The Conspiracy Theory

ai_1

RDW wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#No-planes_theory

'Nico Haupt and former chief economist within the Labor Department under the Bush administration, Morgan Reynolds, argue that no planes were used in the attacks. Reynolds claims it is physically impossible that the Boeing planes of Flights 11 and 175 could have penetrated the steel frames of the Towers, and that digital compositing was used to depict the plane crashes in both news reports and subsequent amateur video. "There were no planes, there were no hijackers," Reynolds insists. "I know, I know, I'm out of the mainstream, but that's the way it is." According to David Shayler, "The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes," he says. "Watch footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center."'

Pardon me if I'm stating the bloody obvious here but:
If you want everyone to believe that 2 planes hit 2 buildings in full view of the public then the obvious solution is to fly 2 planes into 2 buildings? Why would you try and create the illusion using missiles with holograms or by manipulating video images? It would be considerably easier and more foolproof to simply use planes than to do something different and create yourself the problem of convincing everyone it was planes. If scheduled passenger flights weren't capable of doing the damage necessary then "they" could always have placed explosives in the building or modified the planes (that hologram missile theory already requires the original scheduled flights, if they ever existed, to have been interfered with so why not replace them with planes full of incendiaries if needed). If "they" are so clever, then why are they doing everything the hard way when there's absolutely no need? Hmmm, it's almost like a really badly contrived movie plot. I wonder why the similarity. Anyone know?

Why is an economist the source for the ability of a plane to damage these buildings? Is there a report by say a structural engineer or fire investigator to back this up? Did this Nico Haupt chap cite a source? I've always thought the best people to ask questions like this are those with experience in measuring and modeling physical phenomena....not economists, just saying.

capt_slog

I wonder what the economist thinks should happen when you push 400 tonnes of metal at 500mph into the side of a building? was it supposed to bounce back?

RDW

Search me, guys. Personally I favour the 'Reptilian mind control' theory. Under the cover of an artificially induced mass hallucination, the Twin Towers were quietly disassembled by alien nanotechnology, transported to the Stargate on Mona Kea, and reassembled on the Reptilian Homeworld.

ai_1

RDW wrote:

Search me, guys. Personally I favour the 'Reptilian mind control' theory. Under the cover of an artificially induced mass hallucination, the Twin Towers were quietly disassembled by alien nanotechnology, transported to the Stargate on Mona Kea, and reassembled on the Reptilian Homeworld.

Why?

ai_1

Capt Slog wrote:

I wonder what the economist thinks should happen when you push 400 tonnes of metal at 500mph into the side of a building? was it supposed to bounce back?

To be fair, I doubt they were doing 500mph at impact and it depends very much on how the 400 tonnes of metal are arranged.
Also a thin walled tube of aluminium alloy is hardly the best design for an impact weapon. The tube walls would readily buckle, thus reducing the impact forces. The answer is not obvious. All the more reason I would want an economist to provide detailed backup (of the engineering variety) for his assertions.

RDW

Ai_1 wrote:

RDW wrote:

Search me, guys. Personally I favour the 'Reptilian mind control' theory. Under the cover of an artificially induced mass hallucination, the Twin Towers were quietly disassembled by alien nanotechnology, transported to the Stargate on Mona Kea, and reassembled on the Reptilian Homeworld.

Why?

Why not?

pblakeney

RDW wrote:

Search me, guys. Personally I favour the 'Reptilian mind control' theory.

I do wish that you would stop going on about that.
It was well exposed in the 80s using the code name - V.
Those of us who were around at the time would rather live our lives in blissful ignorance and decided that was best for our children too.
Leave us to our bliss.

RDW

PBlakeney wrote:

RDW wrote:

Search me, guys. Personally I favour the 'Reptilian mind control' theory.

I do wish that you would stop going on about that.
It was well exposed in the 80s using the code name - V.
Those of us who were around at the time would rather live our lives in blissful ignorance and decided that was best for our children too.
Leave us to our bliss.

You didn't see the updated documentary in 2009? It had Morena Baccarin in it.

Otherwise it was a bit rubbish, though.

Manc33

Conspiracy theory?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 30765.html



What a nice bunch.

Now just flip this around and pretend it is Arabs killing people and running propaganda on everyone, there would be uproar.

Considering how long the world has been here I think I would be more surprised if a bunch of slightly more intelligent people/gangsters had not figured out how to take over the world, while getting everyone to support it. These people go back centuries and know what they are doing.

Before anyone starts, nope, it isn't "Jews". Are Jews as a nation the same people as the leaders of Israel? Nope. The leaders of Israel are actual terrorists whereas the average Jewish person isn't. The average Jew is being lied to and terrorized by the leaders of Israel, along with everyone else.

It was something like 1948 the first time an actual terrorist became the leader of Israel and they have all been terrorists and the sons of terrorists ever since - today more than ever in fact.

There is a nutty religious ideology in the middle east - its called Zionism and has provably infiltrated every Government that matters, particularly the US, but remember folks this is all "anti-Semitic" to point out. Nice setup huh! If a criminal comes from Israel, shame on you for thinking he could be a criminal, how anti-Semitic.

Imagine a black guy gets caught committing a crime and people say "how anti-Black" I mean, the guy is a criminal and provably so, where does the "anti" part come in? Its a smokescreen, a red herring, at best a delaying tactic.

RDW

Many people are deeply opposed to the actions of the Netanyahu governernment, its spokesmen, and US Republican advisors. But when you start banging on about shadowy elite groups of 'slightly more intelligent' (and apparently Jewish) people who are plotting to 'take over the world', then you start to get into the horribly toxic conspiracy theory territory of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' (the notorious anti-semitic forgery that made similar claims).

pblakeney

RDW wrote:

You didn't see the updated documentary in 2009? It had Morena Baccarin in it.

I was too busy being blissful in my ignorance.
That pic has added to my bliss mind you.

Manc33

RDW wrote:

Many people are deeply opposed to the actions of the Netanyahu governernment, its spokesmen, and US Republican advisors. But when you start banging on about shadowy elite groups of 'slightly more intelligent' (and apparently Jewish) people who are plotting to 'take over the world', then you start to get into the horribly toxic conspiracy theory territory of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' (the notorious anti-semitic forgery that made similar claims).

There isn't any "plotting to", we are living in a taken over world already.

There's no plotting needed, apart from to keep what is already happening going. Now it just happens to be all this Islamic rubbish we're being conned with, but anyone can be made an enemy, they could have us thinking Eskimo's are going to start terrorizing people if they wanted to. Its easy, just control the media and bingo.

Where do you think people like Rupert Murdoch get their money from? They are funded... and made to look like self-made tycoons. :roll: Then the elite families (or even, family) funding that has carte blanche on what all of his thousands of publications say.

"Forgery" means an original existed, although that doesn't mean the original document wasn't anti-Semitic (whatever that means, the term was stolen anyway and is almost meaningless in this context) but it does mean there was a real document, wherever it came from.

When people are prattling on about anti-Semitism (like they researched any of it for themselves anyway) they should remember:

1. 85% of the world's Semitic people are black North African tribes.
2. Arabs are Semitic.
3. Not all Jews are Semites.

Then there's Zionism:

1. Not all Jews are Zionists.
2. Not all Zionists are Jews.

So you're sort of just using a silly catch-all term there. Anti-Semitism in the most coherent sense would mean you're against black tribes in North Africa, or it could mean you're against Arabs... Jews are behind both of those in terms of numbers of Semitic people living in the world as a whole.

Perhaps the most honorable Jews are the ones against Zionism, like Rabbi Weiss. I have nothing against him, guess why that is... because he is actually Jewish - a real Torah Jew that can see how his people are being used and deceived with Talmudic beliefs and Zionism.

RDW

'Antisemitic' has come specifically to mean hostility to or prejudice against Jews, as any dictionary will confirm, and is not normally used in any other way. You can substitute 'anti-Jewish' if you prefer. Many words have origins that have different meanings to their current usage! You also know perfectly well what is meant by 'forgery' when referring to the 'Protocols' - a 'literary forgery', a document that is not what it purports to be (the supposed minutes of a Jewish elite bent on world domination).

pblakeney

I used to enjoy being gay.
Then I was informed that in fact, I wasn't.

Language is a strange beast.

pinno

I see you have dodged the logical arguments regarding 9/11 Manc33.

RDW

Actual conspiracy going on right now (though more a petty act of spite than an evil master plan):
http://news.sky.com/story/1452661/conse ... as-speaker

Manc33

Criticizing the actions of the leaders of Israel isn't criticizing all Jews though and those Jews in Israel are just as oblivious to being used and abused as anyone else is. The terrorists did to them first what they are now doing in other countries and the scary thing is, it works. Create an enemy, go kill them. Easy work, good money. All that is required is that you don't have a conscience and anything goes.

If you want to hear some stuff on 9/11 just get C h r i s t o p h e r B o l l y n on. He covers names, dates, places, not theories. I won't link to it because people say he is anti-Semitic, but he only talks facts so, no he isn't. That is just thrown out there to make you avoid listening to him. If you listen to him you will realize he isn't anti-Semitic. All you can go off are the facts and he only talks facts. I don't even know how he is still alive but I think even he expects to get bumped off at some point, he will do the way he is carrying on but I think he is past caring like a lot of people and just wants justice. There's plenty of his tour videos on YouTube and they are from very recently (he only just started up again).

pinno

Much more importantly, I have conspired with some reptiles paying them 16 groats and a dead sheep to help me get some pics of Morena, now posted in that famous thread near you.

Manc33

Check out Bollyn's research... or make silly jokes and pretend he doesn't even exist, if you must.

pinno

Manc33 wrote:

Checking out Bollyn's research... or make silly jokes and pretend he doesn't even exist, if you must.

Okay.

Manc33

pinarello001 wrote:

Manc33 wrote:

Checking out Bollyn's research... or make silly jokes and pretend he doesn't even exist, if you must.

Okay.

You can't debunk anything Bollyn says. Its pretty damning stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bollyn+911

chris_bass

Manc33 wrote:

Check out Bollyn's research... or make silly jokes and pretend he doesn't even exist, if you must.

If that is the choice silly jokes win every time

How does a punk pirate open a door?

With anarchy (said an arrrrrgh key)

Manc33

No one is that ignorant lol. I guess you'll get the time at some point.

RDW

Manc33 wrote:

If you want to hear some stuff on 9/11 just get C h r i s t o p h e r B o l l y n on. He covers names, dates, places, not theories. I won't link to it because people say he is anti-Semitic, but he only talks facts so, no he isn't

Oh, so this is where you get this stuff. Yes, he's an antisemite. He often qualifies 'Jew' with 'Zionist', but not always (random quote from his website: "the NPR show had been set up with Jews already lurking in the shadows, like wolves ready to attack"). The whole site is full of deeply unpleasant antisemitic paranoia, with his central idea the absurd claim that Jews are directly responsible for 9/11.

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... ollyn.html

pinno

How many George Bush's does it take to change a light bulb?

Manc33

How many Israel's does it take to create Hamas?

One.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... ate-hamas/

chris_bass

Manc33 wrote:

How many Israel's does it take to create Hamas?

One.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... ate-hamas/

I don't get it, must be the way you tell it

RDW

Manc, you honestly can't tell the difference between intelligent pieces of journalism in The Independent and The Washington Post that raise questions about Israeli policy (as above), and Bollyn's mad ranting about Jews?

pinno

I think it's way past his bedtime RDW.

MisterMuncher

What I find amusing is Manc's supposition that no-one else has seen or heard this stuff he's posting and rejected it for sane and reasonable reasons. The childish foot stamping that no-one is taking "Jews did 9/11" and other golden greats seriously because there's some speculative video linking coincidence, conjecture and logic so utterly broken it barely deserves the name out there is a simple joy to behold.

What I like more is the pictures of pretty sci-fi ladies.