[POLL] Chain Lube! What's Your Go-To?
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I wear chains out roughly every 4 months on the MTB. That is accelerated with a sticky lube. Chains are £30. Cassettes are £200. Pays to preserve them a bit. YMMV.
Not from Clas Ohlson there not. my last one was about 10 quid, I only paid 60 quid for my bike, if I was having to pay £200 for a cassette Id buy a new bike and keep the 140 quid difference.
But anyway I got a quite nice set of wheels with a brand new cassette for £40 quid, So I'm sorted for another few years0 -
Some of you are a bit obsessive to be honest, getting partisan on the somewhat mundane issue of chain lube.And the trouble with 3:1 is that it attracts all sorts of shoot and turns everything black and into a lovely grinding paste. Not specific to 3:1, Finish Line XC and Pedro's Syn Lube are just as bad!
Squirt or White Lightning Epic for me.
life is full of inportant decisions to be made, and which lubricant to spray on your chain isnt one of them ?
my logic such as I have even considered the issue, 3.1 oil cheap, chains cheap, chain wears out every year or so, buy new chain. I cant really work up a lot more interest than that over saving myself a tenner for chain
A well lubed chain is simply nicer to pedal. Nothing obsessive about it. It just makes for a better ride.
To be truthful it does sound a little obsessive. You cant possibly have more fun on your rides than I do. So what do you get for the extra money ?0 -
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I think it pretty much comes down to how serious you are. How much you ride and what terrain you ride. A well lubricated chain changes gears more reliably. There are many situations on a mountain bike where a botched gear change results in a painful crash. Stuff like 3in1 oil builds up gunk on your chain that interferes with good gear changes.
Some of you are a bit obsessive to be honest, getting partisan on the somewhat mundane issue of chain lube.And the trouble with 3:1 is that it attracts all sorts of shoot and turns everything black and into a lovely grinding paste. Not specific to 3:1, Finish Line XC and Pedro's Syn Lube are just as bad!
Squirt or White Lightning Epic for me.
life is full of inportant decisions to be made, and which lubricant to spray on your chain isnt one of them ?
my logic such as I have even considered the issue, 3.1 oil cheap, chains cheap, chain wears out every year or so, buy new chain. I cant really work up a lot more interest than that over saving myself a tenner for chain
A well lubed chain is simply nicer to pedal. Nothing obsessive about it. It just makes for a better ride.
To be truthful it does sound a little obsessive. You cant possibly have more fun on your rides than I do. So what do you get for the extra money ?
That's not my experience ! have you used 3.1 and had a crash as a result of the all edged gunk on the chain or are you just speculating that this must have occurred at some time in the history of mountain biking ?
I have been using this esteemed product since I got for first bike for Xmas in 1965 Of the not inconsiderable number of crashes I have had in the last 50 years I cant blame any of them on the chain lube0 -
What a bizarre thing to write.[/quote]
Do you think so ? I do MTBing for one reason only, I enjoy it I have an enormous amount of fun.I cant for the life of me see it being substantially more fun with a more expensive lube. In fact I suspect it will be exactly the same amount of fun0 -
The reason I stopped using oil based chain lube and went to a dry lube was because of the gunk build up causing bad gear changes. Bad gear changes can be painful and they can damage your bike. Chain suck on the front and slow changes on the back have both resulted in broken chains and broken rear mechs within the group I ride with.
I think you and your mates should stop changing gear under power, rather than besmirch the good name of 3.10 -
I'm not convinced Brian is real.
With bearings that should last a million miles, and the peculiar comments on here I don't think anyone is that strange/daft.0 -
I do enjoy his comments though.. make for entertainment! one day he will post something serious in the crudcatcher and the fun will begin!!0
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Sometimes you have no choice.The reason I stopped using oil based chain lube and went to a dry lube was because of the gunk build up causing bad gear changes. Bad gear changes can be painful and they can damage your bike. Chain suck on the front and slow changes on the back have both resulted in broken chains and broken rear mechs within the group I ride with.
I think you and your mates should stop changing gear under power, rather than besmirch the good name of 3.1
I know that, but if you pick the wrong gear, go for an ''emergency change and end up in a heap. that's your own fault. You really shouldn't be blaming your chain lube0 -
I'm not convinced Brian is real.
With bearings that should last a million miles, and the peculiar comments on here I don't think anyone is that strange/daft.
I'm real enough mate, Unconventional maybe, but real. I will post my bikes up in the ''your bike section'' when I can borrow a camera off someone0 -
Borrow a camera? Who doesn't have a camera? Isn't there one on your phone? Boots used to do a good service putting your 35mm photos onto a disc if that is any use to you?brianbee wrote:Do you think so ? I do MTBing for one reason only, I enjoy it I have an enormous amount of fun.I cant for the life of me see it being substantially more fun with a more expensive lube. In fact I suspect it will be exactly the same amount of fun
Fun cannot be measured as everyone's experience of joy is subjective and personal. The way in which endorphins and adrenaline react with the body and are produced mean that no two people get the same degree of enjoyment out of the same ride. Indeed even the concept of joy is inherently subjective - a film or joke one person finds laugh out loud, milk out the nose funny might only raise a smile in another person.
I love riding my bike but I also enjoy the challenges riding presents and pushing my fitness and ability. So if I ride 50k on flatter less technical terrain I probably have less fun than on a 10k ride up and down a mountain. But I have fun on both rides.
The lube I use has a minor impact on the fun in the sense that a silent, faultless performing drivetrain is satisfying and does not intrude upon my ride. However, as you mention you ride a 60 quid bike and one of my tyres cost more than your bike, my own assessment of how well my bike is performing and I am performing may also be different.
Now I use Finish Line wet lube for my bike. I don't lube it too often, more when its wet weather. I have always been told not to use 3 in 1 - including as kids, my dad always told me not to put it on my bike chain. And having seen the mess it makes to peoples chains I know why.
Oh and by the way - Clas Ohlson is not a bike shop. Its a big chain bleed the life out of the little guy Swedish monster pandering to the bulk buy cheap disposable crap crowd - it's everything wrong with society in a shop.Closet jockey wheel pimp whore.0 -
I've been on a bit of a lube journey over the years, starting with wet and oily type lubes, switching to a dry PTFE lube for the recumbent (you really don't want to deep clean an oily chain 2½ times as long as an MTB chain), with a detour into the old hand-operated Scottoiler and "Active Fluid" (actually pretty good) for my old Trek.
I tried Squirt as so many on here liked it and I too find it works very well.Viscount Grand Touring - in bits
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A well lubed chain is simply nicer to pedal. Nothing obsessive about it. It just makes for a better ride.
To be truthful it does sound a little obsessive. You cant possibly have more fun on your rides than I do. So what do you get for the extra money ?
What part of "A well lubed chain is simply nicer to pedal. Nothing obsessive about it. It just makes for a better ride." do you not understand?All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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I'm not convinced Brian is real.
With bearings that should last a million miles, and the peculiar comments on here I don't think anyone is that strange/daft.
I'm real enough mate, Unconventional maybe, but real. I will post my bikes up in the ''your bike section'' when I can borrow a camera off someone
I'm not your mate! Do you need to borrow a word processor to post as well?0 -
I use 5 wt fork oil diluted with GT85.0
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Borrow a camera? Who doesn't have a camera? Isn't there one on your phone? Boots used to do a good service putting your 35mm photos onto a disc if that is any use to you?brianbee wrote:Do you think so ? I do MTBing for one reason only, I enjoy it I have an enormous amount of fun.I cant for the life of me see it being substantially more fun with a more expensive lube. In fact I suspect it will be exactly the same amount of fun
Fun cannot be measured as everyone's experience of joy is subjective and personal. The way in which endorphins and adrenaline react with the body and are produced mean that no two people get the same degree of enjoyment out of the same ride. Indeed even the concept of joy is inherently subjective - a film or joke one person finds laugh out loud, milk out the nose funny might only raise a smile in another person.
I love riding my bike but I also enjoy the challenges riding presents and pushing my fitness and ability. So if I ride 50k on flatter less technical terrain I probably have less fun than on a 10k ride up and down a mountain. But I have fun on both rides.
The lube I use has a minor impact on the fun in the sense that a silent, faultless performing drivetrain is satisfying and does not intrude upon my ride. However, as you mention you ride a 60 quid bike and one of my tyres cost more than your bike, my own assessment of how well my bike is performing and I am performing may also be different.
Now I use Finish Line wet lube for my bike. I don't lube it too often, more when its wet weather. I have always been told not to use 3 in 1 - including as kids, my dad always told me not to put it on my bike chain. And having seen the mess it makes to peoples chains I know why.
Oh and by the way - Clas Ohlson is not a bike shop. Its a big chain bleed the life out of the little guy Swedish monster pandering to the bulk buy cheap disposable crap crowd - it's everything wrong with society in a shop.
There are a lot of philosophical points there, I will try to pick a few off
Firstly, NO, no camera and no mobile phone. I used to have a phone, but when I retired( early) I decided that I wanted to return to the care free days of my youth, where I could go out for the day and no one could reach me to give me hassle, bad news or recover my PPI. So I threw it in the bin, I have never once regretted the decision. Now the only stress is to family and friends who are trying to contact me, non at all to myself. Some times they try and give me a moby to make their life easier, but I politely refuse
And no camera. I have never had a use for a camera in my whole life, If I go on holiday its with someone who owns a camera. If I go to a party someone has a camera. I cant really justify buying one to to take 3 photos of my bike/. Il wait to my mate comes round with his
Yes of course you can measure enjoyment. You ask people to rate from 1-10 how much they enjoyed there Sunday ride. If the answer is 10, then its fair to say the outing couldn't have been improved upon. My rides score 8 in the summer , mostly because of the annoying people I encounter and 10 in the winter. Its safe to say that a more expensive lub wont clear the trail of pillocks, so summer or winter wont increase my enjoyment
Tha'ts a mite disparaging about my bike. its a very nice bike. It WAS a Carara vulcan. when I paid 60 quid for it last April. From 2007 or so ? in as new condign with one original tyre still in place. Ive since put on some light(er) wheels and lightweight tyres and some rockshock Toras. after selling of the surplus stuff the bike now stands me at 80 quid. I will, as cheap stuff turns up, up grade it. I was going to buy a set of avid brakes for 20 quid for it , but decided that having quite poor cable discs increased my sense of achievement in getting down in one piece (any one could do it with good brakes) so didn't bother
Irrespective what you think of C/O they do( did ?) sell quite good chains for 10 quid. As to there damaging effect on society. There are no worse than Decathlon Halfords Go out doors, etc
and finally I have a faultless, silent chain as well, So if that's the only advantage you can claim. It isn't really an advantage at all
Did your dad not tell you to keep away from loose women ? did you take notice of that as well ?0 -
Basically no one will ever persuade you that 3 in 1 isn't the dogs testes right?Closet jockey wheel pimp whore.0
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Because it's made of angel's tears.I don't do smileys.
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and finally I have a faultless, silent chain as well, So if that's the only advantage you can claim. It isn't really an advantage at all
And yet, having tried a number of different lubes I can say for sure that Squirt makes my chain run smoother so it makes my bike nicer to ride, plus it's much less faff to use as you don't have to degrease between uses, just slap more on as needed. Clearly you're driven by parsimony and thrift so your answer will always be, "I can get xyz for half the price so what's the point?". There'll be no convincing you that, sometimes, somethings are worth a little extra.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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and finally I have a faultless, silent chain as well, So if that's the only advantage you can claim. It isn't really an advantage at all
And yet, having tried a number of different lubes I can say for sure that Squirt makes my chain run smoother so it makes my bike nicer to ride, plus it's much less faff to use as you don't have to degrease between uses, just slap more on as needed. Clearly you're driven by parsimony and thrift so your answer will always be, "I can get xyz for half the price so what's the point?". There'll be no convincing you that, sometimes, somethings are worth a little extra.
You degrease as well ! oooh. I just mentioned my use of 3.1. It was others who responded by saying it was made from the devils spit and would rot your chain in hours, ruin you ridding ability and cause you to to have painful crashes. Which I think is a little over the top ?
There is clearly a placebo effect with these expensive lubes, Where you believe it makes you a better rider so it does. Its apparently the same with fake Viagra0 -
You can use extra virgin olive oil if you want. Just be ready to clean often. Very often.0
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You degrease as well ! oooh.
There is clearly a placebo effect with these expensive lubes, Where you believe it makes you a better rider so it does. Its apparently the same with fake Viagra
Ah, that must be it, placebo effect. Silly me.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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You degrease as well ! oooh.
There is clearly a placebo effect with these expensive lubes, Where you believe it makes you a better rider so it does. Its apparently the same with fake Viagra
Ah, that must be it, placebo effect. Silly me.
well yea, that's how snake oil works !0 -
I am not sure anyone has said that different lubes make you a better rider. I think they have said they make their drive trains function better, last longer, shift more smoothly, remain cleaner, dont attract dirt, etc.
There is no placebo effect here - all of these things are fact. You chose not to believe them but they are facts.Closet jockey wheel pimp whore.0 -
You degrease as well ! oooh.
There is clearly a placebo effect with these expensive lubes, Where you believe it makes you a better rider so it does. Its apparently the same with fake Viagra
Ah, that must be it, placebo effect. Silly me.
well yea, that's how snake oil works !
I don't use Snake Oil, I use Squirt.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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You degrease as well ! oooh.
There is clearly a placebo effect with these expensive lubes, Where you believe it makes you a better rider so it does. Its apparently the same with fake Viagra
Ah, that must be it, placebo effect. Silly me.
well yea, that's how snake oil works !
I don't use Snake Oil, I use Squirt.
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Was that before or after he smelt your helmet.I don't do smileys.
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I think I was right. I don't think Brain's idea of mountain biking isn't what I call mountain biking. Regarding his assessment of fun. The 1 to 10 method relies on your passed experience to create the scale so is totally subjective as Mr Skibum pointed out. I now have a picture of Brian sitting watching Carry on movies on VHS whilst drinking Bonnox and thinking to himself "There's not a man alive having more fun than I am right now!"
Im not sure what Bonnox is ? but I do like an Ealing comedy. Kind hearts and cornets being my favourite.
I appreciate your having a bit of a dig and that's Ok, but you touch on an important sociological point. If someone can find a sincere level of ''happiness'' with inexpensive things. Who is doing it wrong. him or the person who spends considerably more and gets maybe less, but certainly no more out of it. Everyone is chasing happiness, If I get it out of my rubbishy bike ( and cheap chain lube) and you dont from your superior machine, then maybe its you who needs to reconsidered ?
People generally find greater happiness in those who have materially less than them to be threatening, particularly if they are using there material possession to bolster their self esteem
Perhaps a thread called Zen and the art of mountain biking ?
Nb that's a literary reference to a book from the 1970s called Zen and the Art of motorcycle maintenance. A cult classic in its time0 -
Yes just a playful dig, but my bigger point is that for example I started mountain biking on a bike similar to yours about 10 years ago. Over that 10 years I have changed bike 3 times. Each bike being more able than the last as my skill set has progressed to allow me to ride terrain I wouldn't have dreamed of attempting only five years ago. For me mountain biking is about conquering fear. Had I not progressed and had bikes that accommodated the progress I would most likely have lost interest, as I have in road riding and golf and kayaking. As we speak I'm considering another change of bike as last week I broke my fork landing a jump that 5 years ago I wouldn't have attempted. I think your reference to happiness is dead right, but I don't look for just happiness on a mountain bike. I look for fear and adrenaline and then the surprise you feel when it turns out OK. Your original statement was about fun and I rate happiness about 5/10 on the funscale.I think I was right. I don't think Brain's idea of mountain biking isn't what I call mountain biking. Regarding his assessment of fun. The 1 to 10 method relies on your passed experience to create the scale so is totally subjective as Mr Skibum pointed out. I now have a picture of Brian sitting watching Carry on movies on VHS whilst drinking Bonnox and thinking to himself "There's not a man alive having more fun than I am right now!"
Im not sure what Bonnox is ? but I do like an Ealing comedy. Kind hearts and cornets being my favourite.
I appreciate your having a bit of a dig and that's Ok, but you touch on an important sociological point. If someone can find a sincere level of ''happiness'' with inexpensive things. Who is doing it wrong. him or the person who spends considerably more and gets maybe less, but certainly no more out of it. Everyone is chasing happiness, If I get it out of my rubbishy bike ( and cheap chain lube) and you dont from your superior machine, then maybe its you who needs to reconsidered ?
People generally find greater happiness in those who have materially less than them to be threatening, particularly if they are using there material possession to bolster their self esteem
Perhaps a thread called Zen and the art of mountain biking ?
Nb that's a literary reference to a book from the 1970s called Zen and the Art of motorcycle maintenance. A cult classic in its time
Im pleased that you get ''fulfillment '' out of your bike I genuinely like to talk to people who are enjoying parts of their life. what I cant understand is people being snide about my bike and type of MTbing
Fear and adrenaline make up part of my experience as well, You and others seem to have reached a conclusion that a) Im not doing any thing adventurous and b) you cant scare yourself on a cheap bike. when both are fundamentally untrue. For instance I decided not to put liquid brakes on it, because there was far more Adrenalin and achievement to be had from crap cable brakes. If that fails to thrill in the future, Il take the front brake off to get the adrenaline back
I regularly undertake maneuvers that have people on expensive full sussers getting off and pushing. That's not because Im particularly talented. just that they bought bikes they cant ride properly. I road through a stream to day, last time I did it, it was 1ft deep, today it was 3ft deep with a significant current, that got the adrenaline flowing, No one else wanted to try that out on there expensive bikes
As it is your continual updating of your bike means that non of them have brought anything but temporary happiness, before you got discontented and had to try something new. Are you the same with relationships0
