When will Giant offer a defy through axle frame?
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ugo.santalucia wrote:cntcasey wrote:I am a larger guy 6'3 250 and love the idea of having the stiffness of the front fork that through-axles will bring, not to mention the assurance that the through axles assure perfect disc brake alignment.
Do you often bend the front hub axle? Thru axle is useful if you want to jump big drops and want the wheel to stay in place, otherwise it isn't
So why do cyclecross bikes have through axles? I could be wrong but "New to all bike disciplines" I saw a few cycle cross races on youtube and it does not appear they are jumping big drops etc?
Just trying to educate myself! Thanks!0 -
MountainMonster wrote:That just means the reviewer really likes the Giant. Lots of fan boys of different makes. It doesn't make them a better bike,
Speaking from experience in both the MTB and road world with a disc bike, the through axles don't make such a difference as you mention. Not once have I had issues with disc brakes needing adjustment due to taking the wheel off. While I can understand you like the idea, if you really want the Defy that bad just go for it. Through axles of all things should not be holding you back from the bike you want.
Are you,by any chance, an engineer by trade? You come across a bit too focused on things that don't need to be focused on.
http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/buyers ... ikes-2015/
The reviewer really likes Giant because for him they are stiffer etc? Or Likes Giant because he is a fan boy? I am not sure what that means why you say fan boy?
As I said before I am currently ridding a Specialized Secutre Sport Disc that has mechanical disc brakes. The current bike has quick release and I have never had and issue. However, with the amount of bikes coming out in the road bike market in 2015 and forward so many are choosing to produce their bikes with Through-axles. As someone knew to the world of bikes it makes me wonder why Giant would not do the same. I could see if just one or two companies are designing their road disc brakes with through axles, but they are not there are many. http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/featur ... -30-years/
Far to many companies are offering thru axles for me not to think they are important, or the industry is going there just like they did with Mountain bikes and Cycle Cross bikes. Are Through axles absolutely needed in Mountain biking? No! Are they absolutely needed in Cyclecross? No! but would people prefer to have them? Why would it be any different for road bikes?
Why would Trek Design their Domane disc brake bikes with though axles?
Why Would Focus Design their Cayo bike with Through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/128748-vide ... -thru-axle
Why would Foundry Design their bikes with Through axles
Why would colango Design their bikes with through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/129590-firs ... bike-video
Why would KTM design their bike with through axles. 2015 KTM Revelator Sky Disc Road Bike
Why would Giant choose not to?
Why would Specialized chose not to?
Why would Cannondale chose not to?
http://www.gizmag.com/topolino-technolo ... hub/30126/
Thru-axles – the new road standard?
Many of the new bikes incorporate a thru-axle system, either on the front only, or on both axles, very similar to what is found on a mountain bike. The reasons for using them are compelling when compared to the traditional quick release skewers that have been with us for over 80 years, namely:
Stiffer, so giving a more precise and, hence, handling experience
More accurate wheel alignment – especially relevant with the small tyre to frame tolerances of road bikes
Stronger, so able to cope with the increased forces – twisting & longtitudinal – exerted under heavy braking
There is a feeling that a thru-axle system adds weight to a conventional quick release one but these concerns appear to be misplaced with only minimal weight increases of around 20 to 30 grams being the norm. As material technology improves, new industry standards are adopted and axle tube thicknesses decrease then you can expect weights to keep dropping.
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike - Thru Axle
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike featuring Hayes Hexlock 15mm Thru Axle – Image: VeloNews
So, you’ll be seeing thru-axle road disc set-ups in the shops right now and out on your daily ride too, catalysed by the need for increased strength needed when using discs but you’ll also be seeing thru-axles on a conventional rim brake equipped bike too, where safety benefits (thru-axle vs quick release) and production benefits (cost) of a unified platform in the industry condemn the quick release to the bike museum forever.0 -
This is a great wind up thread. Well done to whoever it is
Large Secteur owner, new to road cycling and now a Giant obsessed pre fan boy spouting contradictory nonsense.
Asking for help, but being rude about current/vast majority of road bikes, and thereby insulting the people he is asking for help from. Instant expert lectures on brands and benefits etc. gleaned from the internet are great too.
Brilliant, just brilliant. Brings back memories of CannondaleBoss, but I assumed he was real.
Loving the replies.
Keep up the good work. Its not even April yet
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Some of them do, some don't. Bike manufactureres like to sell stuff. A new standard is gold dust. One warning about the through-axle thing, though - the manufacturers don't seem to have completely agreed on a new quick release standard as yet.cntcasey wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:cntcasey wrote:I am a larger guy 6'3 250 and love the idea of having the stiffness of the front fork that through-axles will bring, not to mention the assurance that the through axles assure perfect disc brake alignment.
Do you often bend the front hub axle? Thru axle is useful if you want to jump big drops and want the wheel to stay in place, otherwise it isn't
So why do cyclecross bikes have through axles? I could be wrong but "New to all bike disciplines" I saw a few cycle cross races on youtube and it does not appear they are jumping big drops etc?
Just trying to educate myself! Thanks!
Disc wheels aren't lighter, nor are discs quite as maintenance free as you might think. But you do get more life out of a set of wheels and hydro discs are pretty impressive, that's for sure.0 -
cntcasey wrote:MountainMonster wrote:That just means the reviewer really likes the Giant. Lots of fan boys of different makes. It doesn't make them a better bike,
Speaking from experience in both the MTB and road world with a disc bike, the through axles don't make such a difference as you mention. Not once have I had issues with disc brakes needing adjustment due to taking the wheel off. While I can understand you like the idea, if you really want the Defy that bad just go for it. Through axles of all things should not be holding you back from the bike you want.
Are you,by any chance, an engineer by trade? You come across a bit too focused on things that don't need to be focused on.
http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/buyers ... ikes-2015/
The reviewer really likes Giant because for him they are stiffer etc? How has he quantified it is stiffer? By Feel? Then his data is not imperical, and he just loves Giant and is trying to justify his love with whatever intangible effect he can. Or Likes Giant because he is a fan boy? I am not sure what that means why you say fan boy? Fan Boys are the people who are so obsessed with one single brand ignore any good points of other brands, and tarnish them with their words for no reason. Much the same as as this case.
As I said before I am currently ridding a Specialized Secutre Sport Disc that has mechanical disc brakes. The current bike has quick release and I have never had and issue. However, with the amount of bikes coming out in the road bike market in 2015 and forward so many are choosing to produce their bikes with Through-axles. As someone knew to the world of bikes it makes me wonder why Giant would not do the same. I could see if just one or two companies are designing their road disc brakes with through axles, but they are not there are many. http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/featur ... -30-years/
Far to many companies are offering thru axles for me not to think they are important, or the industry is going there just like they did with Mountain bikes and Cycle Cross bikes. Are Through axles absolutely needed in Mountain biking? No! Are they absolutely needed in Cyclecross? No! but would people prefer to have them? Why would it be any different for road bikes?
Why would Trek Design their Domane disc brake bikes with though axles?
Why Would Focus Design their Cayo bike with Through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/128748-vide ... -thru-axle
Why would Foundry Design their bikes with Through axles
Why would colango Design their bikes with through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/129590-firs ... bike-video
Why would KTM design their bike with through axles. 2015 KTM Revelator Sky Disc Road Bike
Why would Giant choose not to?
Why would Specialized chose not to?
Why would Cannondale chose not to?
http://www.gizmag.com/topolino-technolo ... hub/30126/
Thru-axles – the new road standard?
Many of the new bikes incorporate a thru-axle system, either on the front only, or on both axles, very similar to what is found on a mountain bike. The reasons for using them are compelling when compared to the traditional quick release skewers that have been with us for over 80 years, namely:
Stiffer, so giving a more precise and, hence, handling experience
More accurate wheel alignment – especially relevant with the small tyre to frame tolerances of road bikes
Stronger, so able to cope with the increased forces – twisting & longtitudinal – exerted under heavy braking
There is a feeling that a thru-axle system adds weight to a conventional quick release one but these concerns appear to be misplaced with only minimal weight increases of around 20 to 30 grams being the norm. As material technology improves, new industry standards are adopted and axle tube thicknesses decrease then you can expect weights to keep dropping.
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike - Thru Axle
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike featuring Hayes Hexlock 15mm Thru Axle – Image: VeloNews
So, you’ll be seeing thru-axle road disc set-ups in the shops right now and out on your daily ride too, catalysed by the need for increased strength needed when using discs but you’ll also be seeing thru-axles on a conventional rim brake equipped bike too, where safety benefits (thru-axle vs quick release) and production benefits (cost) of a unified platform in the industry condemn the quick release to the bike museum forever.
You really need to realise, while all of this marketing jazz is telling you everything is stiffer, the effects to the real world are 1% at best. You can believe having through axles is going to make you a better rider because you've been told the frame is stiffer, but it makes nearly no difference at the end of the day.
If you like the Giant Defy that much, just get the bike. This obsession with through-axles is not good.0 -
Wow, red text
It's not just the thru axle obssesion that is unhealthy either lol.
Thinking the bicycle world revolves around a couple of brands should be a medical condition in my book :roll:0 -
I was going to go for a ride this afternoon but my bike doesn't have discs or through axles, whatever they are, and most importantly hasn't been given a rave review by a back woods aussie nut case.
I think I'll stay in.0 -
OP, in answer to your question
Taken from an article in Sportif Magazine, Issue 2 September & October 2014
Disc World, Giant's Defy gets disc brake makeover
Look closely and you will see that Giant have decided to steer clear of adopting thru-axles from the mountain bike world as some road bike brands have done, retaining instead the regular quick release axles that we're all familiar with. Part of the reason for sticking to conventional axles is that Giant simply aren't convinced that there is a suitable thru-axle standard for the road market.
"The current industry accepted versions of thru-axle, in my opinion are completely overbuilt for road", says Swanson. "They do work in cross, because cross bikes are basically rigid 29er mountain bike hardtails. They do lend some stiffness and attributes to the cyclo-cross world. But on the road I don't think they are there yet."
He adds: "I think there are a couple of key factors: they're overbuilt, there's no true quick release option globally available yet, and the other problem is wheels. We could have used thru-axles but then you're locked into one wheelset, so I'm not cool putting people into a system where they feel locked in."
Jon Swanson, Brand Manager Giant Road Bikes
Contributing Writer, David Arthur0 -
So in the foreseeable future its either:
1/ Get a Giant even though they do not have thru axles (even after all you have said about thru axles).
2/ Jump ship and get a brand that does have thru axles (even after all you have said about Giant).
3/ Stick with the non thru axle, non hydraulic Secteur.
4/ Forget about Specialized, Giant and thru axles, and get something else from the world that is road bikes.
Which it going to be for your cycling pleasure this summer OP?0 -
DJ58 wrote:OP, in answer to your question
Taken from an article in Sportif Magazine, Issue 2 September & October 2014
Disc World, Giant's Defy gets disc brake makeover
Look closely and you will see that Giant have decided to steer clear of adopting thru-axles from the mountain bike world as some road bike brands have done, retaining instead the regular quick release axles that we're all familiar with. Part of the reason for sticking to conventional axles is that Giant simply aren't convinced that there is a suitable thru-axle standard for the road market.
"The current industry accepted versions of thru-axle, in my opinion are completely overbuilt for road", says Swanson. "They do work in cross, because cross bikes are basically rigid 29er mountain bike hardtails. They do lend some stiffness and attributes to the cyclo-cross world. But on the road I don't think they are there yet."
He adds: "I think there are a couple of key factors: they're overbuilt, there's no true quick release option globally available yet, and the other problem is wheels. We could have used thru-axles but then you're locked into one wheelset, so I'm not cool putting people into a system where they feel locked in."
Jon Swanson, Brand Manager Giant Road Bikes
Contributing Writer, David Arthur
http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/buyers ... ikes-2015/
When I read this " Part of the reason for sticking to conventional axles is that Giant simply aren't convinced that there is a suitable thru-axle standard for the road market." It comes across that Giant really believes that through axles are the future especially if Disc brakes are the future in road biking. From my very uneducated and recent infatuation with the sport it appears that disc brakes are the future, even at the pro level. http://road.cc/content/news/119433-uci- ... s-bike-man It sounds like everyone believes that disc's are the future! If that is the case it also appears that through axles are the future as well. If that is the case I am content to ride my crappy Specialized secture sport disc with SORA 9 speed until I find the right bike.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:cntcasey wrote:MountainMonster wrote:That just means the reviewer really likes the Giant. Lots of fan boys of different makes. It doesn't make them a better bike,
Speaking from experience in both the MTB and road world with a disc bike, the through axles don't make such a difference as you mention. Not once have I had issues with disc brakes needing adjustment due to taking the wheel off. While I can understand you like the idea, if you really want the Defy that bad just go for it. Through axles of all things should not be holding you back from the bike you want.
Are you,by any chance, an engineer by trade? You come across a bit too focused on things that don't need to be focused on.
http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/buyers ... ikes-2015/
The reviewer really likes Giant because for him they are stiffer etc? How has he quantified it is stiffer? By Feel? Then his data is not imperical, and he just loves Giant and is trying to justify his love with whatever intangible effect he can. Or Likes Giant because he is a fan boy? I am not sure what that means why you say fan boy? Fan Boys are the people who are so obsessed with one single brand ignore any good points of other brands, and tarnish them with their words for no reason. Much the same as as this case.
As I said before I am currently ridding a Specialized Secutre Sport Disc that has mechanical disc brakes. The current bike has quick release and I have never had and issue. However, with the amount of bikes coming out in the road bike market in 2015 and forward so many are choosing to produce their bikes with Through-axles. As someone knew to the world of bikes it makes me wonder why Giant would not do the same. I could see if just one or two companies are designing their road disc brakes with through axles, but they are not there are many. http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/featur ... -30-years/
Far to many companies are offering thru axles for me not to think they are important, or the industry is going there just like they did with Mountain bikes and Cycle Cross bikes. Are Through axles absolutely needed in Mountain biking? No! Are they absolutely needed in Cyclecross? No! but would people prefer to have them? Why would it be any different for road bikes?
Why would Trek Design their Domane disc brake bikes with though axles?
Why Would Focus Design their Cayo bike with Through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/128748-vide ... -thru-axle
Why would Foundry Design their bikes with Through axles
Why would colango Design their bikes with through axles? http://road.cc/content/news/129590-firs ... bike-video
Why would KTM design their bike with through axles. 2015 KTM Revelator Sky Disc Road Bike
Why would Giant choose not to?
Why would Specialized chose not to?
Why would Cannondale chose not to?
http://www.gizmag.com/topolino-technolo ... hub/30126/
Thru-axles – the new road standard?
Many of the new bikes incorporate a thru-axle system, either on the front only, or on both axles, very similar to what is found on a mountain bike. The reasons for using them are compelling when compared to the traditional quick release skewers that have been with us for over 80 years, namely:
Stiffer, so giving a more precise and, hence, handling experience
More accurate wheel alignment – especially relevant with the small tyre to frame tolerances of road bikes
Stronger, so able to cope with the increased forces – twisting & longtitudinal – exerted under heavy braking
There is a feeling that a thru-axle system adds weight to a conventional quick release one but these concerns appear to be misplaced with only minimal weight increases of around 20 to 30 grams being the norm. As material technology improves, new industry standards are adopted and axle tube thicknesses decrease then you can expect weights to keep dropping.
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike - Thru Axle
Colnago V1-R Aero Road Bike featuring Hayes Hexlock 15mm Thru Axle – Image: VeloNews
So, you’ll be seeing thru-axle road disc set-ups in the shops right now and out on your daily ride too, catalysed by the need for increased strength needed when using discs but you’ll also be seeing thru-axles on a conventional rim brake equipped bike too, where safety benefits (thru-axle vs quick release) and production benefits (cost) of a unified platform in the industry condemn the quick release to the bike museum forever.
You really need to realise, while all of this marketing jazz is telling you everything is stiffer, the effects to the real world are 1% at best. You can believe having through axles is going to make you a better rider because you've been told the frame is stiffer, but it makes nearly no difference at the end of the day.
If you like the Giant Defy that much, just get the bike. This obsession with through-axles is not good.
I don't think the through axles will make me a better rider. I think they would be safer. I live in Colorado and will be ridding in the mountains where they hold the usa pro challenge races. At 250 pounds and riding down Vail or loveland pass with through axles makes me feel a little better especially if it starts raining which it often does in the summers here in Colorado.
That's why I would rather have through axles over quick release if I had the choice. Peace of mind more than anything. And with the number of bikes coming out with though axles alone in 2015. I would rather have through axles and not need them then to not have them and wish I had them when I am descending a Colorado mountain pass. Call me crazy!
Oh this is my current bike for what it's worth http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/Bike ... sc+Compact0 -
You can compromise and get a good quick release. Something like Shimano Deore probably have twice the clamping force of a standard external cam skewer. I do understand if you do off road, but on roads it really is OTTleft the forum March 20230
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Giant have decided to steer clear of adopting thru-axles from the mountain bike world as some road bike brands have done, retaining instead the regular quick release axles that we're all familiar with. Part of the reason for sticking to conventional axles is that Giant simply aren't convinced that there is a suitable thru-axle standard for the road market.
Sounds like to me Giant is just waiting for a standard. When there is a standard they will go with it? That sucks for people who bought a 2 to 4 grand bike in 2015 on to see the 2016 bikes have through axles, which sounds like will happen. How can it not happen?0 -
cntcasey wrote:
I don't think the through axles will make me a better rider. I think they would be safer. I live in Colorado and will be ridding in the mountains where they hold the usa pro challenge races. At 250 pounds and riding down Vail or loveland pass with through axles makes me feel a little better especially if it starts raining which it often does in the summers here in Colorado.
That's why I would rather have through axles over quick release if I had the choice. Peace of mind more than anything. And with the number of bikes coming out with though axles alone in 2015. I would rather have through axles and not need them then to not have them and wish I had them when I am descending a Colorado mountain pass. Call me crazy!
So you want thru axles for safety, but are prepared to ride around on what you consider an unsafe bike for a year or two or more?
Your crazy!
Surely you would get a bike that had them now so that: A/ You were 'safe' and B/You spent all the time waiting for your prophecy to be realised getting more enjoyment out of a better bike.0 -
cntcasey wrote:
Sounds like to me Giant is just waiting for a standard. When there is a standard they will go with it? That sucks for people who bought a 2 to 4 grand bike in 2015 on to see the 2016 bikes have through axles, which sounds like will happen. How can it not happen?
Why would that 'suck'?
A/ They do not need the thru axle.
B/ They could have a thru axle bike right now if they wanted one (which they probably do not).
C/ They will be riding around on a 2-4k bike while you are on your Secteur with the crappy mechanical discs (Now that really does suck!).
Are there even any decent thru axle road wheels to go on the imminent thru axle Giant?
Or will you have to put up with the crappy stock ones for a further year?0 -
Whatever you do - you'll find that the next seasons bikes will have something that you simply MUST have.
According to their marketing anyway.0 -
Reminds me of when people used to say "I am not going to get a DVD player until you can record on it".
Yeah, thats smart.......just carry on watching VHS you dumb ass :roll:0 -
Has the OP actually taken it to the next level yet; the suspense is killing me.0
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Whatever you buy will be out of date pretty much straight away. Just buy the thing that you want right now and don't agonise over 'what if something else comes along next year...'
If you did that with I.T. equipment, mobile phones, TVs, digital cameras etc you'd never buy anything.
If you really want thru axles and discs you've loads to choose from. If you want a future-proof purchase, then better wait for that standard thru axle to emerge. Hope it arrives quicker than a common BB standard...0 -
Not sure why all the hate towards me?
A bike forum on a web site like Bike Radar has to be a safe place where someone like me new to the sport can come to ask questions and or vent about the frustrations I see in the industry?
I am fine ridding my current bike for the time being! Would I like a new bike today? Yes, who would not?
I am just not sure why there is so much hate for someone who just wants to educate them self about the industry and make sure they are on the right side of a purchase as the UCI and this whole disc brake on Road bike thing gets settled.
I would rather have something and not need it, then to not have it and then wish I did. Yes I could buy one of the bikes from this list http://www.bikesoup.com/magazine/buyers ... ikes-2015/ that has through axles, but I am hoping Giant joins the party and offers a through axle flat mount bike sooner then later.
I am not a Giant Fan Boy! I am not a Specialized Fan Boy! I actually just heard Specialized sued a company called Volagi for designing a bike that is like their Roubaix, and they are sueing a bike shop in Canada that has the name Roubaix in it.
I have done research and asked around and up to this point believe that Giant will be a better choice for me over Specialized, Cannondale, trek, Etc. I am not comfortable just yet buying a lesser name smaller brand bike like a KTM or a FOCUS especially because non of the LBS in my area sell them.
Again sorry if I have offended anyone, but not sure why there is so much hate just for asking questions on a Road Bike Fourm?0 -
The problem is that you asked a question that nobody can answer, and you aren't interested in the ensuing debate because you think everyone else is wrong. Not a good way to make friends.0
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Not sure why all the hate towards me?
It's not hate; we just recognise your limitations. 0 -
Just buy a TCX - instant 'through-axle heaven'.0
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nweststeyn wrote:The problem is that you asked a question that nobody can answer, and you aren't interested in the ensuing debate because you think everyone else is wrong. Not a good way to make friends.
Okay then lets take it to opinion.
In your opinion is the road bike world moving to disc brakes? Will the UCI allow them in the pro peloton?
are disc brakes a passing fad that are here today but will be gone tomorrow?0 -
Moving to discs yes.
Guessing UCI will have to because manufacturers will want to flog stuff.
I don't really care what UCI do though to be honest. I am not a pro and do not fantasise about being one.
Personally I cannot wait for road bikes to be cable free. I think we will look back and find it odd that we used to operate brakes and gears with long bits of rusting/stretching inner cable running through an outer cable.
I quite like the idea of hydraulic rim brakes for a road bike.
Also, although I think DI2 makes complete sense, I am not sure it will be on my next decent/expensive road bike.
Thru axles are just too far down the line to being standardised and having decent wheels available at decent prices.
I quite like the look and feel of a skewer for now anyway.
Would like thru axles on a carbon CX bike though.
Enjoy cycling today, rather than wishing all those miles away ;-)0 -
Ewww, hydraulic rim brakes, an even better way to grind your rims down with winter road muck and not actually stop any better.
I like the consistent alignment that thru axles offer but suspect people, any myself, wouldn't be so bothered about having them if they/we hadn't experienced external cam quick releases.0 -
Solution if quick release aren't "safe"
Fit a solid axle with nuts?0 -
Carbonator wrote:Moving to discs yes.
Guessing UCI will have to because manufacturers will want to flog stuff.
I don't really care what UCI do though to be honest. I am not a pro and do not fantasise about being one.
Personally I cannot wait for road bikes to be cable free. I think we will look back and find it odd that we used to operate brakes and gears with long bits of rusting/stretching inner cable running through an outer cable.
I quite like the idea of hydraulic rim brakes for a road bike.
Also, although I think DI2 makes complete sense, I am not sure it will be on my next decent/expensive road bike.
Thru axles are just too far down the line to being standardised and having decent wheels available at decent prices.
I quite like the look and feel of a skewer for now anyway.
Would like thru axles on a carbon CX bike though.
Enjoy cycling today, rather than wishing all those miles away ;-)
Not sure I understand what you mean when yu say Tru axles are just too far down the line to being standardized? http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/11/what- ... sign/There are a lot of bikes out right now in 2015 that have through axles. Are you saying each bike has a different through axle system?
Oh trust me! I am enjoying cycling today! I ride my entry level Specialized secture sport disc every day whether that's out side or on my rollers. All these questions and concerns are in preparation for my next bike. I like the sport enough to know I will stay with this sport the rest of my life.0 -
Hey Guys look at this quote I just found from Giant's Mr. Swanson! Even Swanson from Giant says his choice would be 12mm Thru axles!!!!!!!!! Read this whole article and you will see why I am so hell bent on through axles http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviews/a ... -peloton/2
"Giant stuck with traditional quick release set-ups for its new Defy line. Other manufacturers have opted for thru-axles, some 12mm, some 15mm. Some use both, such as the new Mares cyclocross bike from Focus. But variances like that simply don’t work in the professional peloton, where neutral service providers such as Mavic need to be able to take care of nearly 200 riders, but don’t have the cargo capacity to carry dozens of different set-up wheels.
“Right now there are multiple conversations happening between a few of the big brands and everyone is talking the same talk,” explained Giant’s Swanson. “We all know that for the technology to be embraced by the highest level of racing, there has to be a consistent standard and it needs to have quick release functionality so that you can change wheels on the fly.”
Swanson‘s choice would be 12mm thru-axles. “That gives you some added stiffness so you could remove some of the extra frame material from the fork leg,” he said. “That will help keep the weight penalty in check.”0 -
how about wheels with hubs that are thru axle and qr convertible?cntcasey wrote:Does anyone know when Giant will offer a Defy with through - axles and Shimano flat mounts?
Not sure why Giant would not design their Defy line of bikes with through axles like Trek, KTM, Colongo, FOCUS, Did on their endurance road bikes? Seems like to me that that the benefits of through axles are way to many not to offer them on road bikes. http://blog.artscyclery.com/gear/road-d ... -and-cons/
I dont want to buy a KTM bike! I want to buy a Giant Defy! However, the Giant Defy does not have through axles, or Shimano flat mount road bike specific mounts. The KTM does? http://road.cc/content/news/123520-what ... 2015-range
So how does one know if Giant will ever offer a bike with these specs? Thanks!2015 Trek Domane 4.5 Disc
http://chup.info/c/tag/trek/0
