The Conspiracy Theory
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Hey, there's some advantages of a flat earth.
No need to piddle about with satellites for communications, just build taller radio masts.0 -
Do you have a GPS Manc?
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
Guys. I think it really is time we all got a grip and just ignored him.
He serves no purpose but to frustrate. Add him as a foe so his posts don't show up and just move on.0 -
Ai_1 wrote:Guys. I think it really is time we all got a grip and just ignored him.
He serves no purpose but to frustrate. Add him as a foe so his posts don't show up and just move on.
I think this is a good idea. The phrase "....full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" springs to mind.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
I was given a copy of the Zombie Survival Guide book for my recent bday and I must say it's interesting comparing it to Manc. For those not in the know (and why would you be really), It is a quasi-scientific guide to survival in the event of a Zombie Apocolypse written by the same guy that wrote the book that led to the rather poor World War Z fillum.
It's clever because it applies a sort of rational, scientific look at how to kill zombies, survive in a barricaded house etc and makes good, well evidenced points and dismisses fallacies in a scientific way. However you have to remember that ZOMBIES ARE NOT FECKING REAL!!!!
Contrasting it to Mancs posts about the flat earth...erm...fiction is interesting because you can see how people develop such long winded quasi-scientific stories to explain something when they get the initial fundamental premise so obviously wrong. I'm also reminded of the rather wonderful South Park episode about the 9/11 Truthers where the POTUS pleads with Stan and Kyle to understand that if 8% of the population are retarded, why wouldn't you pretend that actually the US government could organise and orchestrate a massive global conspiracy to kill thousands of people. It keeps the loonies in check!
The same applies to Things like Homoeopathy where studies show that a homoeopathic treatment can help but forget that DRINKING WATER WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. Therefore what is needed is to work out what it is about the homoeopathic treatment that helps improve treatment and how it can be applied to genuine medicine.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Indeed the success of homeopathy is evidence of people's willingness to be deceived by utter nonsense. The level of dilution used in many homeopathic solutions are so extreme that it's likely there is not even a single molecule of the original material remaining. i.e. The dilution ratio is similar or greater than the number of molecules in the original solution prior to dilution.ddraver wrote:I was given a copy of the Zombie Survival Guide book for my recent bday and I must say it's interesting comparing it to Manc. For those not in the know (and why would you be really), It is a quasi-scientific guide to survival in the event of a Zombie Apocolypse written by the same guy that wrote the book that led to the rather poor World War Z fillum.
It's clever because it applies a sort of rational, scientific look at how to kill zombies, survive in a barricaded house etc and makes good, well evidenced points and dismisses fallacies in a scientific way. However you have to remember that ZOMBIES ARE NOT ******* REAL!!!!
Contrasting it to Mancs posts about the flat earth...erm...fiction is interesting because you can see how people develop such long winded quasi-scientific stories to explain something when they get the initial fundamental premise so obviously wrong. I'm also reminded of the rather wonderful South Park episode about the 9/11 Truthers where the POTUS pleads with Stan and Kyle to understand that if 8% of the population are retarded, why wouldn't you pretend that actually the US government could organise and orchestrate a massive global conspiracy to kill thousands of people. It keeps the loonies in check!
The same applies to Things like Homoeopathy where studies show that a homoeopathic treatment can help but forget that DRINKING WATER WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. Therefore what is needed is to work out what it is about the homoeopathic treatment that helps improve treatment and how it can be applied to genuine medicine.
The "medication" is actually just water or alcohol or whatever the diluting medium is. There's nothing else in there, not by design anyway.
So clearly any effect is purely placebo. Homeopathy has zero credibility except as a delivery device for placebos.0 -
johnfinch wrote:Could you please tell me where the western end of the world is and where the eastern end is?
In the same places they are on a ball Earth.
I wish this forum had multi-quote. :roll:
Regarding GPS and anything else like it, that can all be done on Earth, satellites are not needed. Any that are up there would need a lot of fuel since nothing floats up there either. Put it this way - can I see one being launched? Is there anything physically verifiable to suggest they are up there, apart from people making the claim that they are there?0 -
In the same places they are now, you'd be travelling around in a circle in both instances, over the same land.
On the flat Earth you'd be going in a circle the same as you would on a ball, except the flat Earth would have a "flat circle" of latitude and a round Earth would have a latitude line on it somewhere between the equator and North pole.
Doesn't matter, if you go say 2000 miles south of the North pole and go around the Earth in a circle (not deviating North or South) you can just do the same thing whether the Earth is flat or round.
We haven't even had "What about sunsets" yet. Or maybe we have in 50 odd pages.0 -
so in your view, does the sun move around the earth or the other way around? same for the moon?www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0
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Ah, so we're on a disc-like planet? Which pole is at the centre and how do we get polarity reversals?0
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johnfinch wrote:Ah, so we're on a disc-like planet? Which pole is at the centre and how do we get polarity reversals?
North, that is why the penguins are at the south pole, it is to protect the edge (not the one from U2) and stop people finding it.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
ddraver wrote:If I Could trouble Manc for a second - is there anything amongst, so called, Conventional Knowledge that you believe? I'm interested to know where your bar is
agreed, but can we start with this:Chris Bass wrote:so in your view, does the sun move around the earth or the other way around? same for the moon?www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
I'd like to know what Manc's source of information is.
EDIT: Found it. The Flat Earth Society is an actual real organisation. I thought it was just a fiction. Their forums are quite busy. Thread titles include:
"Do atoms even exist?"
"Fairies"
"Nuclear weapons do not exist"0 -
johnfinch wrote:I'd like to know what Manc's source of information is.
youtube*
*I'm not saying all youtube is rubbish - just some of it iswww.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Maybe they're all physicists and engineers using this as a fantasy escape from their day to day work. It's worrying that there are actually enough people ignorant and deluded enough to engage in this sort denial of reality. But then, as I mentioned, homeopathy demonstrates that huge numbers of people really aren't inclined towards rational critical thinking and, in fact, actively fight it while pretending to use reason to do so....sound familiar?johnfinch wrote:I'd like to know what Manc's source of information is.
EDIT: Found it. The Flat Earth Society is an actual real organisation. I thought it was just a fiction. Their forums are quite busy. Thread titles include:
"Do atoms even exist?"
"Fairies"
"Nuclear weapons do not exist"
I'd say the same of religions but there is some difference in that they are largely tradition based with beliefs being indoctrinated at a young age. Thankfully in many parts of the world it's no longer dangerous to challenge these beliefs publicly. In other places it's far from safe but hopefully that too will change.0 -
The Flat Earth society says the Earth has to be accelerating upwards at 1G, but the truth of it is, you don't need gravity, so they are only there to poke fun at the subject and turn people away from it, it would seem.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin
I first looked there around 2008 and gave up on it mainly because of that accelerating requirement. Not just Earth moving upwards, but accelerating. That would mean by now the Earth would be going at trillions of MPH upwards and accelerating all the time, I doubt it.
Then skip forwards to 2015 and I found out you technically don't "need" there to be any gravity, things just settle down due to their density. There is no "pulling force" to it and there doesn't need to be. Its like saying you can't use a car unless you put nitrogen in the tyres. Yes you can, just about any air will work. Well thats like introducing gravity, you can introduce it, but there's no other reason to apart from to bolster the idea of heliocentricity.
Yes on the flat Earth model the sun and moon both encircle the Earth, no higher than 3,000 miles up. They reckon the sun and moon are the same size, about 32 miles across each.
The sun goes faster as it gets nearer to Antarctica aka the ice wall aka South, which we call the Antarctic summer. This is how days last 24h I mean, it might be freezing here and us only getting 6 or 8 hours daylight, but it still all evens out to a 24 hour long day. Then as the sun comes back towards the North pole, it slows down so as it does a smaller circle, the days last 24 hours. The moon on the other hand "follows the sun" and has a constant cycle, AFAIK it doesn't travel North or South, its circle also lasts a day.
People say "explain seasons" and I just have, but its easier to explain seasons on a flat Earth than a round Earth! If the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, it would be the same temperature throughout the whole ball Earth, even if the Earth was doing an elliptical orbit, it would be cold for everyone when it is further from the sun and warmer for everyone when it is closer. This isn't what happens, it can be roasting hot in one part of the Earth having summer and freezing cold in another part of the Earth having winter. It doesn't really make sense on a round Earth because the whole of the Earth would be affected and this isn't what happens because we have seasons.
The moon is odd because it seems transparent at times yet completely blocks out the sun during an eclipse. NASA won't ever tell you this but amateur astronomers will tell you they can sometimes even see stars through the moon.
A "Yin-Yang" is the flat Earth if you look at it, ancient cultures knew more than we currently do but when do you ever hear anyone admitting that. :roll: I am sure if they time traveled here from there they would say "Oh, everyone is being caught out with technology" and they have probably been there and done it before us. Or they had a way of life that surpasses ours and thus, had already been where we are now but thousands of years ago in their history. All we get told is they were primitive and we are some sort of all singing all dancing gift to the world or something. A five minute study of Tarot cards can show you people back then weren't as stupid as we assume all the time. Look at the pyramids or that Aztec wall with odd shaped bricks. For all we know the Aztecs just settled there, same with Egyptians. I heard all the buildings in Egypt were blank and the Egyptians didn't build anything, they just defaced it all, there isn't anything in the hieroglyphs to say it was even built by Egyptians at all. So if they aren't claiming that, why are we?! I am sure they would be letting us know.
One thing I have not looked into much is them saying dinosaurs never existed. Yep, afraid so. I was thinking actually, there's not one mention of them until the 1800s. Someone somewhere in history surely would have discovered one before then? All the agriculture that went on and building stuff. Then I thought they could just have made the bones out of some dark hardwood. I can't rule it out.
This would be done I suppose to con us into thinking 1. We evolved here (when we were created in a lab and put here) and 2. The Earth is far older than it really is.
So in short we have "puddles" dotted around a 2D plane where life exists there but its damn hard to work out how. To suggest all the life was put here is insane because all life living here is suited to 24h days. Now I can believe other humans elsewhere might have tweaked our genetics to make us suited to living here, but not every single insect and animal, that would just be too much of an undertaking. So maybe life emerges somehow and well, there's humans out there travelling around the ice sheet looking for suns, when they see one encircling a magnet they know it might support life. Those same humans could just be colonizing all the "puddles", well we call it Earth. Don't start though I am speculating here (last three paragraphs).0 -
I've just had a bad thought - what if Manc isn't really just winding us up and actually has serious issues? We might all be piling in and making things worse.
Sorry Manc, not trying to be an arrrsehole and put you down or anything, I just don't feel comfortable doing this any more.0 -
It's a distinct possibility in which case we probably shouldn't facilitate him.johnfinch wrote:I've just had a bad thought - what if Manc isn't really just winding us up and actually has serious issues? We might all be piling in and making things worse.
Sorry Manc, not trying to be an arrrsehole and put you down or anything, I just don't feel comfortable doing this any more.0 -
johnfinch wrote:I've just had a bad thought - what if Manc isn't really just winding us up and actually has serious issues? We might all be piling in and making things worse.
Sorry Manc, not trying to be an arrrsehole and put you down or anything, I just don't feel comfortable doing this any more.
+1 - think it is time i left this thread, he either is winding people up or really, really needs help.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Again, going back to the book I was reading, such people are not "properly crazy" they can be well functioning, sensible people. After all, believing the moon is transparent (Bwa ha ha ha) would nt affect many peoples day to day life. The interesting part of it is what causes the disconnect which allows such views to take hold (once they re formed, the process by which they stick in the brain is fairly simple)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Ai_1 wrote:
It's a distinct possibility in which case we probably shouldn't facilitate him.johnfinch wrote:I've just had a bad thought - what if Manc isn't really just winding us up and actually has serious issues? We might all be piling in and making things worse.
Sorry Manc, not trying to be an arrrsehole and put you down or anything, I just don't feel comfortable doing this any more.
I did try dissuading responding over a month ago.. logic and science will never convince a toll/loon (a trolloon?), and prolongs the sad nonsense. If you want nonsense, Edward Lear is your man.briantrumpet wrote:Ai_1 wrote:Please respond in the manner requested.
Your avoidance of same is a tactic to avoid the question asked
VBT (Very Basic Trolling). How did you get sucked in?0 -
People say "explain seasons" and I just have, but its easier to explain seasons on a flat Earth than a round Earth! If the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, it would be the same temperature throughout the whole ball Earth, even if the Earth was doing an elliptical orbit, it would be cold for everyone when it is further from the sun and warmer for everyone when it is closer. This isn't what happens, it can be roasting hot in one part of the Earth having summer and freezing cold in another part of the Earth having winter. It doesn't really make sense on a round Earth because the whole of the Earth would be a season
Everything you post is sh!te, but now this is utter ignorance.
It makes complete sense because the Earth is tilted on its axis. It remains at the same angle throughout its orbit, so when the Northern Nemisphere receives direct sun, the Southern Hemisphere only gets indirect sunlight and vice versa.
This is really, really basic stuff the you learn in junior school. It's not 'made up', it's a perfect, clear explanation as to why we have seasons on Earth.
Ps: There are literally thousands of photos of earth taken from space. And you know it, just as you know the earth isn't flat. You're obviously nowhere near as stupid as you make out to be, because if you really think this stuff you're posting is real you need to be in some kind of mental home.
And that's it from me, I've had to add Manc as a foe so I can't see what he's putting.0 -
Manc33 go back and ride your bike, you are trolling on here and doing my head in.
As NorvernRob says you are spouting absolute Sh!te, rubbish, tosh, call it what you will, you are Trolling, go away and read the rules, one more post like the above and it is goodbye.
There is nothing wrong with discussing conspiracy theories and indeed there are many cover ups but claiming the world is flat and the moon is transparent is rubbish, go away and play with the fairies, I don't mind if you actually contributed anything on here but you have been banned from other sites for talking rubbish, don't pollute this one.
This is your finally warning!0 -
So, the World is flat? :shock:Velonutter wrote:Manc33 go back and ride your bike, you are trolling on here and doing my head in.
As NorvernRob says you are spouting absolute Sh!te, rubbish, tosh, call it what you will, you are Trolling, go away and read the rules, one more post like the above and it is goodbye.
There is nothing wrong with discussing conspiracy theories and indeed there are many cover ups but claiming the world is round and the moon is transparent is rubbish, go away and play with the fairies, I don't mind if you actually contributed anything on here but you have been banned from other sites for talking rubbish, don't pollute this one.
This is your finally warning!The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I presume VN means claiming the world is round in a 2D sense, as in disc shaped, not spherical. If not the lunacy may be contagious which is a worry. To be fair reading too much of this could drive a person to insanity.PBlakeney wrote:
So, the World is flat? :shock:Velonutter wrote:Manc33 go back and ride your bike, you are trolling on here and doing my head in.
As NorvernRob says you are spouting absolute Sh!te, rubbish, tosh, call it what you will, you are Trolling, go away and read the rules, one more post like the above and it is goodbye.
There is nothing wrong with discussing conspiracy theories and indeed there are many cover ups but claiming the world is round and the moon is transparent is rubbish, go away and play with the fairies, I don't mind if you actually contributed anything on here but you have been banned from other sites for talking rubbish, don't pollute this one.
This is your finally warning!0
