Can't Decide Which I Like Better
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I saw the photos and understood the injury thing and hence the stems, so duely ignored the stems.
So, ignoring the stems, neither bike looked right at all to me. To me they both stood out like Ken Dodd in a fashion show. That said, maybe it would have been better to just post without the pics in the first place so the aesthetics weren't brought into the discussion, otherwise people are naturally going to comment on the looks of them.
The plot thickens...
The Pina is a stock Dogma with black wheels.
Except for the raised stem, it looks pretty much like this one, with black and red bar tape and black hubs.
http://www.pinarello.com/en/bike-2015/road/dogma-f8/952-black-red
Kindly point out the Ken Dodd in it, so I can understand your aesthetic sense.
Reeeeally? I honestly must have been so put off by the Cinelli underneath it, and that had a ridiculous dog's dinner of styles mixed up on it. Go on, put the photos back up, then I'll comment again. I know other people would absolutely love to see them.
So you've gone from (my caps):
"NEITHER bike looked right AT ALL to me. To me they BOTH stood out like Ken Dodd in a fashion show."
... to not being able to find Ken Dodd in all of half the map.
I've heard of people exaggerating to make a point, but nothing compared to what you just pulled.
Ken Dodd's hair sticks out as many things in red do. I chose a red Cinelli and added red (Italian) tires and a red (Cinelli) tape, so what? Sue me. You Brits aspire to practice the art of understatement, but there is a whole wide world outside your little isle were people are not forever fearful to be embarrassed and let their freak flag fly. You mistake inhibition for good taste. Moreover, you fail to appreciate the win-win situation in which we find ourselves, and as many others focus on the negative: I can ride two bikes I like, and you don't have to ride either of the bikes you dislike. What's not to love?
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[...] a ridiculous dog's dinner of styles mixed up on it.
Please explain. Not looking to argue but just know how you arrive at that thought.
You do realize that steel lug frames are still being built today, right?
My Cinelli frame is a new frame built last year, and has nothing vintage in it not even the steel alloy. The only anachronism is that it still uses a quill stem. What do you expect as far as components, Campy? I would choose the latest so there would be nothing vintage to it either. Have you actually seen the Campy SR chainset? It's not silver-shiny anymore. And why should I not use an advanced groupset, and the one I prefer at that, on a lugged frame?
I am open to persuasion, but not open to style rules people pull from between their butt cheeks or the poorly disguised desire to f-u-c-k with other people.
It's a great pity that all this idiotic talk about looks overshadows what I would expect would be of much greater interests to fellow cyclists -- the handling and ride of the beast, which is out of this world. Unfortunately most people here prefer to sit on other people's cakes instead of talking about the sugar and the honey. Your loss.
I think I just bumped against the wrong bunch, because I find far friendlier bikers in other forums.0 -
It's a great pity that all this idiotic talk about looks overshadows what I would expect would be of much greater interests to fellow cyclists -- the handling and ride of the beast, which is out of this world. Unfortunately most people here prefer to sit on other people's cakes instead of talking about the sugar and the honey. Your loss.
How is anyone going to judge the way the bikes ride when the subsection of the forum which has ridden both (or even either) bikes is going to be very, very small? Anyone, on the other hand, can judge looks from a photo.
But anyway, thanks for giving us the best thread BikeRadar has seen in... as long as my short time here, at least.0 -
It's a great pity that all this idiotic talk about looks overshadows what I would expect would be of much greater interests to fellow cyclists -- the handling and ride of the beast, which is out of this world. Unfortunately most people here prefer to sit on other people's cakes instead of talking about the sugar and the honey. Your loss.
How is anyone going to judge the way the bikes ride when the subsection of the forum which has ridden both (or even either) bikes is going to be very, very small? Anyone, on the other hand, can judge looks from a photo.
But anyway, thanks for giving us the best thread BikeRadar has seen in... as long as my short time here, at least.
You are welcome. Not intentional, I just treat people as warranted by their approach.
These are European bikes in an European forum, both brands have been around for decades and are well known. One of them is Team Sky bike this season. If most people here only know those bikes by sight Bikeradar has a long way to go to attract more worldly cyclists. In other forums based in other continents Pina bike owners are like flies, and Cinelli far from rare as far as people having experience on them, and hence establishing some rapport between riders who share similar bikes, which generates enjoyable discussions.0 -
The supercorsa is really quite unusual looking with those parts on. I'd say some vintage campag would be more sympathetic to the look of the frame.
Here is an example of a post that conveys a poster's opinion, which differs from mine, in a non-derogatory way; for those who still have to learn the difference. And he even says how the damn thing could look better, which is advice I don't disagree with.
(1) I already have vintage bike. (2) Function > looks. (3) I look at the chainset once in a while, I shift gears almost constantly: SRAM Red wins. Désolé0 -
Does it look like this, but red?:0
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Is this still running? I've run out of Popcorn, and can't even remember what the bikes look like any more (apart from the Stems, obviously...)Condor Super Acciaio, Record, Deda, Pacentis.
Curtis 853 Handbuilt MTB, XTR, DT Swiss and lots of Hope.
Genesis Datum Gravel Bike, Pacentis (again).
Genesis Equilibrium Disc, 105 & H-Plus-Son.
Mostly Steel.0 -
Is this still running? I've run out of Popcorn, and can't even remember what the bikes look like any more (apart from the Stems, obviously...)
Of course it is, Tiglath still hasn't found his dummy yet....
Don't tell him, but its blending in with his red tyres.0 -
This has to be a wind up, surely !0
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Where are the bike pics?0
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Some of your logic is outstanding tilgath... Stop trying to look for justifications as to why you're right and we're wrong. It's personal opinion, nothing more nothing less...
If you think it's just because we are all ill informed or whatever why not post the pictures on a selection of other forums and see if you get the compliments you clearly need?
To be fair I think you should repost the pictures here too. if you're that proud of your bikes then stand behind them at least! (Figuratively speaking of course, I'm not sure we'd see you behind those stems!) :shock: :shock:Cannondale caad7 ultegra
S-works Tarmac sl5 etap
Colnago c64 etap wifli
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Ease up on the stems guys.
If the lad's got back problems, and fitting stems like that enable him to get out and ride, then fair play to him.0 -
Tiglath wrote:It's a great pity that all this idiotic talk about looks overshadows what I would expect would be of much greater interests to fellow cyclists -- the handling and ride of the beast, which is out of this world.
But we'd have to read about how it handles elsewhere (and so would you) as you won't have a clue about this because yours has the bars higher than the saddle and your C of G will be as high as that of Mary Poppins trundling down to the shops. If you don't know that will completely change the handling of the bike out of all recognition compared to a regular person's experience of it then you will probably benefit from knowing that it will completely change the handling of the bike out of all recognition compared to a regular person's experience of it.
So, with you having no relevant experience to offer on ride and handling stuff, please can you post photos of the bikes again?
Just to give people the idea for other people, the Cinelli looked a bit like this one....
...and to be fair, if the Dogma was anything like the following (which you seemed to intimate earlier), then the stem is the only real odd thing, I remembered it as being different so I apologise for that...
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Does it look like this, but red?:
The owner of this bike probably read that Aero bars would make him faster, so he ate ten of them every day for three monthsSpecialized Roubaix Elite 2015
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Ha, yeah.
In their defence, and from my experience, those Vision aerobars are a nightmare to adjust to get the right fit. I have a pair and have struggled for a few year. Never thought of putting 20 x 10mm spacers under the stem though.
Imagine the stress on the steerer!!?!??!
Something about this bike screams counterfeit too, can't quite put my finger on what.0 -
OP has kept this one quiet as well
Nice collection palI'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
I feel like a blind man at the Cinema with this thread.
Can someone describe the bikes through the medium of mime please.0 -
mfin posted the pics, just up the page a bit.0
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mfin posted the pics, just up the page a bit.
Ah, yes...0 -
Don't kid yourself that this guy isn't into aesthetics either, he is, the red/black tape on the dogma proves there's a bit of effort (and to be fair the Dogma is alright). The Cinelli looks wrong though, I don't think anyone has said otherwise, even if you imagine the bars in a normal position then it still looks like the combination of bits were picked by Stevie Wonder with his eyes closed.0
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The 'almost factory' spec Dogma is fine for me. The stem is for medical reasons, fine.
The Cinelli doesn't look quite right to me tyres and tape is a consumable so a non-issue as they'll be dead and gone in a season, replaced with something more in keeping. The wheel decals are a bit shouty too, but neh. The real problem is the chainset. Just not right in my eyes. How to correct is a big issue, as I reckon the bike needs a silver chainset to look right and you can't get 11s silver chainsets in a decent level (Dura Ace, Ultegra, Record, etc) to give quality shifting any more. Athena is the best you can get in 11s and silver, which won't be as good as what the bike already has.0 -
Is this still running? I've run out of Popcorn, and can't even remember what the bikes look like any more (apart from the Stems, obviously...)
Of course it is, Tiglath still hasn't found his dummy yet....
Don't tell him, but its blending in with his red tyres.
I was wrong. You were not lucky enough to be raised by wolves. Weasels more like it.0 -
Tiglath wrote:It's a great pity that all this idiotic talk about looks overshadows what I would expect would be of much greater interests to fellow cyclists -- the handling and ride of the beast, which is out of this world.
But we'd have to read about how it handles elsewhere (and so would you) as you won't have a clue about this because yours has the bars higher than the saddle and your C of G will be as high as that of Mary Poppins trundling down to the shops. If you don't know that will completely change the handling of the bike out of all recognition compared to a regular person's experience of it then you will probably benefit from knowing that it will completely change the handling of the bike out of all recognition compared to a regular person's experience of it.
So, with you having no relevant experience to offer on ride and handling stuff, please can you post photos of the bikes again?
Just to give people the idea for other people, the Cinelli looked a bit like this one....
...and to be fair, if the Dogma was anything like the following (which you seemed to intimate earlier), then the stem is the only real odd thing, I remembered it as being different so I apologise for that...
Where there is an ill-will there is a way. Well done.0 -
I still want to see the ENVE's on the CinelliI'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0
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Even ignoring the stem, that looks cheap and nasty. And that's coming from somebody who is neither jealous nor financially challenged.throwing fuel on the fire wrote:the Cinelli looked a bit like this one....0 -
I cannot believe a few thanked me for bringing this pathetic zombie jamboree of a thread to Bikeradar.
I must shake head ruefully.
My first thread here was about wearing a helmet, I wasn't the OP. Big blunder for a guy who probably walks around and remembers the alphabet thanks to a nice Giro helmet. People made some unbelievable statements. I thought I had just ventured on an unusual congregation of people with room temperature IQ.
In my second try I decided to talk about nothing controversial (as if protecting our head could be controversial, but let's leave that for now) so I thought I will show my bikes, so people will show me theirs and we'll shoot the breeze. Wrong again.
It's only a love for mockery that keeps me here now, but I've done that, and frankly the Christian forums offer better pickings. It's a damn shame that people who share a love for bikes produce threads no better than this. So buckets of deserved opprobrium on all the uncouth here. You know who you are, feel alluded.
Not all respondents have been the same. A very few show that they had a proper upbringing, feel alluded, but mostly not, especially the plebeian moron from Eastbourne who only wishes he could see a Cinelli in person.
As you were...0 -
Even ignoring the stem, that looks cheap and nasty. And that's coming from somebody who is neither jealous nor financially challenged.throwing fuel on the fire wrote:the Cinelli looked a bit like this one....
If you don't like my red bike you are gonna phucking love my turquoise mountain bike. Sorry to rob you of the pleasure to whine about the stem but I have faith you shall strive.
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MTB looks ok, but this is a road bike section unfortunately. Surprised you even ride off road, with what must be a very serious back issue.0
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I'm not into mountain biking but the mountain bike looks ok.
The Pina looks ok too.
If the Cinelli was mine and I had your back issue I'd probably put a stem on it that was level with the saddle and a set of flat bars less fugly that way.0 -
Devastated doesn't come close to how I feel about missing out on seeing these bikes, can someone at least draw them and post the pic please???One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0
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