Cav on the science of sprinting
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I think his Worlds win shows the fighter in him. I know GB controlled the race but at the very last corner Cav lost G's wheel and it was up to him and his skills and talent to fight it out right to the line, the rest is history. He showed that day what class he is2020 Reilly Spectre - raw titanium
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The science of sprinting my ars*!! there is no science. Its simply stick a bunch of blokes in front of you for an entire stage, try and keep the legs as rested as possible, then put the effort in 200m from the line. What f'kin science??
Cav has got to be one of THE most overrated sprinters of all time. He's actually managed to forge a career, and most of his wins, being the biggest one-trick-pony in cycling. His routine to every race he's ever ridden breaks down into:
1. amble about in the bunch
2. near the end, form the train
3. follow in the train last man.
4. get them peel off one by one until 300m
5. break from the last man and sprint.
At this point, he's one of the fastest sprinters. But thats only if every single part of that stage has gone 100% according to plan. Even a 1% divergence in that plan results in the following
1. follow the race leaders with a miserable face
2. know you're not going to compete so sit up and look p*ssed off, blowing 3-4hours worth of team effort into the bin.
Cav cannot win anything unless its 100% to plan. Anything remotely different and he's useless. He'll pull his miserable face like he was gutted when in fact he gave up a mile out knowing it wasn't working.
Hes a lazy b*strd Cav, he doesn't have the ability to just jostle and chase like Sagan can. He doesn't have the ability to fight for anything and rub shoulders 200m out if his nose isn't in front, he always gives up. He's simply not prepared to fight for anything if it means it will look like he's going to finish 2nd or 3rd unlike most other sprinters.
He's pretty much managed to create an illusion around him that he's unbeatable but in actual fact he's been beaten quite a bit and in a straight out fight with Kittel he's been show up for what he is. He'll blow his top about his lead out train, deflecting the gaze away from him and blame others when he doesn't perform but if i was in his team i would tell him to pull his finger out and stop hiding and blaming others. He pretty much screwed up in the Tour last year in Harrogate because he got beat then tried to fudge his way through knowing he had no chance, it meant going down gave him his get-out-of-jail card for his poor performance.
I don't see what people see in Cav.
You watching the National Championships at the moment?0 -
You beat me to it.
Pretty sure that performance in the National RR today debunks everyone of Ashbeck's statements about Cav being a one trick pony."One thing that is worse than Carlton Kirby: people complaining about Carlton Kirby.
Talk about first world problems."
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Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
Enough said.0 -
In the post race interview today the TV guy asked him if he felt he had something to prove. He said; "I don't have anything to prove, I've won 25 Tour stages and a World Championship"Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
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In the post race interview today the TV guy asked him if he felt he had something to prove. He said; "I don't have anything to prove, I've won 25 Tour stages and a World Championship"Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
Enough said.
One trick pony."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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You'll probably find enjoyment of the forum increases if you put Ashbeck on block.0
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I don't see what people see in Cav.
Well given that everything you ve written is total nonsense I'm not surprised.
And you're a self-appointed Jedi Master in the arts of cycling i take it? pft..dont make me laugh...
You know when you wake up in the morning and your ego goes 'you love cycling....you know everything there is to know...you believe you are right and everyone else is wrong...'..that voice? thats just you.
Everyone else thinks you're a c*nt.0 -
Cav has got to be one of THE most overrated sprinters of all time. He's actually managed to forge a career, and most of his wins, being the biggest one-trick-pony in cycling. His routine to every race he's ever ridden breaks down into:
1. amble about in the bunch
2. near the end, form the train
3. follow in the train last man.
4. get them peel off one by one until 300m
5. break from the last man and sprint.
At this point, he's one of the fastest sprinters. But thats only if every single part of that stage has gone 100% according to plan.
So pretty much what every other sprinter has ever done?
Jog on.
Or what? you won't do anything face to face son because you don't have the bottle. Keyboard warrior.0 -
I don't see what people see in Cav.
Well given that everything you ve written is total nonsense I'm not surprised.
And you're a self-appointed Jedi Master in the arts of cycling i take it? pft..dont make me laugh...
You know when you wake up in the morning and your ego goes 'you love cycling....you know everything there is to know...you believe you are right and everyone else is wrong...'..that voice? thats just you.
Everyone else thinks you're a c*nt.Ashbeck wrote:
Stupid stuff
good stuff
Jog on.
Or what? you won't do anything face to face son because you don't have the bottle. Keyboard warrior.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Ashbeck wrote:Craigus89 wrote:Ashbeck[/url] wrote:Cav has got to be one of THE most overrated sprinters of all time. He's actually managed to forge a career, and most of his wins, being the biggest one-trick-pony in cycling. His routine to every race he's ever ridden breaks down into:
1. amble about in the bunch
2. near the end, form the train
3. follow in the train last man.
4. get them peel off one by one until 300m
5. break from the last man and sprint.
At this point, he's one of the fastest sprinters. But thats only if every single part of that stage has gone 100% according to plan.
So pretty much what every other sprinter has ever done?
Jog on.
Or what? you won't do anything face to face son because you don't have the bottle. Keyboard warrior.
Wow. You're my hero. So big and brave and butch and everything.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
The Tour's going to be fun.Correlation is not causation.0
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Ashbeck can enjoy the tour without the forum.
If he can't sign in - give it a month and he will be able to again.
Just after the Tour, as it happens....0 -
In case you're not sure why - try calling someone you don't know a c*** in public, face to face, and see what happens....0
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You know the tour must be getting close when the ban hammer comes out"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
You'll probably find enjoyment of the forum increases if you put Ashbeck on block.
Or possibly not, at least the quote function means I didn't miss out on the laugh!0 -
Ashbeck can enjoy the tour without the forum.
If he can't sign in - give it a month and he will be able to again.
Just after the Tour, as it happens....
Thank you. And we'll enjoy the tour on the forum much more without him
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
Enough said.
Yes, but 20 of those 25 tdf stage wins, 80% of them, were with HTC with a dedicated team committed to a lead out train never seen before or since really. So he delivered on the back of that train, not a problem, that's his job. Put that in on top of the competition he had at the time and it accounts for a lot.
Merckx was a great GT rider as well, and his stages can't be seen in the same light, they were from a real all round superiority.
Not knocking Cav, he was good at what he did, still is good. I prefer the Cav we have now to the Cav that we had then who never would have claimed anywhere near those amount of wins without that HTC lead out train. Like I said, he's very good at his job in a team built for him, not quite as good without.0 -
Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
Enough said.
Yes, but 20 of those 25 tdf stage wins, 80% of them were with HTC with a dedicated team committed to a lead out train never seen before or since really. So he delivered on the back of that train, not a problem, that's his job. Put that in on top of the competition he had at the time and it accounts for a lot.
Merckx was a great GT rider as well, and his stages can't be seen in the same light, they were from a real all round superiority.
Not knocking Cav, he was good at what he did, still is good. I prefer the Cav we have now to the Cav that we had then who never would have claimed anywhere near those amount of wins without that HTC lead out train.
Re lead out trains...
It's fair to say HTC were exceptional, but they didn't exactly invent it. They just invested the entire team into it.
Since then, other teams have tried to implement it, and Cav has ridden or teams that have other options than just him, so we now have multiple trains on the flat stages. Lotto and Giant to name but two.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Like I said, he's very good at his job in a team built for him, not quite as good without.
Can you name another modern era rider for whom that is NOT true?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Some top grade trolling from Ashbeck up there.
Does this forum always head downhill so quickly round the tour? Swear I didn't notice it so much last year.0 -
Some top grade trolling from Ashbeck up there.
Does this forum always head downhill so quickly round the tour? Swear I didn't notice it so much last year.
There are always one or two.
There's usually some sort of Sky = Doping troll and a couple of Sky = Satan trolls.
Cav, of course, is trollworthy on his own.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Like I said, he's very good at his job in a team built for him, not quite as good without.
Can you name another modern era rider for whom that is NOT true?
I was saying it in the context of that completely dedicated and exceptionally well drilled HTC lead out train that's all.0 -
Cav is the most successful sprinter in the tour ever.
Only Merckx has won more stages and Cav isn't even retired yet.
Enough said.
Yes, but 20 of those 25 tdf stage wins, 80% of them were with HTC with a dedicated team committed to a lead out train never seen before or since really. So he delivered on the back of that train, not a problem, that's his job. Put that in on top of the competition he had at the time and it accounts for a lot.
Merckx was a great GT rider as well, and his stages can't be seen in the same light, they were from a real all round superiority.
Not knocking Cav, he was good at what he did, still is good. I prefer the Cav we have now to the Cav that we had then who never would have claimed anywhere near those amount of wins without that HTC lead out train.
Re lead out trains...
It's fair to say HTC were exceptional, but they didn't exactly invent it. They just invested the entire team into it.
Since then, other teams have tried to implement it, and Cav has ridden or teams that have other options than just him, so we now have multiple trains on the flat stages. Lotto and Giant to name but two.
Yep, agreed, and they did invest the entire team into it, they had one purpose.0 -
It should also be noted that 16 of Merckx's stage wins were time trials - eight of them 12km or less in split stages which no longer exist.Yes, but 20 of those 25 tdf stage wins, 80% of them, were with HTC with a dedicated team committed to a lead out train never seen before or since really. So he delivered on the back of that train, not a problem, that's his job. Put that in on top of the competition he had at the time and it accounts for a lot.
Merckx was a great GT rider as well, and his stages can't be seen in the same light, they were from a real all round superiority.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Doubt everyone agrees, but at his peak, i'm not sure Cav would have needed a proper lead out train. They made wins turn in to crushing wins... if you win a sprint at that level by 2-3 bike lengths, its an overwhelming victory.
of course nowadays he doesn't quite win by that much, but he's still a favourite for most of the flat stages coming up.0
