Greg Henderson just accused Fabio Aru of doping on Twitter!

rick_chasey

Not an official googlewhack however.

Paul 8v

How come? (I'm not up on the Google whack rules obviously!)

mididoctors

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm annoyed tbh. (within the context of this, which, compared to actual annoyances, is fairly small....)

I'm fairly meh about doping, but even I like the illusion of of clean racing. No-one likes cheating if you can see it.

When the guys get busted afterwards at least I had the illusion it was all OK when i was watching it. When I find out later on I don't care too much usually, because I've already had my fun with that race. Sure if there's a monumental performance I'll want to google I'd rather it be clean, but you know what I mean.

Now I have the worst of both worlds. Aru will still be racing, but I'll sit there thinking he's cheating.

get involved in mentoring young riders who want to make it as pros...I would guess this whatever attitude of yours would change real quick. moreover the ability to compartmentalise so your viewing pleasure is unaffected will never materialise now. it will always comes out messy these days.

rick_chasey

Paul 8v wrote:

How come? (I'm not up on the Google whack rules obviously!)

Gotta be actual legitimate words. Ian4for isn't.


And FWIW, it now brings up 2 results as google has indexed the thread

rick_chasey

mididoctors wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm annoyed tbh. (within the context of this, which, compared to actual annoyances, is fairly small....)

I'm fairly meh about doping, but even I like the illusion of of clean racing. No-one likes cheating if you can see it.

When the guys get busted afterwards at least I had the illusion it was all OK when i was watching it. When I find out later on I don't care too much usually, because I've already had my fun with that race. Sure if there's a monumental performance I'll want to google I'd rather it be clean, but you know what I mean.

Now I have the worst of both worlds. Aru will still be racing, but I'll sit there thinking he's cheating.

get involved in mentoring young riders who want to make it as pros...I would guess this whatever attitude of yours would change real quick. moreover the ability to compartmentalise so your viewing pleasure is unaffected will never materialise now. it will always comes out messy these days.

Probably. We all know doping's bad right? Don't think anyone, even me, is disputing that.

Point stands though. What's the point? Aru's still gonna ride.

Elfed

Why is GH turning out to be the villain in this thread???

Surely we all know that when professional sportsmen speak out like this there's usually some evidence?

The rest is a Clinic matter.

rick_chasey

Elfed wrote:

Why is GH turning out to be the villain in this thread???

Surely we all know that when professional sportsmen speak out like this there's usually some evidence?

Ah, the daily mail "no smoke without fire" argument.

If Greg's serious about this he should be working closely with the authorities.

It's not up to riders to single people out. Otherwise you'd just point the finger at any big rival at a time most inconvenient to them.

Aru will still ride so nothing has been achieved by going onto Twitter.

frenchfighter

So looks like Aru's lawyers are definitely sueing which is good news. Hopefully the UCI also fine Greg.

dolan_driver

frenchfighter wrote:

So looks like Aru's lawyers are definitely sueing which is good news.

It won't be good news if it turns out Aru is a doper. There may be no evidence in the public domain yet but it is doubtful that Henderson would have said what he did say without there being plenty of strong suspicion within the peloton. A foolish action by Henderson, from a legal point of view, but perhaps he is correct in what he is saying. Time will tell..........

DD.

The_Boy

Henderson is only marginally less bad than the fucknuggets on the tweeters.

LeePaton

Talk up, Stay quiet... Can we all come to an agreement on what the protocol; should be for Pros when they know something we don't or isn't in the open yet?

Can't remember this reaction when Kittel called out the Turk riders...

adr82

LeePaton wrote:

Talk up, Stay quiet... Can we all come to an agreement on what the protocol; should be for Pros when they know something we don't or isn't in the open yet?

Wikileaks! Then we can just have an anonymous free-for-all...

The_Boy

LeePaton wrote:

Can't remember this reaction when Kittel called out the Turk riders...

Which reaction would that be? The reactions on this thread have been many and varied, as I'm sure they were when Kittel called out the Torku team.

Pross

OnYourRight wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

There may be no evidence in the public domain yet but it is doubtful that Henderson would have said what he did say without there being plenty of strong suspicion within the peloton.

Suspicion, no matter how strong, doesn’t justify Henderson’s statement. False suspicions arise for all sorts of reasons and the consequences of acting on them can be devastating. Even if Aru turns out to be a doper, I hope Henderson loses money over this.

What if it's a known rather than a suspicion? Sure it should come out through official channels but if there's an open secret in the peloton that there has been a passport violation and the rider is still allowed to ride perhaps it's understandable that some riders get fed up and speak out? Personally I'd rather it is done through the official process but riders get criticised for not speaking out and criticised for speaking out.

andy_wrx

Perhaps it would have been better to have Twittered "Open rumour in the peloton is that Aru is a doper", which could certainly be proven.

So we're keen on a rider threatening another with lawyers are we ?
- what was the quote : "I have lots of money and powerful lawyers and I will destroy you" or something similar ?

Anonymous

So we moan about the omerta, and moan about riders speaking openly about doping.

Cycling fans...

rick_chasey

sjmclean wrote:

So we moan about the omerta, and moan about riders speaking openly about doping.

Cycling fans...

We're all the same .

iainf72

andy_wrx wrote:

Perhaps it would have been better to have Twittered "Open rumour in the peloton is that Aru is a doper", which could certainly be proven.

So we're keen on a rider threatening another with lawyers are we ?
- what was the quote : "I have lots of money and powerful lawyers and I will destroy you" or something similar ?

If Aru isn't under a passport investigation or letter, what would the appropriate response be? Especially considering people just seem to accept Hendo is right?

tim000

I think the suspicion was there before the comment.

sloppyschleckonds

A L T I T U D E

mididoctors

Probably. We all know doping's bad right? Don't think anyone, even me, is disputing that.

Point stands though. What's the point? Aru's still gonna ride.

and this gossip is going to continue which is kinda my point. there's even less point moaning about that!

Rob85_

I think it's a good thing if people can say what they are thinking. Surely there must be some truth or at least more than just his suspicion for him to openly say that. Seems quite odd otherwise, he must know the potential damage it could cause.

But ultimately would it not be better to go to the UCI? Or is there a feeling they are not doing enough, I feel Brian Cookson is trying to do things properly but what do I know.

The whole things is slightly worrying.

frenchfighter

Aru files a defamation lawsuit against Greg. Go get him.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... ets-172267

ps. rubbish rider Greg is in the Giro. I wonder if they have had words.

blazing_saddles

frenchfighter wrote:

Aru files a defamation lawsuit against Greg. Go get him.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... ets-172267

ps. rubbish rider Greg is in the Giro. I wonder if they have had words.

Straight of the Armstrong playbook.
I guess the truth must hurt.........................a lot.

dolan_driver

Here is a quote from the article on Cycling News on this story;

"the legal action has been taken ‘to protect the good name and honour of Fabio Aru and the team (Astana) he rides for.”

Surely they taketh the urine with the underlined!!!! You can't sue to protect something that doesn't exist. Aru may well have no positive dope test against his name but GH wouldn't have said something if there weren't strong suspicions within the peloton about him. He is riding on a team that failed a shed load of dope tests last year led by one of the most prolific, unrepentant dopers from the last twenty years and (almost) every man and his dog is having trouble believing what they are seeing currently from Astana on the Giro. Let's see how it all pans out in the next few weeks and months.

DD.

joelsim

Greg should just think of any damages that have to be paid as being an investment which will pay dividends at some point in the near future

Macaloon

Anyone volunteered to run the Hendo defence fund yet?

rick_chasey

Greg'll be pleased he didn't say it in the UK....

blazing_saddles

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/05/the-s ... -and-more/

The whole Astana situation is something that’s been the talk of the peloton for a fair while now. I for one haven’t got a clue what the UCI were up to when they allowed Astana to keep their licence. The team and their situation pisses so many people off; they’re a joke really.

And as for Fabio Aru, well, I’ll keep my mouth shut. I’ll learn from the mistake made by Greg Henderson, a man I have huge respect for. To people who say the omertà is still alive and that riders should just speak out if they know something: get a grip. In this day and age throwing around accusations without evidence is tough; you can’t say anything for fear of getting sued. But I know after Greg Henderson put “that” tweet out many people made the effort to shake his hand and praise him for saying what he did.

joelsim

OnYourRight wrote:

More baseless innuendo, this time without even a name beside it. Not cool.

Or it's someone just saying it how it is.