BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • I think the Uk knew very early that they were fooked on gaining anything for FS and so have rightly not wasted time on a dead end. I suspect that the lack of chatter about automotive means that industry is screwed as well.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Doesn't need to be a single city for it to hurt London.
    Not as simple as that. A serious competitor needs the skillbase, the infrastructure, the attraction for senior FS types to want to live there, a reasonably business friendly environment etc. Any suggestions?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707

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    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Not everything is binary, if half a dozen cities kept chipping chunks they would be happy.

    Do you think the creation of the SM was good for the City?
    See reply to RJS above.

    The SM helped the EU part if the City's business, but as mentioned, look at the bigger picture: the City is a global fonancial centre (arguably the largest) and the EU market is not a massive part of that (and shrinking in relative terms).
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Doesn't need to be a single city for it to hurt London.
    It's kind of tricky if you need to go to multiple cities. You can argue that everyone is working remotely so it doesn't matter, but it is still multiple legal jurisdictions. If you want to use common law, then you need to go to Ireland (and probably borrow UK lawyers), but then Ireland doesn't have the equity, so you'd have to go elsewhere for that (usually a big City, like London, so who knows where now), you could then borrow money from a nice lender again not in Ireland (so let's say Germany, regulated by Germany), maybe you fancy a swap or some other derivative which will now clear in France (under French rules) using an Irish law ISDA. When you've finished all that you'll need some tax advice due to all the cross border trade and the complete lack of any consistent rules in the EU. Alternatively, you could go to a one stop shop like London, New York, Singapore etc.

    As you say, everyone can lose. There doesn't have to be a winner. I'm sure someone could spin it as expansion in cross-border tax and compliance advice.
    Well, you know where you need to go to get that.
    Sadly I'm not an advisor. I have advisors though.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,682
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Doesn't need to be a single city for it to hurt London.
    It's kind of tricky if you need to go to multiple cities. You can argue that everyone is working remotely so it doesn't matter, but it is still multiple legal jurisdictions. If you want to use common law, then you need to go to Ireland (and probably borrow UK lawyers), but then Ireland doesn't have the equity, so you'd have to go elsewhere for that (usually a big City, like London, so who knows where now), you could then borrow money from a nice lender again not in Ireland (so let's say Germany, regulated by Germany), maybe you fancy a swap or some other derivative which will now clear in France (under French rules) using an Irish law ISDA. When you've finished all that you'll need some tax advice due to all the cross border trade and the complete lack of any consistent rules in the EU. Alternatively, you could go to a one stop shop like London, New York, Singapore etc.

    As you say, everyone can lose. There doesn't have to be a winner. I'm sure someone could spin it as expansion in cross-border tax and compliance advice.
    Well, you know where you need to go to get that.
    Sadly I'm not an advisor. I have advisors though.
    I meant London as opposed to somewhere in the EU.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Doesn't need to be a single city for it to hurt London.
    It's kind of tricky if you need to go to multiple cities. You can argue that everyone is working remotely so it doesn't matter, but it is still multiple legal jurisdictions. If you want to use common law, then you need to go to Ireland (and probably borrow UK lawyers), but then Ireland doesn't have the equity, so you'd have to go elsewhere for that (usually a big City, like London, so who knows where now), you could then borrow money from a nice lender again not in Ireland (so let's say Germany, regulated by Germany), maybe you fancy a swap or some other derivative which will now clear in France (under French rules) using an Irish law ISDA. When you've finished all that you'll need some tax advice due to all the cross border trade and the complete lack of any consistent rules in the EU. Alternatively, you could go to a one stop shop like London, New York, Singapore etc.

    As you say, everyone can lose. There doesn't have to be a winner. I'm sure someone could spin it as expansion in cross-border tax and compliance advice.
    Well, you know where you need to go to get that.
    Sadly I'm not an advisor. I have advisors though.
    I meant London as opposed to somewhere in the EU.
    Fair enough.

    Rendering tax advice re one country from another country has never been difficult as you probably know.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,755
    edited November 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    FWIW there is a steady drip of this stuff in the trade press

    Which EU based global city do you think will take the crown?
    Doesn't need to be a single city for it to hurt London.
    Not as simple as that. A serious competitor needs the skillbase, the infrastructure, the attraction for senior FS types to want to live there, a reasonably business friendly environment etc. Any suggestions?
    I'm suggesting that some of that volume of trade will just cease to exist when it is no longer profitable, rather than it moving somewhere else. Whether that's the EU's fault or ours is rather beside the point.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,682
    EU commission response to letter

    “We can confirm receipt of a letter from the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland on the issue of agri-food goods brought into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. We will reply to this letter shortly.

    “We are aware, of course, of the concerns raised regarding supermarkets and the import of food products into Northern Ireland.

    “We take this issue very seriously – in the same way that we are taking very seriously every single issue regarding Northern Ireland.

    “We are currently exploring all options available under EU law. Discussions on this will continue with our UK counterparts in the Joint Committee and the relevant Specialised Committee.”

    This is being reported as either a positive development as they are taking it seriously or a slap down due to the last paragraph.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 27,755
    His Twitter handle is a little poorly chosen. 😏
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,857
    rjsterry said:

    His Twitter handle is a little poorly chosen. 😏

    I think that it is perfect. A 3 word phrase, concise and to the point.
    That we can laugh at it is the cream on top. 🤣🤣🤣
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  • pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    His Twitter handle is a little poorly chosen. 😏

    I think that it is perfect. A 3 word phrase, concise and to the point.
    That we can laugh at it is the cream on top. 🤣🤣🤣
    And he has an interwebs awarded doctorate achieved in 36hrs. From a collage! This guy is mighty clever.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,396

    EU commission response to letter

    “We can confirm receipt of a letter from the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland on the issue of agri-food goods brought into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. We will reply to this letter shortly.

    “We are aware, of course, of the concerns raised regarding supermarkets and the import of food products into Northern Ireland.

    “We take this issue very seriously – in the same way that we are taking very seriously every single issue regarding Northern Ireland.

    “We are currently exploring all options available under EU law. Discussions on this will continue with our UK counterparts in the Joint Committee and the relevant Specialised Committee.”

    This is being reported as either a positive development as they are taking it seriously or a slap down due to the last paragraph.

    I could mention that one of the Customs Agent jobs I applied for on Wednesday has been offered, without interview, to me already...

    Region?

    Northern Ireland.

    Covering Customs forms between The United Kingdom and...The United Kingdom...

    Yay Us!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,811
    Ahahahaha mate you going for it?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,396
    I think I have to give the Mountain Lifestyle one last try. If it comes off it's literally double the money for a job I like, I'm good at and is in a place I love.

    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    I suspect I'm just going to pi$$ my savings away and get into an even worse position than now but...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,316
    edited November 2020
    ddraver said:

    EU commission response to letter

    “We can confirm receipt of a letter from the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland on the issue of agri-food goods brought into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. We will reply to this letter shortly.

    “We are aware, of course, of the concerns raised regarding supermarkets and the import of food products into Northern Ireland.

    “We take this issue very seriously – in the same way that we are taking very seriously every single issue regarding Northern Ireland.

    “We are currently exploring all options available under EU law. Discussions on this will continue with our UK counterparts in the Joint Committee and the relevant Specialised Committee.”

    This is being reported as either a positive development as they are taking it seriously or a slap down due to the last paragraph.

    I could mention that one of the Customs Agent jobs I applied for on Wednesday has been offered, without interview, to me already...

    Region?

    Northern Ireland.

    Covering Customs forms between The United Kingdom and...The United Kingdom...

    Yay Us!!
    Be money for old rope. Johnson said they could put those forms in the bin.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,709
    ddraver said:

    I think I have to give the Mountain Lifestyle one last try. If it comes off it's literally double the money for a job I like, I'm good at and is in a place I love.

    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    I suspect I'm just going to pi$$ my savings away and get into an even worse position than now but...

    Take the customs job too, they probably won't notice you aren't doing anything.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,396
    edited November 2020
    I think I might tell them I'm going to take it whilst waiting and seeing...

    (has anyone heard of HGS? Their website suggests they're huge but is curiously vague on what they actually do!)

    (Edit - although I've just found something that, if true, is going to kill the Mountain Lifestyle Career stone dead so...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,952
    edited November 2020
    ddraver said:

    EU commission response to letter

    “We can confirm receipt of a letter from the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland on the issue of agri-food goods brought into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. We will reply to this letter shortly.

    “We are aware, of course, of the concerns raised regarding supermarkets and the import of food products into Northern Ireland.

    “We take this issue very seriously – in the same way that we are taking very seriously every single issue regarding Northern Ireland.

    “We are currently exploring all options available under EU law. Discussions on this will continue with our UK counterparts in the Joint Committee and the relevant Specialised Committee.”

    This is being reported as either a positive development as they are taking it seriously or a slap down due to the last paragraph.

    I could mention that one of the Customs Agent jobs I applied for on Wednesday has been offered, without interview, to me already...

    Region?

    Northern Ireland.

    Covering Customs forms between The United Kingdom and...The United Kingdom...

    Yay Us!!


    Work hard, keep your head down and you might get a transfer to the England /Kent border.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,396
    So totally insane isnt it...

    And almost no one knows it's coming!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 18,952

    EU commission response to letter

    “We can confirm receipt of a letter from the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland on the issue of agri-food goods brought into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK. We will reply to this letter shortly.

    “We are aware, of course, of the concerns raised regarding supermarkets and the import of food products into Northern Ireland.

    “We take this issue very seriously – in the same way that we are taking very seriously every single issue regarding Northern Ireland.

    “We are currently exploring all options available under EU law. Discussions on this will continue with our UK counterparts in the Joint Committee and the relevant Specialised Committee.”

    This is being reported as either a positive development as they are taking it seriously or a slap down due to the last paragraph.

    The perfect response.
    Something for everyone :)
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,578
    Pross said:

    ddraver said:

    I think I have to give the Mountain Lifestyle one last try. If it comes off it's literally double the money for a job I like, I'm good at and is in a place I love.

    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    I suspect I'm just going to pi$$ my savings away and get into an even worse position than now but...

    Take the customs job too, they probably won't notice you aren't doing anything.
    ^^^this
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707
    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,811
    edited November 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    Don't be such a condescending pr!ck
  • Is the magic money tree paying for all these customs officials?
  • Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    Don't be such a condescending pr!ck
    Definitely one for the irony thread...
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    Don't be such a condescending pr!ck
    Stop looking in the mirror Rick :)

    Do you believe that's true?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,811
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    Don't be such a condescending pr!ck
    Stop looking in the mirror Rick :)

    Do you believe that's true?
    I've met DD in person. He's a good bloke and well qualified and he's got really unlucky that the industries he's gone into, which are good industries, have been hit by massive shocks.

    Just don't think taking the p!ss out of that and people's careers is what good people do.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 58,707

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:



    To be honest, losing it because 52% of Britons don't like brown people would be devastating so I have to try.

    Do you really believe that?

    Also the point that your career is potentially being salvaged because of Brexit might be one for the irony thread ;)
    Don't be such a condescending pr!ck
    Stop looking in the mirror Rick :)

    Do you believe that's true?
    I've met DD in person. He's a good bloke and well qualified and he's got really unlucky that the industries he's gone into, which are good industries, have been hit by massive shocks.

    Just don't think taking the p!ss out of that and people's careers is what good people do.
    He brought it up, together with a statement about 52% of the population apparently being racist.

    I'll ask again, what are your thoughts on his statement about brown people?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]