BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Jeffrey Donaldson has resigned as leader of the DUP with immediate effect due to his arrest for historic sex offences.
Yikes
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
On Good Friday too.
Ouch
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Is this a cunning plan? Or is it stopped-clock syndrome again? What was the question? I forget ..
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^ AI generated clickbait shite?
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Recommend the Political Currency podcast with Ed Balls& George Osborne 3 parter 'Inside the room' with Michael Gove discussing the lead up to the Brexit Referendum and the immediate days after
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Thanks to Stevo for the reminder...
Tories seem to have lost half of their 2019 Leave voters... one of many reasons they are toast. Still think that, in the longer term, the car-crash of Brexit has lanced the UK's euroboil.
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It's almost like they swallowed the narrative that it was the EU holding us back and to blame for all our woes and have been disillusioned that it has actually made very little positive difference to their lives.
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Interesting counterfactual question from Tim Shipman on the Q&A follow up episode
What plays out differently if Johnson becomes PM instead of May in 2016?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
This isn't the good news people might think. It is the EU trying to prevent bilateral deals and bring in a whole host of other conditions. That's a shame as working holiday visas are great.
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It isn't. Individual countries control their own work visas. Of course, the EU may want to regulate this as it does with many things.
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Collective bargaining to improve the terms of their trade is exactly the point.
The labour market is absolutely within the remit of the EU. Otherwise the whole discussion around free movement of labour would have been pointless during the brevity negotiations.
The objective is to do something that suits its members, not outsiders.
I appreciate you sympathise with the nat con premise that the world is better solved at national rather than international level, but like most Nat cons I think you underestimate the value of bargaining power and scale in that.
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And yet work visas are still national matters for the members of the EU which is why France and Canada have working holiday arrangements and why my right to work in any EU country varies between the countries.
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The EU can do as it wishes particularly if this is supported by the member states. That said, it seems a shame to me to make it harder for its young people to have a working holiday in the UK.
This is an area where the UK has historically been very good. It used to offer working holidays, without reciprocation, to any commonwealth country. This has now changed, but there are still 10 countries or so that can benefit from it. If I was in charge, I would extend that to include some EU countries (it already includes some EEA countries) and generally take the moral high ground.
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Taking the moral high ground is not a good negotiating position.
This is just another example of the advantages of collective bargaining and the UK getting pissy it can’t circumvent that and do things unilaterally (where they have more relative negotiating leverage).
It’s the equivalent of a boss getting annoyed with a labour union that she can’t negotiate compensation and benefits on an individual basis.
”but surely bespoke benefits packages that are aligned with individual needs is more effective? Why does the single able bodies male employee care about maternity leave or disability provisions? If only I could negotiate these individually with employees”
yeah good luck.
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It's not a negotiation that has meaningful impact on the country. For example, 1,000 Koreans are eligible every year for the visa. It's just a nice thing to arrange and the UK has a history of doing this.
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Incidentally, and making a sweeping generalisation, I find your attitude far more common amongst my continental European clients. One recently scoffed at me ("Why would they [other side] agree to do that?") when I suggested changing a signed contract. "Because we'll ask nicely", I said. They agreed to the proposed changes without too much fuss. Not everyone needs a pound of flesh.
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When you’re representing the interests of millions of people, niceties matter less.
When I'm negotiating terms with a client I'll be working with closely for the next however many weeks and months, of course goodwill is important - they need to want to work with you.
I think that's a whole lot less relevant when you're representing a country and its interests.
In general I think our differences of opinion on this reflect the underlying fundamental difference between the new left and right globally, which is the idea that the world's problems are better solved at a national level or at an international level.
I think a lot of the nat con thinking boils down to that.
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You're overthinking it.
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I get the feeling that this is a broader positioning on the part of the EU. They know a Labour govt. is coming and they are testing the water to move back towards closer long term ties. It is notable that it is a scheme directed towards young people. I think this is cleverly calculated, old Brexiters won't care as it does not impact them, and young people are more likely long term Labour voters and the generation that will replace boomers and want back in to EU membership long term.
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Complaining the EU won't do a "nice gentleman's agreement" is a bit like complaining that professional footballers are too competitive.
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I complained that the UK (not the EU) doesn't just take the moral high ground. It has done this for other countries and has a history of doing so on this point.
If the EU wants to tie itself in unnecessary knots, then that is entirely up to them.
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Labour have already stated they don't have any interest in the EU's proposal.
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I was talking about the EU's intention behind it.
I would also take everything Labour say on the EU with a mountain of salt. The aren't going to say anything on the EU to upset the Status Quo, they want Brexit voting Labour supporters back and to attract undecided centre right Tories. Starmer has kept very quiet on future EU relations for good reason. Don't expect he will stick to that once in power.
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uk moral high ground
hilarious
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The UK does well in some things. For example, it's very difficult for the UK to deport people to Rwanda whereas the EU manages to deport people to Turkey in similar circumstances.
You seem to be blinded by hate.
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