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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    And anyway, all research suggests this generation works harder than previous did at the same age.

    You expect growth in the economy year on year, so why ought the younger generation not expect to earn more than their parents?
    Got any examples of this research?

    Your second paragraph suggests that the younger generation should adjust their expectations when economic growth is not positive, but I haven't seen that happening much.

    JFGI.

    What is it with you and giving people homework?
    _
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure.
    The state of the roads are diminishing my cycling pleasure :mrgreen:
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    And anyway, all research suggests this generation works harder than previous did at the same age.

    You expect growth in the economy year on year, so why ought the younger generation not expect to earn more than their parents?
    Got any examples of this research?

    Your second paragraph suggests that the younger generation should adjust their expectations when economic growth is not positive, but I haven't seen that happening much.

    JFGI.

    What is it with you and giving people homework?
    You made the claim, I'm just asking you to back it up. And since you're also claiming to be so hard working, what's the problem? :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    thistle (MBNW) wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure.
    The state of the roads are diminishing my cycling pleasure :mrgreen:
    Well mountain biking is more fun...and a full suspension bike would solve your problem on the road as well :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)

    I think if the state of the roads near you is good it's a clear indication that you aren't a UK based accountant and are a bot based elsewhere :wink:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?

    Oops :oops: I'll blame the new phone not knowing how to spell!

    I am, and friends and family of my generation who have stayed in the south east can generally not think of getting near the property ladder...

    Otoh most of my peers working "serious" jobs further up north are generally looking towards buying a house.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)
    There really are no limits to the effectiveness of your blinkers. Roads being poor is my subjective opinion?
    I clearly state I don't support uncontrolled spending. I do however make a case that there are broader arguments to spend more on productivity.
    Roads are just an example, the government would decide what to spend on, not my whims.
    You're alright jack, we get that.
    How do you tackle the problem that there is less work to be done and the social impact of that?
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
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    Or if you are ideologically opposed to the state, here is a different take on the real issues that need tackling.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Jez mon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?

    Oops :oops: I'll blame the new phone not knowing how to spell!

    I am, and friends and family of my generation who have stayed in the south east can generally not think of getting near the property ladder...

    Otoh most of my peers working "serious" jobs further up north are generally looking towards buying a house.

    As an observation of someone involved in the London property market, our clientele is getting older. In the early noughties, we were mostly working with young professionals; these days our clients are increasingly semi-retired over-60s.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    rjsterry wrote:
    In the early noughties, we were mostly working with young professionals; these days our clients are increasingly semi-retired over-60s.
    And dodgy cash purchase E European / Asia Pacific individuals?
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thistle (MBNW) wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure.
    The state of the roads are diminishing my cycling pleasure :mrgreen:
    Well mountain biking is more fun...and a full suspension bike would solve your problem on the road as well :)
    +1 except it's a bit slow on the full suss.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)
    There really are no limits to the effectiveness of your blinkers. Roads being poor is my subjective opinion?
    I clearly state I don't support uncontrolled spending. I do however make a case that there are broader arguments to spend more on productivity.
    Roads are just an example, the government would decide what to spend on, not my whims.
    You're alright jack, we get that.
    How do you tackle the problem that there is less work to be done and the social impact of that?
    Of course its your opinion. If I'm happy enough to drive and cycle on them, that's my opinion.

    And less of the leftiebollox assumptions. Maybe you're not alright Jack (I dont know) but don't act all chippy towards me because of what you assume.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)
    There really are no limits to the effectiveness of your blinkers. Roads being poor is my subjective opinion?
    I clearly state I don't support uncontrolled spending. I do however make a case that there are broader arguments to spend more on productivity.
    Roads are just an example, the government would decide what to spend on, not my whims.
    You're alright jack, we get that.
    How do you tackle the problem that there is less work to be done and the social impact of that?
    Of course its your opinion. If I'm happy enough to drive and cycle on them, that's my opinion.

    And less of the leftiebollox assumptions. Maybe you're not alright Jack (I dont know) but don't act all chippy towards me because of what you assume.
    I'm not assuming anything. You regularly point out how well you're doing. Me, who knows?
    Poor roads are a widely held opinion as they are mentioned regularly on here and there are websites and studies documenting the magnitude of the pot hole problem. It seems to be more akin to an accepted issue.
    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2018/03/100m-pothole-cash-boost-promised-by-uk-government-to-fix-britain-s-weather-battered-roads/ This link commences with last winter specifically but broadens its scope further in.
    And you haven't answered my question. ;)
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Jez mon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?

    Oops :oops: I'll blame the new phone not knowing how to spell!

    I am, and friends and family of my generation who have stayed in the south east can generally not think of getting near the property ladder...

    Otoh most of my peers working "serious" jobs further up north are generally looking towards buying a house.

    Owning property is not a one way bet. They will be even more whiney if their property goes down 25% in value and takes a decade to go back to what they paid.

    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?

    Oops :oops: I'll blame the new phone not knowing how to spell!

    I am, and friends and family of my generation who have stayed in the south east can generally not think of getting near the property ladder...

    Otoh most of my peers working "serious" jobs further up north are generally looking towards buying a house.

    Owning property is not a one way bet. They will be even more whiney if their property goes down 25% in value and takes a decade to go back to what they paid.

    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.
    Millennials moan about the oldies looking back at the past through rose tinted glasses. "It was just perfect back then, let's go back in time." And then moan how easy it was for them. Make up your mind.
    FYI - It wasn't easy and in 30 years time the youngsters will be moaning about millennials.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:

    I think it's pretty clear that mellenials have got slightly screwed over by the rise of property as a percentage of income, especially in the South East.
    Especially the ones that can't spell :wink:

    Are you by any chance a millennial?

    Oops :oops: I'll blame the new phone not knowing how to spell!

    I am, and friends and family of my generation who have stayed in the south east can generally not think of getting near the property ladder...

    Otoh most of my peers working "serious" jobs further up north are generally looking towards buying a house.

    Owning property is not a one way bet. They will be even more whiney if their property goes down 25% in value and takes a decade to go back to what they paid.

    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.

    What's your point?

    Progress is always relative, and so is opportunity.

    Surely you can see that in a stagnant economy where the main wealth gains have been made through real estate, where real wages have either stagnated or shank depending on how you measure them and cost of living have gone up significantly, that that generation won't be as content to continue with the status quo?

    What do technological innovations have to do with it?
    _
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Accounts: good servants; bad masters. Mine knows his place - bet he doesn't preach all day on t'internet!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.

    I've spent time without those perks, where do I get my final year pension at 55 from? I've even paid my taxes all my life. I'm no luddite though, so I'm happy for modern science to keep me alive until I'm 90 with the same index linked pension, of course.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    morstar wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The state of the roads is your view. Not sure I have really thought to myself that the state of the roads are diminishing my driving pleasure. Although clearly if we put people in jobs fixing everybody's different perceived/pet gripes with the country then we would have uncontrolled state spending.

    That said, if I want to drive like a hooligan I'll go to a track day :)
    There really are no limits to the effectiveness of your blinkers. Roads being poor is my subjective opinion?
    I clearly state I don't support uncontrolled spending. I do however make a case that there are broader arguments to spend more on productivity.
    Roads are just an example, the government would decide what to spend on, not my whims.
    You're alright jack, we get that.
    How do you tackle the problem that there is less work to be done and the social impact of that?
    Of course its your opinion. If I'm happy enough to drive and cycle on them, that's my opinion.

    And less of the leftiebollox assumptions. Maybe you're not alright Jack (I dont know) but don't act all chippy towards me because of what you assume.
    I'm not assuming anything. You regularly point out how well you're doing. Me, who knows?
    Poor roads are a widely held opinion as they are mentioned regularly on here and there are websites and studies documenting the magnitude of the pot hole problem. It seems to be more akin to an accepted issue.
    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2018/03/100m-pothole-cash-boost-promised-by-uk-government-to-fix-britain-s-weather-battered-roads/ This link commences with last winter specifically but broadens its scope further in.
    And you haven't answered my question. ;)
    I didn't bother answering because you started playing the man not the ball...and I think you are reading between the lines too much.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    And anyway, all research suggests this generation works harder than previous did at the same age.

    You expect growth in the economy year on year, so why ought the younger generation not expect to earn more than their parents?
    Got any examples of this research?

    Your second paragraph suggests that the younger generation should adjust their expectations when economic growth is not positive, but I haven't seen that happening much.

    JFGI.

    What is it with you and giving people homework?
    You made the claim, I'm just asking you to back it up. And since you're also claiming to be so hard working, what's the problem? :wink:
    Does anyone else see the slight irony in a millennial who claims to be hard working not being bothered to post a link to support their claim? :)

    No wonder they're not very well off with an attitude like that.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Robert88 wrote:
    Accounts: good servants; bad masters. Mine knows his place - bet he doesn't preach all day on t'internet!
    The implication being that you need an accountant to do your finances. Not exactly a great veiled boast is it :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Does anyone else see the slight irony in a millennial who claims to be hard working not being bothered to post a link to support their claim? :)

    No wonder they're not very well off with an attitude like that.
    Isn't ironic, don't you think?
    A little too ironic from DeflectionMan.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    orraloon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Does anyone else see the slight irony in a millennial who claims to be hard working not being bothered to post a link to support their claim? :)

    No wonder they're not very well off with an attitude like that.
    Isn't ironic, don't you think?
    A little too ironic from DeflectionMan.
    Given that chips on shoulders were mentioned recently, I suppose it was only a matter of time before you popped up :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    Owning property is not a one way bet. They will be even more whiney if their property goes down 25% in value and takes a decade to go back to what they paid.

    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.

    So a bunch of millennials face the choice of either waiting for property to crash, moving out of the area /region they want to live. (so if in a couple that means two people with long commutes or having to find new jobs).

    All the while being told that because they spend 2 quid on avocados a week, they don't deserve to be able to save for a deposit.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    Owning property is not a one way bet. They will be even more whiney if their property goes down 25% in value and takes a decade to go back to what they paid.

    Forget iPhones, when these thoughtless pensioners were growing up they did not have a freezer and colour TVs were for the rich and the pikeys on HP. Actually scrap freezer and go with no fridge and an outside bog.

    So a bunch of millennials face the choice of either waiting for property to crash, moving out of the area /region they want to live. (so if in a couple that means two people with long commutes or having to find new jobs).
    That isn't new though - for example, people have been commuting into London to work (from a fairly long way out in some cases) for donkeys years.

    As for property crashes, not sure if that will happen but there may a silver lining in the Brexit cloud...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    That isn't new though - for example, people have been commuting into London to work (from a fairly long way out in some cases) for donkeys years.

    As for property crashes, not sure if that will happen but there may a silver lining in the Brexit cloud...

    Sure,but we are now seeing it from further and further out, and at greater corresponding cost...
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Jez mon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    That isn't new though - for example, people have been commuting into London to work (from a fairly long way out in some cases) for donkeys years.

    As for property crashes, not sure if that will happen but there may a silver lining in the Brexit cloud...

    Sure,but we are now seeing it from further and further out, and at greater corresponding cost...
    I dunno - long distance commuting has been around for a while. A couple of people in my office who are definitely not millenials have commuted from Portmouth and Stratford on Avon for a long time.

    Although part of me says anything that means less whiney millenials nearby can't be entirely a bad thing :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Does anyone else see the slight irony in a millennial who claims to be hard working not being bothered to post a link to support their claim? :)

    No wonder they're not very well off with an attitude like that.
    Isn't ironic, don't you think?
    A little too ironic from DeflectionMan.
    Given that chips on shoulders were mentioned recently, I suppose it was only a matter of time before you popped up :)
    Muttley style snigger...

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