Donald Trump

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

https://twitter.com/RepWilson/status/920643495953649665

Just scrolled down through that thread. Like sticking your head in a sewer.

pblakeney

bianchimoon wrote:

Gotta hand it to tRump tho, he has just beaten ISIS single handedly...

I totally changed rules of engagement. I totally changed our military, I totally changed the attitudes of the military and they have done a fantastic job," Trump said on "The Chris Plante Show." "ISIS is now giving up, they are giving up, there are raising their hands, they are walking off. Nobody has ever seen that before."
When Plante asked why that hadn't happened before, Trump took the bait.
"Because you didn't have Trump as your president," he said. "It was a big difference, there was a big, big difference if you look at the military now

That is going to bite his ass in the future.
A big bite, a huge bite, an enormous bite, a Trump ego sized bite.

bendertherobot

Well, for a start, there doesn't seem to be a need for a travel ban now.

Pross

I think I've asked this before but has he actually managed to get a single piece of his promised policy approved yet? A Republican president with a Republican senate and house should be able to get an easy ride but all we ever see is Tweets and sound bites. It feels like the US is just being governed around the president while he rants and showboats. The Republicans must be kicking themselves for allowing themselves to nominate him, with a real politician as president they could have been getting all sorts of (relatively) moderate right wing policy approved.

PhilipPirrip

Plenty of executive orders but no policy approved to date which is why he's now turned to decertifying policies to force senators' hands or playing the promise of one policy off against another - give him the wall and he'll let DACA continue. Even tax reform, which should be a dead cert as it favours the wealthy, is unravelling.

He's certainly hasn't proved to be the great deal maker he claimed to be.

Roll on the mid-terms and let's see where the majority will lay.

laurentian

Anyone see Dispatches last night on Channel 4?

Worth a watch if you need any further proof of this man's skullduggery, dishonesty, sociopathy and ineptitude

john80

At the end of his term if he gets there he will be the most unpopular and isolated president ever. The number of ridiculous statements he has made to date makes any interview with him cringe worthy as he attempts to either lie or bulldozer over his actions. He does not even seem to understand that in public office people take record of your statements. This is a level o scrutiny he has never experienced whereas prior he was able to pay his way out of trouble or obfuscate the financially weaker party.

mfin

john80 wrote:

At the end of his term if he gets there he will be the most unpopular and isolated president ever. The number of ridiculous statements he has made to date makes any interview with him cringe worthy as he attempts to either lie or bulldozer over his actions. He does not even seem to understand that in public office people take record of your statements. This is a level o scrutiny he has never experienced whereas prior he was able to pay his way out of trouble or obfuscate the financially weaker party.

Don't bank on that. It could well be his supporters see him as hard done by and held back by the government around him. In fact, this is what he is painting the picture of. The only way his supporters might see things differently is if he is removed from office, then the bulk will likely see that as unfair and a complete injustice.

For people who don't support him, his legacy will be like you say, with any removal from office adding to that.

For future generations who won't remember all these actions for real, that's where he will be remembered for all the kinds of things you say, once there are no supporters in the equation, he will be seen for what he is, what he's said, and what he's done.

surrey_commuter

mfin wrote:

john80 wrote:

At the end of his term if he gets there he will be the most unpopular and isolated president ever. The number of ridiculous statements he has made to date makes any interview with him cringe worthy as he attempts to either lie or bulldozer over his actions. He does not even seem to understand that in public office people take record of your statements. This is a level o scrutiny he has never experienced whereas prior he was able to pay his way out of trouble or obfuscate the financially weaker party.

Don't bank on that. It could well be his supporters see him as hard done by and held back by the government around him. In fact, this is what he is painting the picture of. The only way his supporters might see things differently is if he is removed from office, then the bulk will likely see that as unfair and a complete injustice.

For people who don't support him, his legacy will be like you say, with any removal from office adding to that.

For future generations who won't remember all these actions for real, that's where he will be remembered for all the kinds of things you say, once there are no supporters in the equation, he will be seen for what he is, what he's said, and what he's done.

why won't the future offspring of his supporters continue to eulogise him?

Look at the perception of Thatcher amongst some people who were not born when she left office

bendertherobot

He's lost a lot of money this year, depending on how he goes, he may see his empire start to crumble

bendertherobot

The story behind the 'he knew what he signed up for' is far far bigger than Trump's lack of a moral compass. US operating in shady conditions, no back up, improper equipment, French not permitted to fire, soldiers (dead and alive) picked up by 'contractor' and the soldier the subject of the furore allegedly left behind on the battlefield, alive, because no head count carried out.

PhilipPirrip

Apparently the soldiers were advised there was no threat. Does indeed look like a complete fudge up.

Just as with Trump claiming the win in Raqqa was all down to him so, as Commander in Chief, he has to take ownership of this. Will he? not a chance.

bendertherobot

PhilipPirrip wrote:

Apparently the soldiers were advised there was no threat. Does indeed look like a complete fudge up.

Just as with Trump claiming the win in Raqqa was all down to him so, as Commander in Chief, he has to take ownership of this. Will he? not a chance.

And that's just for a start. The more 'out there' stories involve this small US force assisting a larger Russian occupying force at the behest of Putin. Not sure I buy that, much too difficult to keep secret.

surrey_commuter

bendertherobot wrote:

The story behind the 'he knew what he signed up for' is far far bigger than Trump's lack of a moral compass. US operating in shady conditions, no back up, improper equipment, French not permitted to fire, soldiers (dead and alive) picked up by 'contractor' and the soldier the subject of the furore allegedly left behind on the battlefield, alive, because no head count carried out.

links please

bendertherobot

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The story behind the 'he knew what he signed up for' is far far bigger than Trump's lack of a moral compass. US operating in shady conditions, no back up, improper equipment, French not permitted to fire, soldiers (dead and alive) picked up by 'contractor' and the soldier the subject of the furore allegedly left behind on the battlefield, alive, because no head count carried out.

links please

Twitter, just have a search for Niger Russia

bendertherobot

He's picked up on our crime stats increase too. Apparently the 13% is down to islamic terror.

Which, is evidence for one of two things:

1. Our crime rates were pretty low, so the 13% increase due to the recent attacks still leaves us with virtually no crime; or

2. Islam is now responsible for increasing road traffic offences, close passes on cyclists, assaults in pubs on Friday nights, sexual assaults in the workplace and thefts of chicken from Lidl.

surrey_commuter

bendertherobot wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The story behind the 'he knew what he signed up for' is far far bigger than Trump's lack of a moral compass. US operating in shady conditions, no back up, improper equipment, French not permitted to fire, soldiers (dead and alive) picked up by 'contractor' and the soldier the subject of the furore allegedly left behind on the battlefield, alive, because no head count carried out.

links please

Twitter, just have a search for Niger Russia

not a fan of Twitter - but yes some interesting conspiracy theories out there. Most would be more of a problem for Obama than Trump (unless all started in last 9 months)

bendertherobot

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The story behind the 'he knew what he signed up for' is far far bigger than Trump's lack of a moral compass. US operating in shady conditions, no back up, improper equipment, French not permitted to fire, soldiers (dead and alive) picked up by 'contractor' and the soldier the subject of the furore allegedly left behind on the battlefield, alive, because no head count carried out.

links please

Twitter, just have a search for Niger Russia

not a fan of Twitter - but yes some interesting conspiracy theories out there. Most would be more of a problem for Obama than Trump (unless all started in last 9 months)

Not the Uranium ones, I hope?

pinno

bendertherobot wrote:

He's picked up on our crime stats increase too. Apparently the 13% is down to islamic terror.

Which, is evidence for one of two things:

1. Our crime rates were pretty low, so the 13% increase due to the recent attacks still leaves us with virtually no crime; or

2. Islam is now responsible for increasing road traffic offences, close passes on cyclists, assaults in pubs on Friday nights, sexual assaults in the workplace and thefts of chicken from Lidl.

Now I know why the damn Chicken isle is always empty.

rjsterry

Pinno wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

He's picked up on our crime stats increase too. Apparently the 13% is down to islamic terror.

Which, is evidence for one of two things:

1. Our crime rates were pretty low, so the 13% increase due to the recent attacks still leaves us with virtually no crime; or

2. Islam is now responsible for increasing road traffic offences, close passes on cyclists, assaults in pubs on Friday nights, sexual assaults in the workplace and thefts of chicken from Lidl.

Now I know why the damn Chicken isle is always empty.

Is that off the North Sea coast?

john80

rjsterry wrote:

Pinno wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

He's picked up on our crime stats increase too. Apparently the 13% is down to islamic terror.

Which, is evidence for one of two things:

1. Our crime rates were pretty low, so the 13% increase due to the recent attacks still leaves us with virtually no crime; or

2. Islam is now responsible for increasing road traffic offences, close passes on cyclists, assaults in pubs on Friday nights, sexual assaults in the workplace and thefts of chicken from Lidl.

Now I know why the damn Chicken isle is always empty.

Is that off the North Sea coast?

john80

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Pinno wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

He's picked up on our crime stats increase too. Apparently the 13% is down to islamic terror.

Which, is evidence for one of two things:

1. Our crime rates were pretty low, so the 13% increase due to the recent attacks still leaves us with virtually no crime; or

2. Islam is now responsible for increasing road traffic offences, close passes on cyclists, assaults in pubs on Friday nights, sexual assaults in the workplace and thefts of chicken from Lidl.

Now I know why the damn Chicken isle is always empty.

Is that off the North Sea coast?

Nah it's across from goat island.

PhilipPirrip

Jeez. So desperate is Trump in defending his version of events and not admit he subsequently lied re; the phonecall he's now dragged Eric and his wife (or is it full time carer?) Lara into the story to perpetuate his lies.

After sending out John Kelly to peddle hypocrisy, falsehoods and lies amid genuine sentiment yesterday, Eric and Lara were wheeled out on Fox this morning. Lara, who doesn't work for the administration and doesn't have security clearance, apparently saw a transcript of what Kelly called 'a sacred conversation'.

The problem for Lara is, on top of alleging committing a security breach, the Huckster later admitted there was no transcript of the call and as we already know Trump had already lied about there being a form of indefatiguable proof of what he said.

Trump is running out of family members to wheel out to peddle his lies and defend him on this but we know he won't give up. Any bets on who he'll send out next? Melania, real or body double? Ivanka? Don Jr? Bannon as an outside bet?

orraloon

We want Ivana. We want Ivana. Actually, on reflection, I'll pass on that.

bianchimoon

Trump on allegedly forgetting soldiers name in that call.

"Just so you understand, they put a chart in front of me: Says La David Johnson. So, I call right from the beginning, there's no hesitation."
As well as having the document in front of me I have one of the great memories of all time.

and his Twatter feed yesterday

The meeting with Republican Senators yesterday, outside of Flake and Corker, was a love fest with standing ovations and great ideas for USA!

I have one of the great memories of all time, but just to be sure they put a board in front of me in case i forgot his name during a 2 min phone call
A love fest with senators..Standing O's... China, North Korea?

lostboysaint

"The greatest businessman in the world"*

http://gawker.com/a-complete-list-of-donald-trump-s-business-disasters-1764151188

* good job Granddaddy and Daddy were a little bit better and left such a good income stream from THEIR efforts - gained at the expense of anyone of race or certain religions - being such fine citizens themselves.

bendertherobot

Charges laid, first arrests coming....

pinno

bendertherobot wrote:

Charges laid, first arrests coming....

Is this where the Trump house of cards starts falling?

bendertherobot

One can only hope. Smart money on Manafort first?

robert88

Hollywood? Who needs it?