BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    The electorate has proven to be incapable of making an informed decision on Brexit
    I'm not sure it is fundamentally different from a general election in that respect.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The electorate has proven to be incapable of making an informed decision on Brexit
    I'm not sure it is fundamentally different from a general election in that respect.
    As proven with the last GE results.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
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    Definitely neck and neck but seems to be favouring remain... Hoping the poor London weather doesn't affect turnout too much.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The electorate has proven to be incapable of making an informed decision on Brexit
    I'm not sure it is fundamentally different from a general election in that respect.
    As proven with the last GE results.
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    CloZvsUXEAACVlf.jpg

    Definitely neck and neck but seems to be favouring remain... Hoping the poor London weather doesn't affect turnout too much.
    Or could Glasto be the deciding factor?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    Conspiracy theories are on the cards for tommorrow.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    I'm expecting a 55/45 Remain/Leave vote.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    Conspiracy theories are on the cards for tommorrow.
    No doubt. Especially if its a close one.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    What about the footy fans in France.... They're IN europe but they'll vote OUT of course.

    Work that one out.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    CloZvsUXEAACVlf.jpg

    Definitely neck and neck but seems to be favouring remain... Hoping the poor London weather doesn't affect turnout too much.
    Or could Glasto be the deciding factor?

    Could be, although I know 5 people who are at Glastonbury and they all already voted by postal vote.

    There's been quite a strong grassroots campaign to get young people to register and vote - my facebook is dominated by it at the moment (I'm 27 and have 2 younger brothers so a lot of younger people on my FB). I'm also doing a part time masters at Warwick and the SU has been very proactive in getting students signed up to vote from what I can tell. So I hope that the turnout amongst younger voters will be good. Certainly in the Scottish referendum (which I was also able to vote in :) ) the turnout among young people was quite high and this sort of vote seems to motivate more than a regular party political election. Just my opinion/view obviously.

    Apparently Newcastle had already had 81% of their postal votes returned by last night (equating to 32% the electorate) - I think turnout is going to be very high.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm expecting a 55/45 Remain/Leave vote.
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    Conspiracy theories are on the cards for tommorrow.
    No doubt. Especially if its a close one.

    A re-run of the Scottish referendum then!!!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm expecting a 55/45 Remain/Leave vote.
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    Conspiracy theories are on the cards for tommorrow.
    No doubt. Especially if its a close one.

    A re-run of the Scottish referendum then!!!
    Escpecially if it is 55% - 45%.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    PBlakeney wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    I'm expecting a 55/45 Remain/Leave vote.
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'll save the specifics for the other thread...although if you accept the principle of not allowing the electorate to vote on stuff they don't properly understand, then we may as well declare a dictatorship now.
    Conspiracy theories are on the cards for tommorrow.
    No doubt. Especially if its a close one.

    A re-run of the Scottish referendum then!!!
    Escpecially if it is 55% - 45%.

    Thats what I was getting at when I quoted bigbean as well ;)
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Thats what I was getting at when I quoted bigbean as well ;)
    :oops:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Bo Duke wrote:
    What about the footy fans in France.... They're IN europe but they'll vote OUT of course.

    Work that one out.
    I wouldn't worry. If they're overseas they can't vote in person: if they had a postal vote it required them to be able to sign their name, know their date of birth and stuff two envelopes in the right sequence.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Bo Duke wrote:
    What about the footy fans in France.... They're IN europe but they'll vote OUT of course.

    Work that one out.
    I wouldn't worry. If they're overseas they can't vote in person: if they had a postal vote it required them to be able to sign their name, know their date of birth and stuff two envelopes in the right sequence.

    that fact has really cheered me up
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I was expecting a high turn out but when I went to the polling station at 8.00am I was the only one in there. I thought there would have been a lot of people dropping in on their way to work. Quite worrying really as the out voters no doubt flocked there when they dragged themselves out of bed at 10.30 before heading off to Spoons ;)
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    How will the results be given? Will they be counted at constituency level and then declared as confirmed with a running total being shown or will everything just be counted and then a result given once all votes have been counted?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    by area (not sure if constituency) but the final result is the only one that matters obvs...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    But we'll have a rolling total so some idea of how things are likely to go before the final result?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    exactly...

    Buzzfeed did quite a good article on it but I can't get to it at work
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Pross wrote:
    How will the results be given? Will they be counted at constituency level and then declared as confirmed with a running total being shown or will everything just be counted and then a result given once all votes have been counted?


    there will be no exit polls or area results until after 10pm, as this could decide what folk may or may not vote or even bother too.
    Or this is how i understand a UK referendum works.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross wrote:
    How will the results be given? Will they be counted at constituency level and then declared as confirmed with a running total being shown or will everything just be counted and then a result given once all votes have been counted?

    Appropriately nobody seems to agree - I have seen as soon as 12:30 and as late as 4:00am
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Yeah, I assumed that would be the case. I'm not sure counting is even allowed to start until the polling stations shut is it?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Pross wrote:
    How will the results be given? Will they be counted at constituency level and then declared as confirmed with a running total being shown or will everything just be counted and then a result given once all votes have been counted?

    FT has a handy timeline - it's going to be by area with the first areas declaring just after midnight (Gibraltar and Scilly Isles).

    The result could become apparent by about 3.30am but if it is very very close it could be as late as 6am.

    The formal announcement will be made around breakfast time in manchester.

    EU referendum night: when will the result be known? - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/35f15744-37cd ... a8ee7.html

    Reporting by news organisations of exit polls or anything around campaigning is illegal while the polls are open (actually since 00:30 this morning until 22:00)
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Mr Goo wrote:

    The vote is not binding anyway Rick. The majority of the House of Commons is in the Remain camp including the illustrious Rt Hon Cameron. I do not think that implementing article 50 in the event of a Leave result will be straight forward as us Little Englanders imagine. As I have said before, I think that a narrow Leave victory will be declared indecisive.

    This post gives me great hope, the best outcome might be for a small majority for the Out camp then the government negotiate reforms within the EU then create the machinations that enables the UK to stay in.

    I don't care how it's done, but the EU must be forced to reform.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    How will the results be given? Will they be counted at constituency level and then declared as confirmed with a running total being shown or will everything just be counted and then a result given once all votes have been counted?


    there will be no exit polls or area results until after 10pm, as this could decide what folk may or may not vote or even bother too.
    Or this is how i understand a UK referendum works.

    However for £500,000 a bank or hedge fund can conduct it's own exit poll to get a competitive edge and bet accordingly.

    today the pound has hit a 6 month high and FTSE at a two month peak

    the health warning on this is that it is on low trading volumes and OUT voters are more likely to be out of bed later... on the upside they will now be safely in Wetherspoons/Yates until after the polls are shut
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Bo Duke wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:

    The vote is not binding anyway Rick. The majority of the House of Commons is in the Remain camp including the illustrious Rt Hon Cameron. I do not think that implementing article 50 in the event of a Leave result will be straight forward as us Little Englanders imagine. As I have said before, I think that a narrow Leave victory will be declared indecisive.

    This post gives me great hope, the best outcome might be for a small majority for the Out camp then the government negotiate reforms within the EU then create the machinations that enables the UK to stay in.

    I don't care how it's done, but the EU must be forced to reform.

    how can you not understand that this is not going to happen? who would you need to hear it from?
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Pross wrote:
    I was expecting a high turn out but when I went to the polling station at 8.00am I was the only one in there. I thought there would have been a lot of people dropping in on their way to work. Quite worrying really as the out voters no doubt flocked there when they dragged themselves out of bed at 10.30 before heading off to Spoons ;)

    And i was predicting a low turnout and on my 2 minute walk to the polling station I saw over a dozen people with voting cards and there were 6 more people in there.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    finchy wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    I was expecting a high turn out but when I went to the polling station at 8.00am I was the only one in there. I thought there would have been a lot of people dropping in on their way to work. Quite worrying really as the out voters no doubt flocked there when they dragged themselves out of bed at 10.30 before heading off to Spoons ;)

    And i was predicting a low turnout and on my 2 minute walk to the polling station I saw over a dozen people with voting cards and there were 6 more people in there.

    A mate of mine has been working outside a polling station in Newport all day and said that it has looked like they are giving away free beer in there by the numbers going in. I fear that may be bad news!