two fingers to redundancy
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Hang on hang on, why do you all keep putting the horse song, are you trying to suggest I am a horse whisperer?0
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You're clearly worried. START LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB!!![url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19637236#p19637236]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:Well aware that this won't be the last time I am in this situation, the owners are out for reasons that I can't think off but they are not out of pocket. Maybe they have gone at the right time like in the instance above, can't afford investment repayments etc so perfectly timed for them.
As I said, you've got to have the skills you have and the job roles you do written down on paper. Saying you do them means nothing in the event of redundancies. Honestly, ask half the people around my place and they'll tell you that they run the place, and that without them the building would collapse. It wouldn't, and some of them have gone in the past.Clockworkmark31 wrote:If I am being honest my role has sort of developed on its own, I am involved with production fails and repairs in production (job I applied for), test engineering, giving reports to design engineers, customer returns and quality issues to root cause. 90% of the time I am given free reign as I can complete the task in hand or keep up with my main priority of work whilst spending more time in another area.
Has this worked in my favor I have no idea, it has certainly put me in to confrontational situations with certain departments where I have gone out of my way to prove wrong. But these departments may stay so could go against me.
You're just going to have to man up about this I'm afraid to say. There's nothing you can do, it's people upstairs making the decisions. It's every man for himself, and you know it will most likely happen again. Start making contingency plans!It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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My obvious has been redundant for a while but will hopefully get some employment during some ladies tennis this week!Loving life in rural SW France
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Yeah have resided to the fact what happens, happens now. Other people may find it easier to get another role. But I am in kind of a niche job not lot's of call around where I am for my job but then again a lack of younger people coming in to the job, saying that I am only 30.
Would like to get in to the avionics side of electrical work. Think that is where I would like to end up. Best get googling on how to enter the world of avionics. Why didn't I continue my application to RAF five years ago for avionics tech.
Looking for new work already, contingency plan is none existent don't have the savings and have monthly expenses to meet. Oh well lets roll the dice and see what happens.0 -
Evening,
well after having a few days of work at the back end of last week it was strange going to work today.
Heard some staff had already left, there were some surprises and everyone who was going to be affected had been notified and the rest will happen tomorrow. Some good people in the line up too. I haven't been notified of anything so guessing I survived this round.
Though they are halving shift allowance so when that kicks in I will be affected.
I know its late on to ask, but I have seen a job that I could do but have never done it before Panel Wiring and the company is like two minutes ride from my home. They are advertising for numerous people direct and have seen loads of agencies advertising for them too.
Would it be looked down on if I just turned up with my CV?0 -
Do you mean turn up with your CV at the building? If they're asking for CV's, then do it. If they're asking you to fill in an application form, then for the love of God do that or your CV will be filed with the rubbish.
It pi$$es me off no end when we have an application process and someone sends me their CV and a note saying "Gizza job!" No! Do what everyone else has had to do and spend a few hours filling this in /rantIt takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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Companies often appreciate the direct approach - means they save a few£k because there aren't any agency fees0
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Question, I think I will have already acted out my thoughts before I get a reply. I have until 14:00 tomorrow.
Shift allowance is going to be halved for everyone on production excluding team leaders. This would say to me team leaders know every aspect on production including how to diagnose electric problems, how to set up machinery etc. They lack knowledge.
But they don't, yet there wage will be remaining the same.
How could this be justified?
It would be like categorizing me as a non skilled operative but all team leaders will come to me for help.
Screams complete BS to me, a team leader can keep the same pay without knowledge etc, yet everyone else will lose out.
I want to stand for the general people now, changes are getting extreme and everyone is getting more frustrated but they have no say.
Management say this will happen and it happens but normal production workers voices are ignored. I can only presume management think they are too stupid to realize.
Hell I want to sacrifice my job if they get better, maybe wolf of wall street style.
So many changes are happening but they are keeping it below the levels that they would have to mention anything.
F*** them.
More of a rant than question.
But I can't let them take the P*** out of normal people anymore.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19645980#p19645980]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:Screams complete BS to me, a team leader can keep the same pay without knowledge etc, yet everyone else will lose out.
This sounds like a regular day in the office to me.Clockworkmark31 wrote:Management say this will happen and it happens but normal production workers voices are ignored. I can only presume management think they are too stupid to realize.
Talk with your boss, find a new job, leave yadda yadda yadda, same old stuff we've been saying for ages.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19645980#p19645980]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:Screams complete BS to me, a team leader can keep the same pay without knowledge etc, yet everyone else will lose out.
This sounds like a regular day in the office to me.Clockworkmark31 wrote:Management say this will happen and it happens but normal production workers voices are ignored. I can only presume management think they are too stupid to realize.
Talk with your boss, find a new job, leave yadda yadda yadda, same old stuff we've been saying for ages.
I know I know.
Spoke with my manager earlier today after I had an altercation with a team leader.
TL was doing nothing, I was busy working on an investigation. She asked me to do a job that is not required by me. So I politely refused. Next thing I had a manager coming down to me that I politely refused to again. Next I was in a adhoc meeting with two manager (one being mine).
Well that was it I couldn't keep biting my tongue anymore. Told them all of my frustrations and the frustrations met by production etc was met by the usual response company is not doing so good grin and bare it.
My response get the TLs to do my job (knowing they can't) and then asked them to justify why TL's get a pay rise (they loose shift bonus but basic rate is increased so they are not out of pocket) whilst everyone in production takes a pay cut.
Asked for justification on this, they said one of the directors basically said if they don't like it they know where the door is.
My response no problem I will do this but consider this my notice, they were speechless.
Then went down the route of are you refusing a reasonable request etc, yes I am. You can do the job we will look to disciplinary action. I don't care if I can do it or not I have not received company training for this. Was met by you can do this to which I replied this is why the company is fu**ed and walked out of the meeting.
Company is known for bad quality.
I know I will have to leave this job, but on principal and how they treat people this has rattled me. And it is this part that I can't bit my tongue at. I always believe in treat how you would want to be treated.
And just to rub the salt in wounds after I complained about doing a different job to mine and had meeting etc, TL said too many fails were happening and they needed more help, ie they wanted me to do my original job.
This was met by a polite no!0 -
Not looking for answers atm, just venting frustration.
Hell I want to go in to work and do this and pump up production workers to to demand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr2tjMnDmB4
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So what you've done, rather than looking for somewhere new and getting a new job, waiting it out to see if you're made redundant, or having a meeting with your boss to ask for recognition of the work you do, is you told them to get fu**ed?
You realise this was stupid, right?It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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I wonder whose name will be top of the next list...0
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He has also lost his case for constructive dismissal....take your pickelf on your holibobs....
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Greetings all sorry for a late reply.
It took a rant with the manager as I mentioned earlier after refusing to do a task.
Well after saying all that I said in my rant (professional rant not crazy) things are clearer and simpler er now.
I have not been punished or anything else, instead after looking back my manager was saying to move up move on. My supervisor pretty much mimicked the same words the day after (if I was in your situation I would be looking for something else) then the woman from HR said in a separate meeting you need to do what is best for you and you have no chance of getting a pay rise (along with everyone else). HR are well advised of what I can do and know that the jobs I cover should demand more. But it won't be the case. I have heard of a 18 month strategy for the company but don't know the ins and outs only the plan will happen.
Anyway after having the weekend to mull over things and realize I have been looking in the wrong places for similar jobs, I am feeling confident about this and have set myself a deadline to change jobs with no regrets of leaving.
I feel positive about the whole thing, but I am curious why would I have lost a case for constructive dismissal. Being pushed by people and then telling them your thoughts is this so bad?
They asked me to do a job I refuse on the grounds that I am not trained in this, they say you can do the job, who is at wrong me refusing to do the job or them breaking protocol to get anyone and everyone to do critical safety jobs. For me I am in the right as it was this attitude that has got the company in such a mess.
Hell I could go on but about the recent ongoing this week but that would be like naming and shaming. I think it is better to just say thankyou for the chance.0 -
Anyway I am still at the company for now but believe it maybe at someones grace. And I am applying for other jobs.
Shame as I do actually like the job, but I also like manners. And if TLs aren't equipped to speak with direct and none direct staff accordingly and treat staff like they have just stepped on them, then I have no place in the company.
Manners and politeness cost nothing, I don't work for a dictatorship as far as I am concerned.0 -
So what you've done, rather than looking for somewhere new and getting a new job, waiting it out to see if you're made redundant, or having a meeting with your boss to ask for recognition of the work you do, is you told them to get fu**ed?
You realise this was stupid, right?
I wouldn't get redundancy less than two years, best I can hope for is one week notice. Spoke with my manager normally before he basically suggested alternative work before I shared my feelings, his opinion things will not change.0 -
So now that your supervisor and HR have told you to look for something new, you're taking their advice?
This was back on page 1.Saying that though, always be on the look out for something else.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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So now that your supervisor and HR have told you to look for something new, you're taking their advice?
This was back on page 1.Saying that though, always be on the look out for something else.
Not the case I was shocked and looking for there justification as to why! The why has annoyed me more than anything.
But they know my feelings. Have applied for jobs etc.
Don't understand why companies just sometimes cant be honest.0 -
Anyway enough ranting and venting from me.
I am looking and applying for new jobs (despite how annoying it is).
Ironically my manager asked me to do a job today that would normally not be expected, but did so politeness and curtness, my response no problem let me help you. Why can't all managers be like that rather than get your back up then expect you to perform.0 -
It is kind of annoying knowing that I would have faced HR regarding my recent outburst but nothing is becoming of it. Will carry on doing my job to the best of my abilities. Maybe I lack some experience to other people who replied.
But given a similar situation how would you have reacted or acted.0 -
I would not have reacted. I would have proacted by getting another job....take your pickelf on your holibobs....
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I would not have reacted. I would have proacted by getting another job.
The song sounds fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-MVgC_jz4
Proved my worth today in going against peers to prove a point that will save the company from further compensation claims etc.
But my mind is very much fixed on a new job, whilst still being professional to the company.
Is anyone reading this ex RN or RAF?0 -
How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.
That's what he claims, but I believe he is actually in prison0 -
...again.How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.
That's what he claims, but I believe he is actually in prison...0 -
...again.How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.
That's what he claims, but I believe he is actually in prison...
Oh Hai!!!!
I am indeed a full time occupier of a position in the RAF (No way was i going to type 'member' on here) i am due to leave in Sept after 30 years service. I have travelled large parts of the world and cannot remember most of it as i've been suitably refreshed wherever i have gone!!!
Not sure on the criteria for joining at the moment especially what age you need to be but they are actively recruiting regulars and reserves. Like most occupations its a lot smaller and nowhere near as good as when i started but you'll definitely travel and no two days will be the same. And if you like and are good at any sports you will be occasionally allowed time off to take partin that sport.
I think they must have a web site somewhere with all the details you are after, if i could be arrissed i'd get it for you but i'm too busy on here. Ps i'm not in work at the moment surfing the net, no way would i do that, i'd be in real trouble, so i'm not in work, on a works computer........ok?Loving life in rural SW France
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...again.How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.
That's what he claims, but I believe he is actually in prison...
Oh Hai!!!!
I am indeed a ( 'member' ) snicker It's a boy , It's a boy , I Shouted Running Into The Street With Tears Running Down My Face.....
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...again.How old are you? Getting into the RN or RAF if you're 30+ is basically out of the question. I believe bg13 is leaving the RAF, but I may be wrong.
That's what he claims, but I believe he is actually in prison...
Oh Hai!!!!
I am indeed a ( 'member' ) snicker
:oops:Loving life in rural SW France
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Have found the perfect way forward.
I am 30, RAF is out of the question as must attest before 29th birthday. Don't think the army has an air core anymore.
So RN it is, have been speaking with my Bro who is RM, and knowing that QE and POW are coming with F35s and RAF Helos going to RN it made sense.
Have started the application to RN for Fleet Air Arm - Aircraft Engineering Technician. Just hope I can pass everything, had no problems in the past doing similar. Plus the role allows you to gain a foundation degree in the trade. Combines my love of aircraft and engineering.
It's like a a DOH moment why did I not do this before. But I feel a weight has lifted and now know what I want career wise.
Anyway feeling positive and all this happening has pushed me to what I should have done years ago.0
