Giro D'Italia- Stage 18 ***Spoilers***

rick_chasey

So since I missed most of this - is this being described as payback because Contador attacked when he didn't need to?

Or is there an element I am missing?

adr82

Gap to Landa/Amador/Aru group was around 1' 15" in the end

frenchfighter

Contador and Hesjedal cross the line @ 6'05''

Landa's group at 7'18''

adr82

Rick Chasey wrote:

So since I missed most of this - is this being described as payback because Contador attacked when he didn't need to?

Or is there an element I am missing?

There was at least one crash I think, which Landa seemed to be caught up in. He was certainly off the back somewhere when Contador kicked things off.

Macaloon

Superfluous post.

frenchfighter

Rick Chasey wrote:

So since I missed most of this - is this being described as payback because Contador attacked when he didn't need to?

Or is there an element I am missing?

A few km from the start of the climb something happened to Landa (not Aru though). Tinkoff were at the front but could have been anyway due to wanting to position Contador - very narrow entry and start to climb.

Kreuziger strung it out but after only a very short while Contador went solo (softly) which was about 47km from the finish.

Aru AWOL when he should have been near Contador and would have been great if he got a minute on Landa.

Landa had to chase for the first 5km or so of the climb before he joined Landa's group.

calvjones

Never been my favourite, but cycling will be a sight duller after Bertie walks away.

rick_chasey

adr82 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So since I missed most of this - is this being described as payback because Contador attacked when he didn't need to?

Or is there an element I am missing?

There was at least one crash I think, which Landa seemed to be caught up in. He was certainly off the back somewhere when Contador kicked things off.

Ah, fair's fair.

Hopefully this illustrates to newcomers why the 'gentlemen's agreements' actually exist and it's not a moral thing - it's a fluid and self policing thing. You can ignore them, and sometimes it's worth it but don't expect to receive favours on the other side.

Valverde never does, and similarly he doesn't moan when rivals take advantage.

frenchfighter

Landa @ 5'15'' now.

inseine

Contadors lead seem to be slipping then went up again at the end, if the timings are to be believed.
Hope he hasn't done an Hinault and regret it tomorrow.

frenchfighter

@inrng · 6m 6 minutes ago
Contador and Hesjedal took 1.13 on their GC rivals
@millarmind David Millar retweeted the Inner Ring
They love a bike race

Nice move by Bongiorno at the end to take 2nd.

frenchfighter

1 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) BMC Racing Team 4:04:14
2 Francesco Bongiorno (Ita) Bardiani CSF 0:00:47
3 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) IAM Cycling 0:01:01
4 Matteo Busato (Ita) Southeast Pro Cycling
5 Amaël Moinard (Fra) BMC Racing Team
6 David De La Cruz (Spa) Etixx - Quick-Step
7 Rinaldo Nocentini (Ita) AG2R La Mondiale
8 Kanstantsin Siutsou (Blr) Team Sky
9 Chad Haga (USA) Team Giant-Alpecin 0:02:42
10 Pieter Weening (Ned) Orica GreenEdge 0:03:55

frenchfighter

@Contador_Notebk 8m8 minutes ago
Gilbert says, "This is the first time in a mountain stage that I've gotten to see Contador finish on TV."

Macaloon

Blue recovery tights and clashing kickers podium fiasco for Contador.

frenchfighter

Watch the climb here:
http://cyclinghub.tv/post?id=835

KRUIJSWIJK was right on he wheel at the beginning.

frenchfighter

General Classification after Stage 18
ESP 1 CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto (TINKOFF - SAXO) 72:23:09
ESP 2 LANDA MEANA, Mikel (ASTANA) + 5:15
ITA 3 ARU, Fabio (ASTANA) + 6:05
CRC 4 AMADOR BAKKAZAKOVA, Andrey (MOVISTAR) + 7:01
RUS 5 TROFIMOV, Yury (KATUSHA) + 9:40
CZE 6 KONIG, Leopold (SKY) + 10:44
ITA 7 CARUSO, Damiano (BMC RACING) + 11:05
NED 8 KRUIJSWIJK, Steven (LOTTO NL - JUMBO) + 12:53
CAN 9 HESJEDAL, Ryder (CANNONDALE - GARMIN) + 13:01
FRA 10 GENIEZ, Alexandre (FDJ) + 14:01
BEL 11 MONFORT, Maxime (LOTTO SOUDAL) + 15:17
BEL 12 VAN DEN BROECK, Jurgen (LOTTO SOUDAL) + 17:12

inseine

Not huge changes in the end


General classification after stage 18
1 Alberto Contador (Spa) Tinkoff-Saxo 72:23:09
2 Mikel Landa Meana (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:05:15
3 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:06:05
4 Andrey Amador (CRc) Movistar Team 0:07:01
5 Yury Trofimov (Rus) Team Katusha 0:09:40
6 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team Sky 0:10:44
7 Damiano Caruso (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:11:05
8 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Team LottoNL-Jumbo 0:12:53
9 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling Team 0:13:01
10 Alexandre Geniez (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:14:01

This is after yesterdays stage
1 Alberto Contador (Spa) Tinkoff-Saxo 68:12:50
2 Mikel Landa Meana (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:04:02
3 Fabio Aru (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:04:52
4 Andrey Amador (CRc) Movistar Team 0:05:48
5 Yury Trofimov (Rus) Team Katusha 0:08:27
6 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team Sky 0:09:31
7 Damiano Caruso (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:09:52
8 Steven Kruijswijk (Ned) Team LottoNL-Jumbo 0:11:40
9 Alexandre Geniez (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:12:48
10 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Cannondale-Garmin Pro Cycling Team 0:13:01

Crozza

What's Alberto's biggest previous margin of victory in a GT?

frenchfighter

Crozza wrote:

What's Alberto's biggest previous margin of victory in a GT?

6'10''

2011 Giro

FJS

Masterful display from Contador. Looking forward to him winning a stage the next few days.

It's somewhat encouraging to see that Astana seem to be fading towards the end of a three week grand tour

The_Boy

frenchfighter wrote:

Crozza wrote:

What's Alberto's biggest previous margin of victory in a GT?

6'10''

2011 Giro

The winning margin of that race was only 46 seconds.

rick_chasey

The_Boy wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Crozza wrote:

What's Alberto's biggest previous margin of victory in a GT?

6'10''

2011 Giro

The winning margin of that race was only 46 seconds.

Don't be a dick.

salsiccia1

I am DEFINITELY taking the Giro 3 weeks off next year. Can't have this again, missing all this great racing.

TheBigBean

Then 4m11s in the 2009 tour. Otherwise they've all been quite close.

The_Boy

Rick Chasey wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Crozza wrote:

What's Alberto's biggest previous margin of victory in a GT?

6'10''

2011 Giro

The winning margin of that race was only 46 seconds.

Don't be a dick.

Grow up.

rick_chasey

To clear up the confusion Anglo speakers seem to have about winning races and subsequent doping bans and retrospective win removals.

Armstrong won 7 Tours. He then had them taken away.

So he has gone through the process of winning, and so it is legitimate to say he has won them. Past tense.

He is not the winner of those 7 Tours however, since he has had those wins taken off him. Present tense.


Please understand that. Saying he did not win is stupid. I sat there for 21 weeks in front of the TV and watched him ride the entire course of all 7 Tours in a faster time than anyone else. He stood on the top step in Paris, received the jersey, and was proclaimed the winner.

Same with Contador.

mfin

Sorry Rick, you can say you sat there for 21 weeks in front of the TV to watch him cheat in order to ride them in a faster time than anyone else.

The past tense you mention of 'won them' is the stupid thing here when we know cheating was involved and the win was taken away.

You see it one way, other people see it a different way. Cheating in sport is disgusting in principle to anyone with a basic set of morals, and when it happens it deserves absolutely zero positive recognition.

Macaloon

FFS STFU. This is a great race. ^^^^ These are honking mouldy arguments.

TheBigBean

Personally, I think there is a big difference between the 2006 tour and the 2011 Giro. In one a rider turned up, won and was found to have done so using banned substances and therefore was disqualified. In the other, a rider with a valid licence turned up and won without any reasonable suspicion. Maybe in the future Contador will be re-instated as the 2011 winner, as he won it fair and square. Pretending a rider wasn't there really doesn't help anyone.

The_Boy

Rick Chasey wrote:

To clear up the confusion Anglo speakers seem to have

A sentence not best written in English. Added to which, by the standards I assume you are using, I'm no more an 'Anglo speaker' than you.

Either way, ff misses nary an opportunity to openly cast doping-related aspersions at anyone who finishes ahead of - or even threatens to finish ahead of - his favourite. Aside from the outright hypocrisy, in doing so he becomes an albatross round the neck of many a thread when he should be an asset. The Jose Rujano of cycling related bulletin boards, if you will. As long as he continues, I'm more than happy to take every opportunity to highlight that hypocrisy.

So perhaps you may wish to heed your own advice?