BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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😂😂mrb123 said:Boris to say no way to any further Scottish independence referendum.
Wee Jimmy presses on regardless.
We end up with a Catalonia style situation with all the SNP top brass locked up for sedition.
Sturgeon and Salmond both behind bars for Christmas 2020 (obviously for different reasons)Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
There won't be a second independence referendum any time soon. She'll ask for one, he will say no, and they will spend the next 5 years complaining about it until the next GE. Having an unofficial referendum would be very bad for them on several fronts, one is that unionists will boycott it, and the other is that if unionists did turn out they probably wont win it. They are much better off waiting until they are allowed a proper one, and in the meantime spending 5 years trying to make their case again.0
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Just FYI she has already ruled out an unofficial referendum so it will be 5 years of whinging.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
that doesn't work - why would Boris be knocking on the door he is on the inside of and why would Corbyn (haha spellcheck tries to change corbyn to corncob!) answer it if he is on the outside?shortfall said:
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More like one where a partner has been used and abused and you now want to throw them aside as they're not as attractive. A large part of the countries industrial wealth was built on the natural resources of Scotland and Wales and more recently from the revenue of Scottish oil fields. Now they can't give you what you want anymore you'd like to cast them aside, why am I not surprised?mr_goo said:
I'd actually like to see a UK wide referendum on Scottish independence.Stevo_666 said:
I dont think Boris has any need to give Wee Jimmy Krankie another 'once in a generation' independence vote less than 5 years after the last one. Scotland is coming with us...rick_chasey said:Presumably the SNP vote means Scotland ref is on the cards.
The union is like an old stale marriage where one partner is the fit and healthy main bread winner and the other suffers from alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. I know what I'd do in that situation.
I'm not convinced that the financial powerhouse of Dorset contributes much to the UK's GDP so maybe we should cut them loose too? They can get by on income from offshore wind farms.2 -
The FPTP system really does throw up odd results. In 2017 the Tories increased vote share to their highest since 1983 but lost seats, this time a 1% increase in share gives them massive gains, Lib Dem increase vote share from 8% to 12% but lose a seat and the Greens lose their seat with an increase in share. I can understand the SNP discrepancy between vote share and seats as their vote is so concentrated.
That said PR is a bit of a chicken and egg thing as I don't think our current party system is set up well for coalition Governments. Even on these results the Tories might have struggled to get a working coalition together but long term it would probably bring a wider spectrum of smaller parties.0 -
Yep, we need to follow the European model on that onemrb123 said:Boris to say no way to any further Scottish independence referendum.
Wee Jimmy presses on regardless.
We end up with a Catalonia style situation with all the SNP top brass locked up for sedition.
Sturgeon and Salmond both behind bars for Christmas 2020 (obviously for different reasons)
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
LD voters were disaffected Tories. Labour voters were similar to last time.kingstongraham said:
Lost by 4,000 with labour taking 11,000.TheBlueBean said:Chuka put up a better fight than I expected, but still lost.
Next door, Emma Dent Coad lost by 120, with lib Dems taking 9,000.
If only there had been some way of predicting this kind of thing could happen.0 -
I'm guessing there won't be a second referendum now?
Glad to see Corbyn lose but can't get enthusiastic about Boris the Clown being our PM.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
If there is one thing we have learnt in the last 3.5 years it is that net recipients want to cut away other net recipients. To me that makes more sense than the fact that many second generation immigrants are tougher on immigration than others.Pross said:
More like one where a partner has been used and abused and you now want to throw them aside as they're not as attractive. A large part of the countries industrial wealth was built on the natural resources of Scotland and Wales and more recently from the revenue of Scottish oil fields. Now they can't give you what you want anymore you'd like to cast them aside, why am I not surprised?mr_goo said:
I'd actually like to see a UK wide referendum on Scottish independence.Stevo_666 said:
I dont think Boris has any need to give Wee Jimmy Krankie another 'once in a generation' independence vote less than 5 years after the last one. Scotland is coming with us...rick_chasey said:Presumably the SNP vote means Scotland ref is on the cards.
The union is like an old stale marriage where one partner is the fit and healthy main bread winner and the other suffers from alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. I know what I'd do in that situation.
I'm not convinced that the financial powerhouse of Dorset contributes much to the UK's GDP so maybe we should cut them loose too? They can get by on income from offshore wind farms.0 -
As mentioned above, a 1.2% increase in the tory vote has resulted in a majority of almost 80. Incredible. The Labour party made themselves pretty much unelectable.
I do wonder about those in traditional labour communities who switched to the Tories. Turkey's voting for Christmas springs to mind.0 -
Still heartwarming seeing people clinging onto 'the electorate are stupid and we know better' line.elbowloh said:As mentioned above, a 1.2% increase in the tory vote has resulted in a majority of almost 80. Incredible. The Labour party made themselves pretty much unelectable.
I do wonder about those in traditional labour communities who switched to the Tories. Turkey's voting for Christmas springs to mind."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Sorry, I thought you maybe hadn't had enough coffee yet this morningLongshot said:
Clearly I need more coffee... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Pross said:
More like one where a partner has been used and abused and you now want to throw them aside as they're not as attractive. A large part of the countries industrial wealth was built on the natural resources of Scotland and Wales and more recently from the revenue of Scottish oil fields. Now they can't give you what you want anymore you'd like to cast them aside, why am I not surprised?mr_goo said:
I'd actually like to see a UK wide referendum on Scottish independence.Stevo_666 said:
I dont think Boris has any need to give Wee Jimmy Krankie another 'once in a generation' independence vote less than 5 years after the last one. Scotland is coming with us...rick_chasey said:Presumably the SNP vote means Scotland ref is on the cards.
The union is like an old stale marriage where one partner is the fit and healthy main bread winner and the other suffers from alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. I know what I'd do in that situation.
I'm not convinced that the financial powerhouse of Dorset contributes much to the UK's GDP so maybe we should cut them loose too? They can get by on income from offshore wind farms.
But it isn't England actively campaigning to have Scotland break away, it is the other way round.0 -
kingstonian said:Pross said:
More like one where a partner has been used and abused and you now want to throw them aside as they're not as attractive. A large part of the countries industrial wealth was built on the natural resources of Scotland and Wales and more recently from the revenue of Scottish oil fields. Now they can't give you what you want anymore you'd like to cast them aside, why am I not surprised?mr_goo said:
I'd actually like to see a UK wide referendum on Scottish independence.Stevo_666 said:
I dont think Boris has any need to give Wee Jimmy Krankie another 'once in a generation' independence vote less than 5 years after the last one. Scotland is coming with us...rick_chasey said:Presumably the SNP vote means Scotland ref is on the cards.
The union is like an old stale marriage where one partner is the fit and healthy main bread winner and the other suffers from alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. I know what I'd do in that situation.
I'm not convinced that the financial powerhouse of Dorset contributes much to the UK's GDP so maybe we should cut them loose too? They can get by on income from offshore wind farms.
But it isn't England actively campaigning to have Scotland break away, it is the other way round.
But, frankly, I've always been for Scottish Independence just because I wouldn't have to keep listening to Jimmy Krankie keep bleating on about it.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
All this talk of Scottish independence raises the old question of why the Darien scheme is not taught in schools0
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It's based on Johnson not caring really, and accepting whatever is easiest to get from the EU and selling it as leaving because he doesn't need the headbangers. I did hear someone from the Conservatives saying earlier today that after 31st Jan we will have left, so Brexit will have been delivered whatever comes afterwards.rick_chasey said:Don’t understand the “now we will have a soft Brexit” analysis.
Surely it’s the opposite.
Probably misguided but possible.0 -
I haven’t paid close attention to the headbangers who are left in but I thought all the grown ups had left and all that remained were headbangers or people who are happy to go along with them.0
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This is true, but the hope is that the "go with the flow" people have no principles, and also Johnson has no principles. It's all great.rick_chasey said:I haven’t paid close attention to the headbangers who are left in but I thought all the grown ups had left and all that remained were headbangers or people who are happy to go along with them.
Unfortunately, it ignores the fact that since they have no principles, they'll probably just crash us out and blame Europe for the mess.0 -
That's a good enough reason.Longshot said:kingstonian said:Pross said:
More like one where a partner has been used and abused and you now want to throw them aside as they're not as attractive. A large part of the countries industrial wealth was built on the natural resources of Scotland and Wales and more recently from the revenue of Scottish oil fields. Now they can't give you what you want anymore you'd like to cast them aside, why am I not surprised?mr_goo said:
I'd actually like to see a UK wide referendum on Scottish independence.Stevo_666 said:
I dont think Boris has any need to give Wee Jimmy Krankie another 'once in a generation' independence vote less than 5 years after the last one. Scotland is coming with us...rick_chasey said:Presumably the SNP vote means Scotland ref is on the cards.
The union is like an old stale marriage where one partner is the fit and healthy main bread winner and the other suffers from alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. I know what I'd do in that situation.
I'm not convinced that the financial powerhouse of Dorset contributes much to the UK's GDP so maybe we should cut them loose too? They can get by on income from offshore wind farms.
But it isn't England actively campaigning to have Scotland break away, it is the other way round.
But, frankly, I've always been for Scottish Independence just because I wouldn't have to keep listening to Jimmy Krankie keep bleating on about it."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Indeed and I've always found that confusing given the SNP position on the 2 issues. Dislike of the English is powerful.rick_chasey said:The logic for Scottish separation from U.K. is very close to Brexit logic.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Of course the Nats get very upset if you say it, but I've always thought the distance between Sturgeon and Farage is not that great. Nationalism has the same ugliness just under the surface whatever the superficial differences.rick_chasey said:The logic for Scottish separation from U.K. is very close to Brexit logic.
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She doesn’t necessarily come with the xenophobic tendencies however. Which is quite a big difference.bompington said:
Of course the Nats get very upset if you say it, but I've always thought the distance between Sturgeon and Farage is not that great. Nationalism has the same ugliness just under the surface whatever the superficial differences.rick_chasey said:The logic for Scottish separation from U.K. is very close to Brexit logic.
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You can only judge Johnson by his actions as his words are all over the place. When it came down to it he didn't take us out without a deal. He's also not beholden to the headbangers anymore. But who knows? He's told so many lies nobody knows where his true beliefs lie.rick_chasey said:Don’t understand the “now we will have a soft Brexit” analysis.
Surely it’s the opposite.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Have you ever tried being English in Scotland? Like I said, superficially it's different, but underneath, xenophobia of one sort or another is the defining feature of nationalism.rick_chasey said:
She doesn’t necessarily come with the xenophobic tendencies however. Which is quite a big difference.bompington said:
Of course the Nats get very upset if you say it, but I've always thought the distance between Sturgeon and Farage is not that great. Nationalism has the same ugliness just under the surface whatever the superficial differences.rick_chasey said:The logic for Scottish separation from U.K. is very close to Brexit logic.
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