BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
I think you Corbyn supporters are the only ones who still think it's possible that Labour might get a majority on their own.Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
Any Brexit that a Labour government did put to the vote would be quite different to that currently on offer, due to their different approaches to red lines. As Johnson proved, if you abandon some red lines, the deal can be changed.0 -
The random way this site now does quoting is annoying.0
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Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit
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A few of us ex-Tory voters might though.0
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"You've taken my phone and put it in your pocket, prime minister."
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Meh, nothing there to show he grabbed it rather than was handed it to look at and then put it in his own pocket. The bigger worry is how easily he deflected the question away from the issue and got back to delivering his Brexit message.0
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He really doesn't like it when people don't like him, does he?
The look of almost panic as he scrambled to get get back to nice, comfortable Brexit bulls***, rather than all that unpleasantness of actual people lying on hospital floors.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.coopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I was making a hypothetical point to Brian...the leftie losers will likely still be leftie losers on Friday morning.kingstongraham said:Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
I think you Corbyn supporters are the only ones who still think it's possible that Labour might get a majority on their own.Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
Any Brexit that a Labour government did put to the vote would be quite different to that currently on offer, due to their different approaches to red lines. As Johnson proved, if you abandon some red lines, the deal can be changed."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's the best you two can do?Stevo_666 said:
As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.coopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit
You still haven't explained John Major, either, Stevo. Not a real Tory?0 -
Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.
Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.
Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.
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Maybe you need to rethink your preconceptions.Stevo_666 said:
As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.coopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit
On the tactical voting side, this somewhat counters your earlier post on the subject.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Simon_Nixon/status/12039832214463242241985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It probably shows how emotive a subject Brexit is and how it can cloud judgment. You've also demonstrated this very well with your posts above.briantrumpet said:
That's the best you two can do?Stevo_666 said:
As mentioned above, he has never sounded like a conservative voter. But good spot.coopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit
You still haven't explained John Major, either, Stevo. Not a real Tory?
Worth mentioning that Tiny Blair has done the same by advising peope not to vote for Labour, although not over Brexit.
So Brian, do tell us: why did you vote conservative for all those years?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yep. Saw that too.rick_chasey said:Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.
Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.
Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Did it go down in the last two years because of Brexit inflation?rjsterry said:
Yep. Saw that too.rick_chasey said:Have to say, the arrogance of British leaders when they talk about how *great* the U.K. is whilst refusing to acknowledge that their basic sh!t isn’t together, like kids not having beds when in hospital, really does boil my p!ss.
Hard not to blame Tory voters when they vote for leaders who’s record on this stuff is so obvious.
Also, for whenever we were discussing pensions. This chart made my jaw drop.
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Has The Mirror/Labour today alienated the whole of the medical profession with their latest fakenews slur?
It's starting to look like it...0 -
When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely0
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No deal and blame the EU for it was my conclusion a while ago. Not seen anything since to make me rethink that.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.surrey_commuter said:When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Your bridge is calling. There's goats coming.coopster_the_1st said:Has The Mirror/Labour today alienated the whole of the medical profession with their latest fakenews slur?
It's starting to look like it...You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551rjsterry said:
Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.surrey_commuter said:When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely
Pretty unequivocal.0 -
welcome backcoopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit0 -
welcome backcoopster_the_1st said:
Stevo,Stevo_666 said:
So you might vote Labour, get a hard left socialist government with all the downsides that entails and possibly also get Brexit? Hmmm...briantrumpet said:
And that's where we differ, for the reasons I've stated earlier: I think the consequences of a Tory Brexit are potentially worse, for the country I want to see, and longer lasting.Stevo_666 said:
I understand the strong feelings but not the fact that you are prepared to vote for something worse in order to stop it. As mentioned above, in your own words you are prepared to vote for a loon. Try to look at more rationally as others (such as me) who voted remain are doingbriantrumpet said:
You really don't understand why anyone would be so strongly opposed to Brexit, especially as it might be pushed through by the Tories, do you?Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to move - your feelings on Brexit are so strong that you are prepared to vote for someone who in your own words is a 'loon' in order to stop it. You talk about it as if it is a logical thing to do, but to many it will simply look like you have lost the plot.briantrumpet said:It's all a question of perspective, is it you that's moving... or not?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXDYJldnSgs
Your cure is worse than the problem. And there's no guarantee that they would cure it as the outcome of any second referendum is far from clear.
If you want to see the UK move in the direction of the US, then I can see why you'd want to be free of the restrictions that being part of the EU entails. That's not the country I want to see.
Neither, it seems, do John Major or Ken Clarke.
He is trolling/lying to you. He is a Corbyn fanboi. No remainer Conservative would use term 'Tory Brexit' to describe Brexit0 -
He was unequivocal about stopping a third runway at Heathrow; leaving the EU by 31st October; not requesting an A50 extension. The deal he has agreed with the EU requires checks. NI knows this. It's the most transparent of his lies.surrey_commuter said:
From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551rjsterry said:
Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.surrey_commuter said:When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely
Pretty unequivocal.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Come Friday there's going to be a lot of you soft city boys crying when we have a government that really cares about the people.
straight off pay rise for me and every year after above inflation. The SNP will bolster our numbers and the nasty tories will never have the opportunity to enslave the country again.0 -
Boris doesn't care about the people and he's not giving you a pay rise.tubelessrocks said:Come Friday there's going to be a lot of you soft city boys crying when we have a government that really cares about the people.
straight off pay rise for me and every year after above inflation. The SNP will bolster our numbers and the nasty tories will never have the opportunity to enslave the country again.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Clearly that's what Johnson is hoping.rick_chasey said:No one in England cares.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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he might still stop a 3rd runwayrjsterry said:
He was unequivocal about stopping a third runway at Heathrow; leaving the EU by 31st October; not requesting an A50 extension. The deal he has agreed with the EU requires checks. NI knows this. It's the most transparent of his lies.surrey_commuter said:
From the horses mouth - https://news.sky.com/video/johnson-denies-labour-claim-about-brexit-northern-ireland-border-checks-11879551rjsterry said:
Finds out? Are you suggesting that he or anyone in the Conservative party doesn't already know this? NI has been pushed firmly under the bus; the idea that this happened by mistake or without anyone realising is absurd.surrey_commuter said:When Boris finds out his deal puts a border between NI and GB will he vote against his own deal? Without him promoting it surely it will fail to pass, then where does it leave us? Presumably revert to type and blame those pesky Europeans. I reckon it makes no deal more likely
Pretty unequivocal.
31st of October was not his promise to make
It is a historical fact that he has agreed a deal including a customs border between NI and GB. It is also a fact that most MPs have no idea about the next phase of Brexit. Why is it so unlikely that he has no idea what he has agreed to? does he look like a man with a close command over the detail?0 -
Is it that hard to concede that BoJo got a better deal than the previous ones? It has been approved by Trimble and retains a democratic ability to leave. That ability will influence discussions over what checks are required.
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