When will Giant offer a defy through axle frame?
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Are you planning on racing in UCI events ? How is any of that even relevant to you ? or do you just want to copy what the peloton do ?0
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frisbee wrote:Ewww, hydraulic rim brakes, an even better way to grind your rims down with winter road muck and not actually stop any better.
Who said anything about winter?
Why is it a better way to grind down your rims anyway?
Your comment contradicts itself. If they are stopping no better, then how are they wearing the rim any differently? :roll:
Hydraulic rim would be better than cable rim. If you want discs, get discs
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cntcasey wrote:
Not sure I understand what you mean when yu say Tru axles are just too far down the line to being standardized? http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11/what- ... sign/There are a lot of bikes out right now in 2015 that have through axles. Are you saying each bike has a different through axle system?
You seem to be saying just that in the post after the one I quoted.
I don't know much about thru axles, but I assume 12mm and 15mm are not compatable.
There are bikes with them on but there is not a standardised system yet is there?
What do you not understand about that?
What aftermarket road bike wheels have a thru axle hub?
What road bikes are out now with thru axles? I thought they were all CX bikes.
If it has thru axle front and QR rear, you will have even more trouble upgrading the crappy stock wheels.
It just will not work on road bikes for ages IMO.
Fulcrum charge 33% extra just to make the Racing 3 with a tubeless compatible rim.
How much would a thru axle version cost?
I would be more interested in having decent wheels than having a better but not that necessary axle.
When it comes, great, but there are many other things to think about until then.0 -
I've just bought a Defy Advanced 2 and couldn't be happier with it. I reckon if I stick with steel QRs rather than light weight titanium ones, there'll never be an issue. Mind you, the lawyer lips on the thing are so big it might as well have through axles
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Are we at that next level or not?0
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Roux_guy wrote:I've just bought a Defy Advanced 2 and couldn't be happier with it. I reckon if I stick with steel QRs rather than light weight titanium ones, there'll never be an issue. Mind you, the lawyer lips on the thing are so big it might as well have through axles .
The first thing I do with a new fork is grinding off the tabs.
When in 40 years i never lost a front wheel i'll recon it will stay with me my last 10 years....0 -
I agree with ugo. Who is ever going to need or notice any benefit of a through axle on a road bike?argon 18 e116 2013 Vision Metron 80
Bianchi Oltre XR Sram Red E-tap, Fulcrum racing speed xlr
De Rosa SK pininfarina disc
S Works Tarmac e-tap 2017
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OP, here is one with through-axles, it's not a Giant though, http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/ ... io-disc-g10
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noodleman wrote:I agree with ugo. Who is ever going to need or notice any benefit of a through axle on a road bike?
Apparently this company thinks it's important?
Road - KTM BIKE INDUSTRIES
Anyone ride this bike?
I like the fact that it has through-axles and the new Shimano flat mounts.
What do you all think of this ride?0 -
Blimey! If a massive cycle manufacturer like ktm think it's important I'd better sell off my bikes with years of racing heritage behind them and go with the superior knowledge of the mighty ktm.argon 18 e116 2013 Vision Metron 80
Bianchi Oltre XR Sram Red E-tap, Fulcrum racing speed xlr
De Rosa SK pininfarina disc
S Works Tarmac e-tap 2017
Rose pro sl disc0 -
Completely pointless for rigid forks IMO - there is an argument for MTB suspension forks and I have a 12mm through axle on my 197mm fatbike rear hub where the torque due to chainline offset is significantly greater. Never seen any evidence that suggests that front wheel flexing is due to the hub - rim and spoke deflection far more significant. Finally, some of the pro teams don't want them - they make wheel changes 4-5x times longer. Suggest you stop reading the marketing BS and actually just get out and ride?Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Hi Cntcasey,
your belief that disc brakes and 'thru-axles' are the future doesn't seem to have been affected by the less than enthusiastic responses here. Predicting the future is notoriously difficult and it's possible you're right of course, but there are a couple of problems.
We're talking about road bikes, the basic design of which - a diamond frame, dropped handlebars etc- was perfected over a hundred years ago. Since then, you can count genuine technological breakthroughs in component design on the fingers of one hand- derailleur gears, quick release hubs, clipless pedals and index shifting. Countless other ideas have come and gone, and sometmes come back again but never really catch on (oval chainrings, for example). The problem is that the road bike is just about perfect as it - it's hard to improve, and most improvements are tiny incremental developments. Disc brakes and thru axles might be the next big thing. Or they might not.
The minimalist simplicity and purity of design of the road bike is part of it's appeal, but this is not always undestood in a world which values technical progress and where more is synonymous with better. This 'less is more' philosophy combined with the fact that road cycling developed at a time when people weren't as materially well off mean that road cycling has developed a fairly conservative culture which is quite suspicious of new developments. Even significant advances like index gears which are now universal took a long time to be accepted.
Disc brakes might offer better stopping power, but the reaction of a lot of roadies probably goes something along the lines of:
'My caliper brakes work perfectly well, they're a proven design which is simple, easy to maintain and they were good enough for Eddy Mercx;
Riding a road bike quickly and safely is about anticipation, correct positioning on the road and bike handling- if you suddenly find yourself needing more braking power it's already too late;
I'm not that excited about brakes anyway, stopping isn't really a priority and I'm not even especially bothered about slowing down;
So to get discs I have to get new forks and wheels and now you're telling me I need a 'Threwaxle' as well and I don't even know what that is or how to spell it but it sounds like it's going to be heavier, less compatible, more complex and more expensive than my current quick release- what was the reason for all this again?'
I'm quite impressed that a corporate giant like 'Giant' are willing to wait and see instead of foisting the latest idea on consumers and trying to convince them it's a 'must have' technological breakthrough.
Anyway, I'm about to go out cycling, up and down some steep hills in Dorset. I've only got feeble caliper brakes so this may be my last post for some time.0 -
cntcasey wrote:noodleman wrote:I agree with ugo. Who is ever going to need or notice any benefit of a through axle on a road bike?
Apparently this company thinks it's important?
Road - KTM BIKE INDUSTRIES
Anyone ride this bike?
I like the fact that it has through-axles and the new Shimano flat mounts.
What do you all think of this ride?
KTM's are decent bikes, but nothing spectacular. You've fallen into the trap all marketing people dream of getting people into. They've got you frothing at the mouth about something unnecessary to the point you are not seeing reason.
BTW, I've owned over 20 bikes throughout my life so far, and never once have I thought to myself "thank god i've got the safety of a thru-axle". Not even on mountain bikes. The difference in stiffness is not greatly noticeable. The safety aspect is not any better compared to Shimano quick releases. All having through axles does it hugely limit your choice of wheels if you ever come to upgrade, and puts more money in the companies' pockets because they charge a large premium on this "innovative new tech for road bikes" that has been around for a long time in the MTB world.
Also, just for clarification, I lived in Austria for many years regularly climbing (3 times a week) 2000M+ mountains on full suspension trail bikes, and it was rare to see people with through axles. Those were bikes designed to take a hell of a lot more abuse than a road bike does. Austrians are also by nature of their culture extremely risk averse and safety focused. If they are comfortable on regular quick releases, you DO NOT need them for safety, just get the Giant you want and realise the QR's on it are probably the best in the industry and nothing will ever happen.0 -
I would rather have direct mount callipers than discs anyway, so thru axles (on a road bike) are way off my radar.
A lot of questions on this thread fail to get answers. People just plough on with their own agenda without listening to other thoughts on the subject.
I think having multiple bikes helps with these dilemmas. Discs and thru axles seem like CX territory to me.
As has been said above, a road bike needs to keep a degree of purity.
Having a nice 'summer' bike also means that the wearing of rim argument is a bit of a non point.
Hydraulic levers feel great (which is why I fancy hydraulic rim brakes) but I am not sure the complexity is good.
Similar to Di2. I love it but not sure I want it yet. Not on my best bike anyway, and N+1 does not stretch that far for me
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I guess this is more evidence that things are a changing!
http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/03/31/fir ... fter-more/0 -
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cntcasey wrote:I guess this is more evidence that things are a changing!
http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/03/31/fir ... fter-more/
They can jump high or low, I won't use anything that I don't need.0 -
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Brilliant! At last an invention who's only noticeable benefit is that it takes longer to change wheels. Hurrah.
It's all marketing I'm afraid. They have to tell you how good their new bike is for fear that you'll stay with the old one.0 -
I've got a Trek with thru axles and discs. There is no brake rub at all, ever. Maybe there wouldn't be any with QR skewers either, I don't know, but the thru axles work really well and that is good enough for me.
As for taking longer to change a wheel, I don't think it does (especially since some frames now have huge lawyer lips on the forks that you have to get around). If there is a difference it is measured in seconds, not minutes, and for anybody not in a race with a support car it is irrelevant.0 -
Well I am in the market for a new bike. If road bikes are going to flat mounts and through axles why would I not get it. If I am buying a new bike anyway why would I not get a bike that did not have these new technologies. Why would I get caliper brakes when discs have been proven to have better modulation / safety in all weather etc. I am fairly new to road biking and I have zero connections to the history and am not a purest in any way. All I want is a comfortable endurance road bike that is safe, and has some space to put bigger tires on it if I want to ride on some dirt when I am not primarily ridding on the road. Just looking to improve my fitness not waiting to be a racer! What's wrong with that?0
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You've the patience of a saint seeing as you first posted about this in March 2015.
In the real world - rim brakes work just fine. QR's work just fine. They're both plenty safe enough. I've done 30+ years on them with no dramas. I'm not going to bother with discs and through axles.
My cross bike has Canti's still and can take whatever size tyre you want. If discs are the be all and end all - why are 50% of the world cyclocross champs riders still on Cantis ? (a very rough estimate from watching it this year)
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be a racer and just improve your fitness - but you seem obsessed with the hunt for the ultimate bike. There's no such thing and the important thing is to just get out and ride.
Discs v Rims
Shimano v Campag
QR v Through Axles
It's all pretty irrelevant - they don't really matter and if you had one v the other - it wouldn't be a disaster.0 -
I do get out and ride. I ride on a Specialized secure sport disc. First road bike ever had. Next road bike I would like to have flat mounts and through axles. What is wrong with wanting that? I have never not ridden a road bike without disc brakes why would I go with canti's especially if they are going the way if the dinosaurs?0
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Buy one then! argon 18 e116 2013 Vision Metron 80
Bianchi Oltre XR Sram Red E-tap, Fulcrum racing speed xlr
De Rosa SK pininfarina disc
S Works Tarmac e-tap 2017
Rose pro sl disc0 -
Well if Dinosaurs were no good - how come Jurassic Park has made billions at the Box Office eh ?
Mind you I'd definitely think twice before going to the real place...0 -
This thread is amazing. I like the differing spellings of the OPs current bike:
Secture x2
Secutre
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http://trampsandsteeds.com/giant-defy-2017/
Look at this bike!
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/06/ ... ine_409600
Looks like it has what I wish the Defy had!0 -
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Looks like marketing hype to me! Right?
Who needs through axles and flat mounts? Certainly not me. Bike manufacturers should be arrested for creating bikes we don't need just to make us spend money! Criminal I tell you just criminal. I am not going to buy a through axle flat mount bike even though I am in the market for a new bike just to show how criminal they are! That will show them! In fact I am going to buy a road bike from Craig's list that was built in the 80's. A bike is a bike and a bike made then will get the job done just as good as a 2017 flat mount through axle bike. So sick of companies trying to reinvent the wheel! Don't they know it was invented a long time ago! Criminals!
http://trampsandsteeds.com/giant-defy-2017/
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... p?t=138682
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Bike manufacturers are missing out with their marketing. Sportive bikes were a successful marketing thing aimed at people who aren't flexible and need to sit upright (or think they need to)...
The next thing should be something like 'Super' edition bikes aimed at chunky monkeys. Bikes which have the geometry of the Sportive bikes plus things like extra strength, high spoke counts, disc braking and whatever else might be useful if you are heavy. They could use a word like 'super' so it doesn't sound like the bike is specced to deal with big riders and sounds more like it is to do with performance.
Seriously, I would think there is money to be made. Once one make started doing it, others would follow. Bike shops would love it too, it would be such a simple sell.
To the experienced average weighted to skinny rider, most of these kinds of things are complete non issues.0
