Africans in yet another trade agreement. It yielded bumper crops. 1/3rd was eaten. 1/3rd was sold and the other 3rd was for next years crop. Except there wasn't any next crop as it is hybrid. Yields nothing and now many farmers are locked into an eternal loop of re-purchasing GM seed.

30 years on, Tiananmen square tank protester said yesterday that the voices in China are being suppressed, the memory of the Tiananmen square is being eroded and it's all being lost in trade and commerce.

The poisoned Ivy of global capitalism pervades everything, whilst providing nests and shelter for the few and here we are about to leave a huge trading block with protection for human rights, freedom of movement, trade and put up a big sign saying 'UK - For Sale'... 'All reasonable offers accepted' and are forced to hedge our bets and suck up to Trump.

kingstongraham

Ha - just heard people who fact check Trump being like people who are getting hit by a bully fact checking the claim "you are hitting yourself in the face". He doesn't care about being truthful.

tangled_metal

TheBigBean wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Not a fan of Sadiq Khan, Goo?

Nope. And it's not because of what you or others may think.

What's wrong with him?

London mayor is basically head of transport. I'm unimpressed with the bus changes.

London buses have their issues but they are a different world from anywhere outside the capital.

#London bubble

The mayor of London does typically focus on London primarily.

That was a comment on the post above. I didn't think people would need it explaining that London prices for transportation is significantly better than many parts of the world. People are complaining about prices and service that rest of UK probably won't see.

#stopcomplaininglondon

john80

Pinno wrote:

john80 wrote:

Given the USA is not a dictatorship and is quite large it would seem that overthrowing Donald Trump in the manner which we like to do in the middle east is not likely to work. I then question all those that seemingly want to take him to task on every stupid idea he has and he has many. The smarter approach is to let him meet the queen leave with a good vibe maybe just nod and smile to all the kids trying to do dodgy deals and then relax when he has went back to his homeland.

And what constructive outcome would that illicit then?

There are so many issues in play currently. Brexit/No Brexit/Brexit with deal/Withdrawal of troops in the middle east/trade wars/The Iran situation (to which we don't agree)/Russia's continuing ambivalence etc that all affect the UK.
But Donny takes centre stage whilst all other issues become sidelines.

Anything Trumpo is involved with panders to the lowest common denominator and is a devolution.
It's important that we don;t get sucked into that mire.
At least Corbyn for all his faults* isn't being a sycophantic Tory.

*I'm not endorsing Corbyn's recent diplomatic faux pas BTW.

You appear to be broadly agreeing with me but asking what we should do differently. You can't deal with trump other than to personally hand him cash in the form of bribes through his various dodgy enterprises as he is only in life for himself. So if you don't want to cross that line then the answer is to wait till a better president is in power which may not be too long. If we take Brexit first you have to leave otherwise we won't be negotiating anything so even discussing it in public seems to be a negative discussion. On the issue of troop deployment and foreign wars the answer is simply to follow your own foreign policy and then try to put that across as the best course of action to those you have influence over. In the case of America they are a major superpower so only a fool thinks we have serious clout to guide their foreign policy in the same way we can't force Russia or China to do something they are hell bent on pursuing.

kingstongraham

john80 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

john80 wrote:

Given the USA is not a dictatorship and is quite large it would seem that overthrowing Donald Trump in the manner which we like to do in the middle east is not likely to work. I then question all those that seemingly want to take him to task on every stupid idea he has and he has many. The smarter approach is to let him meet the queen leave with a good vibe maybe just nod and smile to all the kids trying to do dodgy deals and then relax when he has went back to his homeland.

And what constructive outcome would that illicit then?

There are so many issues in play currently. Brexit/No Brexit/Brexit with deal/Withdrawal of troops in the middle east/trade wars/The Iran situation (to which we don't agree)/Russia's continuing ambivalence etc that all affect the UK.
But Donny takes centre stage whilst all other issues become sidelines.

Anything Trumpo is involved with panders to the lowest common denominator and is a devolution.
It's important that we don;t get sucked into that mire.
At least Corbyn for all his faults* isn't being a sycophantic Tory.

*I'm not endorsing Corbyn's recent diplomatic faux pas BTW.

You appear to be broadly agreeing with me but asking what we should do differently. You can't deal with trump other than to personally hand him cash in the form of bribes through his various dodgy enterprises as he is only in life for himself. So if you don't want to cross that line then the answer is to wait till a better president is in power which may not be too long. If we take Brexit first you have to leave otherwise we won't be negotiating anything so even discussing it in public seems to be a negative discussion. On the issue of troop deployment and foreign wars the answer is simply to follow your own foreign policy and then try to put that across as the best course of action to those you have influence over. In the case of America they are a major superpower so only a fool thinks we have serious clout to guide their foreign policy in the same way we can't force Russia or China to do something they are hell bent on pursuing.

Why are we a nuclear power?

TheBigBean

Tangled Metal wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Not a fan of Sadiq Khan, Goo?

Nope. And it's not because of what you or others may think.

What's wrong with him?

London mayor is basically head of transport. I'm unimpressed with the bus changes.

London buses have their issues but they are a different world from anywhere outside the capital.

#London bubble

The mayor of London does typically focus on London primarily.

That was a comment on the post above. I didn't think people would need it explaining that London prices for transportation is significantly better than many parts of the world. People are complaining about prices and service that rest of UK probably won't see.

#stopcomplaininglondon

That's just whataboutism. Khan is elected and is accountable to his electorate. Transport is one of the main voting issues, and the fact it is better than the rural Cumbrian service is irrelevant. In the same way, that Trump is no Stalin is also not relevant.

pblakeney

TheBigBean wrote:

That's just whataboutism. Khan is elected and is accountable to his electorate. Transport is one of the main voting issues, and the fact it is better than the rural Cumbrian service is irrelevant. In the same way, that Trump is no Stalin is also not relevant.

The same could said of Khan and London in this thread.
#startanotherthread

tangled_metal

Personally I was thinking of a recent newspaper report (I think linked to on this forum) on rail and/or bus prices of equivalent type / length across the UK. London and surrounding areas had cheaper public transport for equivalent routes. I believe they quoted routes in Bristol and Cambridge area but I can't exactly remember (I didn't pay that much attention because they were reporting southern city routes as the higher cost per mile travelled price compared to London. Nothing mentioned north of Birmingham or rural so rural Cumbria is irrelevant.

Lets face it you're coming across as whinging over London transport system because you oppose the labour London mayor. Just my opinion and you'll probably tag it as whataboutery or some other tag that springs to mind.

At least SK has been consistent in his opposition to Trump. A worthwhile activity getting under Trump's skin. Trump definitely seems to react to him. If only more UK politicians did that...

pinno

Tangled Metal wrote:

At least SK has been consistent in his opposition to Trump. A worthwhile activity getting under Trump's skin. Trump definitely seems to react to him. If only more UK politicians did that...

Precisely. Jeremy C*nt springs to mind. He could cite the answers he gave to the questions raised about Trump's visit as diplomacy, I think he's spineless along with the rest of the cabinet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOcmEvQl1o

But the Tory government are in a corner by their own volition.

robert88

Phew! Let's hope he never comes back.

pblakeney

Comparing the Irish border issues to the Mexican border and that wall. Eh, no. The desire is the complete opposite. Complete buffoon, to put it politely.

mr_goo

Robert88 wrote:

Phew! Let's hope he never comes back.

Hope he comes back soon. If only to irritate the snowflakes that took to the streets.

He's not everyone's cuppa, especially me, but there's no getting away from fact that he's popular in much of the USA. He's done what he promised, which is more than any PM has done in UK.

I'd rather him than that anti Semitic 5hit Corbyn which most of the demonstrators in London were siding with. How does that equate? Demonstrate against a retrograde leader for his stance against immigration and 'human rights' , yet listen with intent and applaud someone who sympathises with terrorist organisations and who is clearly anti Semitic.

All mad.

Matthewfalle

Why are we a nuclear power?[/quote]

are we though? really?

#arewe?

Matthewfalle

Mr Goo wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Phew! Let's hope he never comes back.

Hope he comes back soon. If only to irritate the snowflakes that took to the streets.

He's not everyone's cuppa, especially me, but there's no getting away from fact that he's popular in much of the USA. He's done what he promised, which is more than any PM has done in UK.

I'd rather him than that anti Semitic 5hit Corbyn which most of the demonstrators in London were siding with. How does that equate? Demonstrate against a retrograde leader for his stance against immigration and 'human rights' , yet listen with intent and applaud someone who sympathises with terrorist organisations and who is clearly anti Semitic.

All mad.

you still haven't answered you you don't like Khan.

#unresolved

rick_chasey

Mr Goo wrote:

He's done what he promised,

Mate, whatever crack you're on you need to dial it down.

Matthewfalle

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

He's done what he promised,

Mate, whatever crack you're on you need to dial it down.

nah - its too late for that. He's taken the Kool Aid all the way...............

#madasaboxoffrogs

Pross

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

He's done what he promised,

Mate, whatever crack you're on you need to dial it down.

Can't you remember his campaign pledge to make the office of President of the USA a laughing stock and to get himself, his family and his entourage investigated and in some cases jailed for his actions?

Most achieving President ever and that's Fox News not fake news!

rick_chasey

What promises has he delivered on?

john80

Rick Chasey wrote:

What promises has he delivered on?

He has said a lot of nonsense on twitter. Was that in his campaign promise list. Sorry that is all I have got.

john80

KingstonGraham wrote:

john80 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

john80 wrote:

Given the USA is not a dictatorship and is quite large it would seem that overthrowing Donald Trump in the manner which we like to do in the middle east is not likely to work. I then question all those that seemingly want to take him to task on every stupid idea he has and he has many. The smarter approach is to let him meet the queen leave with a good vibe maybe just nod and smile to all the kids trying to do dodgy deals and then relax when he has went back to his homeland.

And what constructive outcome would that illicit then?

There are so many issues in play currently. Brexit/No Brexit/Brexit with deal/Withdrawal of troops in the middle east/trade wars/The Iran situation (to which we don't agree)/Russia's continuing ambivalence etc that all affect the UK.
But Donny takes centre stage whilst all other issues become sidelines.

Anything Trumpo is involved with panders to the lowest common denominator and is a devolution.
It's important that we don;t get sucked into that mire.
At least Corbyn for all his faults* isn't being a sycophantic Tory.

*I'm not endorsing Corbyn's recent diplomatic faux pas BTW.

You appear to be broadly agreeing with me but asking what we should do differently. You can't deal with trump other than to personally hand him cash in the form of bribes through his various dodgy enterprises as he is only in life for himself. So if you don't want to cross that line then the answer is to wait till a better president is in power which may not be too long. If we take Brexit first you have to leave otherwise we won't be negotiating anything so even discussing it in public seems to be a negative discussion. On the issue of troop deployment and foreign wars the answer is simply to follow your own foreign policy and then try to put that across as the best course of action to those you have influence over. In the case of America they are a major superpower so only a fool thinks we have serious clout to guide their foreign policy in the same way we can't force Russia or China to do something they are hell bent on pursuing.

Why are we a nuclear power?

Because in the 50's and 60's our government at the time thought it was a good idea. Following governments also thought it was a good idea. Given I clean up a lot of this mess and this costs money I don't know definitively whether it was better to create the weapons and then use that power and influence to get us to where we are today but with the costs of now decommissioning or whether we should not have bothered. I am not psychic I am afraid.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

What promises has he delivered on?

Supreme Court appointments? Can't remember if he promised this but clearly something his supporters have cheered. Some would probably think it was worth it for that alone.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

What promises has he delivered on?

Supreme Court appointments?

I didn't realise he campaigned on that.

Matthewfalle

Rick Chasey wrote:

What promises has he delivered on?

racism
sexism
lying
stripping the eduxation system
destroying the future economy
trade wars
lining his fascist friends pockets
being a khunt


he did campaign on those didn't he?

#promisesmadepromiseskept

tangled_metal

Apparently part of the wall was built. Well, existing second were repaired and that was already budgeted for by the previous administration.

Actually iirc they built 3 or 4 sections of the wall as a test to find out what competing designs worked out best. There's a desert area base down there with 4 wall sections standing like modern day standing stones, apart from anything else.

So if they count he's fulfilled an ickle, little bit of the wall.