When will Giant offer a defy through axle frame?

cntcasey
cntcasey Posts: 33
edited June 2016 in Road general
Does anyone know when Giant will offer a Defy with through - axles and Shimano flat mounts?

Not sure why Giant would not design their Defy line of bikes with through axles like Trek, KTM, Colongo, FOCUS, Did on their endurance road bikes? Seems like to me that that the benefits of through axles are way to many not to offer them on road bikes. http://blog.artscyclery.com/gear/road-d ... -and-cons/

I dont want to buy a KTM bike! I want to buy a Giant Defy! However, the Giant Defy does not have through axles, or Shimano flat mount road bike specific mounts. The KTM does? http://road.cc/content/news/123520-what ... 2015-range

So how does one know if Giant will ever offer a bike with these specs? Thanks!
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  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Probably best way to find out is if you train for years in some aspect of design engineering, then buid your reputation in various different areas before finally applying for a job in Giants R&D department. If you are succesful at your interview, you will be just one step away from finding out when that through axle Defy will be released.
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    Why do you want to buy a giant defy if it doesn't meet one of your, seemingly very important, criteria?

    Get one of the other bikes you have listed
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  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    My research has shown me that Giant's road bikes give you the most bang for your buck.

    Stiffest carbon frames, complete control of the manufacturing process etc.

    http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news ... -released/

    Frame and pedalling stiffness figures
    Make/Model Frame Size Frame Stiffness (Nm/degrees) Pedalling Stiffness (N/mm)
    Cannondale Synapse Hi-MOD Disc 56/Medium 116.41 55.06
    Giant Defy Advanced SL (2015) Medium 140.87 70.63
    Specialized S-Works Roubaix SL4 Disc 56/Medium 135.71 67.37
    Trek Domane 6 Disc 55.4/Medium 104.71 63.23
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Yes but in the real world - does any of that make any noticeable difference ?

    Just get the one with the pretty paint.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    cntcasey wrote:
    My research has shown me that Giant's road bikes give you the most bang for your buck.

    Stiffest carbon frames, complete control of the manufacturing process etc.

    http://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news ... -released/

    Frame and pedalling stiffness figures
    Make/Model Frame Size Frame Stiffness (Nm/degrees) Pedalling Stiffness (N/mm)
    Cannondale Synapse Hi-MOD Disc 56/Medium 116.41 55.06
    Giant Defy Advanced SL (2015) Medium 140.87 70.63
    Specialized S-Works Roubaix SL4 Disc 56/Medium 135.71 67.37
    Trek Domane 6 Disc 55.4/Medium 104.71 63.23

    It's the stiffest frame out of four disc bikes. It's not the stiffest bike frame.

    Go with Nico's option, or alternatively email Giant.

    FWIW Rose and Canyon out buck bang pretty much everyone.
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    cougie wrote:
    Yes but in the real world - does any of that make any noticeable difference ?

    Just get the one with the pretty paint.


    I currently have a bike which suits me just fine for now that I have been ridding for the past 3 years. I am starting the processes of researching my next bike which will be a step up from my current bike a Specialized Secture Sport disc.

    My current bike has disc brakes. I like the disc brakes that are on my bike. FYI I have never ridden a Road bike with caliper brakes and don't plan on it either. I have absolutely no ties to road bike tradition nostalgia etc.
    I would like my next bike to have hydraulic disc brakes.

    I am a larger guy 6'3 250 and love the idea of having the stiffness of the front fork that through-axles will bring, not to mention the assurance that the through axles assure perfect disc brake alignment.
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,291
    Is your mission making you angry? You sound angry.
    Advocate of disc brakes.
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    homers double wrote:
    Is your mission making you angry? You sound angry.

    Oh no not at all! Sorry if I cam across angry. I am pretty new to road biking and want to take it to the next level with a better bike. With all these road bikes coming out with Disc brakes and a large majority of these bikes being built with Through axles, I want to make sure I get the bike with the features I want, instead of buying a 2 to 4 grand disc brake bike that has quick release when the stiffness overall performance are better with through axles. If I bought a bike frame with quick release frame, I could never convert that frame to through axles in the future.

    Here’s a quick rundown of the advantages road disc brakes will provide:

    Lighter wheels
    No pad/rim material compatibility issues
    Stiffer wheels with through axles
    Better braking performance in ALL conditions
    More power
    More modulation
    More control
    Consistent performance
    Less and easier maintenance
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,291
    I totaly agree, I was hoping for a new bike this year and coming from MTB I know how much better discs are so it would be a stipulation of mime too.

    I've binned the idea for another twelve months to allow more choices to filter into whats on offer.
    Advocate of disc brakes.
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    homers double wrote:
    I totaly agree, I was hoping for a new bike this year and coming from MTB I know how much better discs are so it would be a stipulation of mime too.

    I've binned the idea for another twelve months to allow more choices to filter into whats on offer.


    I am with you 100%. There are son many bikes coming out with Through Axles. Being new to the industry I can't help think there is something to the through axle advantage. I mean I understand is it life and death a must to have through axles? NO I am sure it would be fine to have a disc brake bike with quick release, but if you are going to pay 2 to 4 grand for a bike. Might as well make sure it has what you want?

    I am just frustrated that Giant would not do what Trek did and offer their endurance bike with through axles.


    "Working for a wheel manufacturer, I have been lucky to try thru axles for ’cross before they were available otherwise. I had a set of hubs with hardware made to accept the DT Swiss RWS thru axle skewers, which work in common 9mm fork dropouts and 10mm frame rear dropouts. The thru axle certainly has a stiffer feel, more control at lower PSI and even helped eliminate brake chatter on the front by making my front end more rigid. In my experience, the added stiffness from a thru axle set-up will allow you to feel more in control when using low pressure in your tires."
    Makes me wonder why Giant did not? Was it because the Defy was not up for a design change and the Domane was? Same with Specialized the Roubaix was not up for a change so they are holding off with the through axles until their next design cycle comes up? Who knows. I am way to new to the industry to know!

    Thanks for all your input guys!
  • crikey
    crikey Posts: 362
    I am pretty new to road biking and want to take it to the next level with a better bike

    You go girl! :roll:
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    You do have a point, OP... I noticed that 100% of pro races are won by teams that ride Giant bikes because they are the best bike and all the others suck.
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    nweststeyn wrote:
    You do have a point, OP... I noticed that 100% of pro races are won by teams that ride Giant bikes because they are the best bike and all the others suck.


    Doesn't Giant manufacture the majority of the other companies bikes in their factories?
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Lots of frames made in the same Taiwanese factory... but does that fact not render your point invalid?
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    nweststeyn wrote:
    Lots of frames made in the same Taiwanese factory... but does that fact not render your point invalid?

    Just doing research mate! Just doing research!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsteg0NKiT0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsVawU__jZM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsVawU__jZM
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    nweststeyn wrote:
    Lots of frames made in the same Taiwanese factory... but does that fact not render your point invalid?


    I guess this is why I am leaning GIANT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJUswD8-EfE

    This guy does has ridden pretty much every road bike there is. Yet in all of his reviews Giant is the bike he always goes back to. For someone who knows nothing about the industry I tend to believe his word especially when he is not receiving financial incentive for his opinion
  • trailflow
    trailflow Posts: 1,311
    This guy does has ridden pretty much every road bike there is

    No he hasn't :)
  • cntcasey
    cntcasey Posts: 33
    trailflow wrote:
    This guy does has ridden pretty much every road bike there is

    No he hasn't :)


    Okay, sorry he has ridden a lot more bikes than me and is willing to do reviews and seems to tell it as it is.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    cntcasey wrote:
    I am a larger guy 6'3 250 and love the idea of having the stiffness of the front fork that through-axles will bring, not to mention the assurance that the through axles assure perfect disc brake alignment.

    Do you often bend the front hub axle? Thru axle is useful if you want to jump big drops and want the wheel to stay in place, otherwise it isn't
    left the forum March 2023
  • MountainMonster
    MountainMonster Posts: 7,423
    That just means the reviewer really likes the Giant. Lots of fan boys of different makes. It doesn't make them a better bike,

    Speaking from experience in both the MTB and road world with a disc bike, the through axles don't make such a difference as you mention. Not once have I had issues with disc brakes needing adjustment due to taking the wheel off. While I can understand you like the idea, if you really want the Defy that bad just go for it. Through axles of all things should not be holding you back from the bike you want.

    Are you,by any chance, an engineer by trade? You come across a bit too focused on things that don't need to be focused on.
    My London Road
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Right, own up. Who's created another BR forum alter ego?
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    It's Manc33 isn't it.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    I had to check it wasn't me.
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    For all anyone else knows, you and I are the same person.
  • MountainMonster
    MountainMonster Posts: 7,423
    How do they know we're not all one in the same? Perhaps we are all Ezyriders spirit living on in the tinterwebs.
    My London Road
  • diplodicus
    diplodicus Posts: 722
    Well I'm definitely not Speedking :D
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    nweststeyn wrote:
    For all anyone else knows, you and I are the same person.

    I normally know who is who... :mrgreen:
    left the forum March 2023
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    Noone has ever seen me and thegreatdivide in the same place at the same time. Except for some sheep and a driver or 2.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    nweststeyn wrote:
    Noone has ever seen me and thegreatdivide in the same place at the same time. Except for some sheep and a driver or 2.

    Even they're not sure.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    nweststeyn wrote:
    For all anyone else knows, you and I are the same person.

    I normally know who is who... :mrgreen:

    Ugo has his God complex.

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