"Jihadi John"

thegreatdivide · March 2015

RDW wrote:

Adam Curtis is an interesting and talented filmmaker, but I have trouble taking some of his wilder leaps of logic entirely seriously. Assembling a lot of suggestive footage isn't the same as proving a thesis. There's a very sharp parody of his style here, which I dare anyone interested to watch immediately before Bitter Lake (or other Curtis documentary):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg

Some random with a chip on his shoulder knocks Adam Curtis. That video is the equivelent of the Aldi buyer laying into the Rapha buyer. Poor lad need some more tw4tter followers.

MisterMuncher · March 2015

With respect, Ballysmate, decent folk were denouncing them left right and centre, and protection when it came was generally because it was a more attractive option than a romper room or two in the back of the head outside Crossmaglen. That is, of course, when we got to know who these people were. For the most part, they did tend to play that one quite close to their chests. For that alone, I have considerable sympathy with the average Muslim 5'8". The majority don't know, or want to know, anything of the jihad types.

Manc33 · March 2015

Its the same in their community as it is in ours - a few dickheads ruin it for everyone else.

Its been that way for probably tens of thousands of years. Its got nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics and land.

Our Government tells us terrorists "hate us for our freedoms" then the next thing our Government is doing is removing our freedoms. :shock: Doesn't this mean our own Government are terrorists? They are doing exactly what they say we should never let terrorists do.

We are disgusted at places like Saudi Arabia because they cut people's hands off for stealing and so on (even though we call this "bunch of nutters" our allies) but we have legislation just as silly like a £30 fine if you get "caught" swearing in public. Its money for nothing. We are every bit the slaves we complain about. They probably laugh at the stuff we have to endure (silly legislation) just as we do about their rules.

Don't forget to check under your bed for Abu Hamza al-Masri tonight.

veronese68 · March 2015

Manc33 wrote:

Its the same in their community as it is in ours - a few dickheads ruin it for everyone else.

Exactly.
Now stop making sensible comments, it confuses people. Especially me.

chris_bass · March 2015

Veronese68 wrote:

Manc33 wrote:

Its the same in their community as it is in ours - a few dickheads ruin it for everyone else.

Exactly.
Now stop making sensible comments, it confuses people. Especially me.

I was kind of with him until.....

Manc33 wrote:

they cut people's hands off for stealing and so on .... but we have legislation just as silly like a £30 fine if you get "caught" swearing in public.

Its not quite the same really

veronese68 · March 2015

I was just grateful for the first sentence, because really that's what it boils down to. There are even violent radical Buddhists now, it's nothing to do with what race, creed or colour you are some people are just arseholes.

chris_bass · March 2015

definitely, it is like a hugely exaggerated version of the bikes vs cars thing. Some drivers are bad at driving, some cyclists are bad at cycling, what is the common theme? they are both controlled by people. Each side concentrates on the bad element of the other and tars them all with the same brush.

RDW · March 2015

Chris Bass wrote:

definitely, it is like a hugely exaggerated version of the bikes vs cars thing. Some drivers are bad at driving, some cyclists are bad at cycling, what is the common theme? they are both controlled by people. Each side concentrates on the bad element of the other and tars them all with the same brush.

Especially the SRAM users. Bloody heretics.

RDW · March 2015

thegreatdivide wrote:

Some random with a chip on his shoulder knocks Adam Curtis. That video is the equivelent of the Aldi buyer laying into the Rapha buyer. Poor lad need some more tw4tter followers.

I really don't think so. That video reflects quite well my own reaction to a Curtis documentary a couple of years ago - a sense of growing unease that far too much was being glossed over with the seductive production style, and that the conclusions didn't always bear close examination. Here's a good article from a Curtis admirer who is neverthless critical of his approach:

http://philosophyforlife.org/this-is-th ... e-attacks/

Rapha, perhaps, isn't a bad analogy - a company that makes some excellent products, but which often tends to value style over substance.

mamba80 · March 2015

i am seriously struggling to see a connection between a murdering SOB and a cycle clothing company.

Once again i find myself in agreement with Bally.

RDW · March 2015

mamba80 wrote:

i am seriously struggling to see a connection between a murdering SOB and a cycle clothing company.

Perhaps because nobody made one? The post above is about Adam Curtis.

Manc33 · March 2015

I don't want to hear about this guy being a terrorist as much as I want to know exactly why he feels the need to let bombs off. You might be able to answer for him "Because he is a Jihadist nutcase" but that's not coming from him though.

Most times someone is being labelled a terrorist they often have reasons, even if the rest of the world doesn't agree, let's hear them out and hear their reasons. Otherwise we are just being told anything and worse - believing it.

Here's what I think - all these guys work for MI6 normally, but odd ones catch onto the fact that they might be working for MI6 so they start blabbing, then as fast as possible the old switcheroo is done and they are suddenly wanted terrorists MI6 knows all about I mean come on, its obvious. In the intelligence community they simply call these people "assets". Lee Harvey Oswald was an intelligence asset, that's why he supported Castro one day then the very next day was anti-Castro. He wasn't for or against Castro or probably anything, these guys play by different rules and opposing groups are there for one thing only - to be used. You can make a hell of a lot of money out of it if you manage to fool everyone and make people think all these terrorists are doing it off their own back (most probably think they are and don't know they are being handled by MI6).

Need to know basis and all that horsecrap. The intelligence services are untouchable because of how they can have an Arab guy doing what they want then can suddenly say "He's bound to say that" etc and deny all knowledge of him being an asset/plant.

We know this because of Haroon Rashid Aswat being a western intelligence asset.

Those ISIS guys shooting people were apparently special forces guys, its all a ruse folks, all of it. Same with the beheading videos, made to shock you... but its not likely anyone got beheaded, its done with a green screen, all of that is debunked by now.

You know when they are making it up because you stop seeing beheading videos. I guess ISIS just stopped making them out of the goodness of their hearts? Nope, the intelligence services stopped filming them because people are pointing out how they are faked using CGI, so how can any more be made.

People said the same about 9/11 - why haven't they done anything since? Because it was a setup and it was all that was needed for the US government to enact endless laws against its public and have endless wars with Arabs, whom are not even to blame, for 9/11 or 7/7.

Moontrane · March 2015

Manc33 wrote:

I don't want to hear about this guy being a terrorist as much as I want to know exactly why he feels the need to let bombs off. You might be able to answer for him "Because he is a Jihadist nutcase" but that's not coming from him though.

Most times someone is being labelled a terrorist they often have reasons, even if the rest of the world doesn't agree, let's hear them out and hear their reasons. Otherwise we are just being told anything and worse - believing it.

Here's what I think - all these guys work for MI6 normally, but odd ones catch onto the fact that they might be working for MI6 so they start blabbing, then as fast as possible the old switcheroo is done and they are suddenly wanted terrorists MI6 knows all about I mean come on, its obvious. In the intelligence community they simply call these people "assets". Lee Harvey Oswald was an intelligence asset, that's why he supported Castro one day then the very next day was anti-Castro. He wasn't for or against Castro or probably anything, these guys play by different rules and opposing groups are there for one thing only - to be used. You can make a hell of a lot of money out of it if you manage to fool everyone and make people think all these terrorists are doing it off their own back (most probably think they are and don't know they are being handled by MI6).

Need to know basis and all that horsecrap. The intelligence services are untouchable because of how they can have an Arab guy doing what they want then can suddenly say "He's bound to say that" etc and deny all knowledge of him being an asset/plant.

We know this because of Haroon Rashid Aswat being a western intelligence asset.

Those ISIS guys shooting people were apparently special forces guys, its all a ruse folks, all of it. Same with the beheading videos, made to shock you... but its not likely anyone got beheaded, its done with a green screen, all of that is debunked by now.

You know when they are making it up because you stop seeing beheading videos. I guess ISIS just stopped making them out of the goodness of their hearts? Nope, the intelligence services stopped filming them because people are pointing out how they are faked using CGI, so how can any more be made.

People said the same about 9/11 - why haven't they done anything since? Because it was a setup and it was all that was needed for the US government to enact endless laws against its public and have endless wars with Arabs, whom are not even to blame, for 9/11 or 7/7.

Do you believe that NASA completed several successful Apollo lunar missions, sending astronauts to the moon and bringing them back?

Do you believe that the HIV was created by scientists to reduce the population of humans?

Do you believe that extraterrestrials exist on earth and interact with humans?

chris_bass · March 2015

Right back on form

Manc33 · March 2015

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that NASA completed several successful Apollo lunar missions, sending astronauts to the moon and bringing them back?

Not the first time, maybe other missions were genuine once the Russians had been "beat".

Next up - why don't the Russians expose it?

Because the leadership of Russia is joined at the hip to the leadership of everywhere else. Cold wars aren't real threat's, you only need the perception of a threat.

Its all rigged.

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that the HIV was created by scientists to reduce the population of humans?

Boyd Graves has the original 1972 "flowchart" of it so yes. Pretty open and shut.

Here's a couple of questions for you:

1. Why are black people more susceptible to HIV than white people?
(The best answer you can give it that it is a coincidence - when everything always is. :roll: )

2. Why hasn't this virus ever come about in the last 200,000 years of human evolution, only now?

(You can't give any answer to this).

So again we're having to do mental gymnastics as per usual and claim oh this nasty HIV just magically appeared in nature, out of nowhere, with no previous traces of it anywhere on Earth - in our lifetimes. A child could work it out.

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that extraterrestrials exist on earth and interact with humans?

No, because I have never seen any evidence of it.

Do you mean freakish looking aliens or human looking aliens?

The way some humans act, you could say they must be an alien to be so inhumane, but as far as actual proof goes I don't know of anything I have ever seen t make me think that.

There's plenty of theories on it of course - the Garden of Eden was the original gene splicing area and wasn't a garden but an enclosure to keep us away from the neanderthals. There's even theories that those neanderthals rule Earth today (they have some Neanderthal genes) and are getting us all back for us wiping them out.

Its the sloping forehead they have that gives it away or something.

There's so many theories I don't even mention like Titanic (insurance fraud). How come when they teach you all about the Titanic, they NEVER mention that it had a sister ship that was every bit as grandiose? Because it was that sister ship the "RMS Olympic" that really went to the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic. The reasons why J P Morgan would have done this are all covered, its all there unfortunately. From what I can gather there was meant to be a ship there to rescue everyone, so an "insurance fraud gone wrong" would be the best description. The Titanic itself remained at sea for years afterwards, re-badged as the Olympic.

Now, you can say that's all bollocks about the Titanic but just answer the first thing I said then - if the Titanic was so incredible (it was) then why don't they ever teach you that it had a sister ship the same size as it? That's what first got me started looking into it, I knew something was up as soon as I found out (aged 37) that the Titanic wasn't just this one off amazing thing, there was another ship just the same as it we don't hear one single thing about, ever. Doesn't that strike anyone as odd? Why be so quiet about it when it was as incredible as the Titanic itself? I knew about the Titanic when I was less than ten years old and now only after reading into it past my mid-thirties... I find there was an RMS Olympic too. Oh was there now...

verylonglegs · March 2015

RDW wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Some random with a chip on his shoulder knocks Adam Curtis. That video is the equivelent of the Aldi buyer laying into the Rapha buyer. Poor lad need some more tw4tter followers.

I really don't think so. That video reflects quite well my own reaction to a Curtis documentary a couple of years ago - a sense of growing unease that far too much was being glossed over with the seductive production style, and that the conclusions didn't always bear close examination. Here's a good article from a Curtis admirer who is neverthless critical of his approach:

http://philosophyforlife.org/this-is-th ... e-attacks/

Rapha, perhaps, isn't a bad analogy - a company that makes some excellent products, but which often tends to value style over substance.

Bitter Lake is the first Curtis documentary I've seen. I found it about three quarters of an hour too long as boy does he like to labour in getting to the point. Which then I didn't find that revelatory if I'm honest, it wasn't a new shocking unconsidered angle to my mind and nothing the media hasn't covered before.

mamba80 · March 2015

Manc33 wrote:

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There's so many theories I don't even mention like Titanic (insurance fraud). How come when they teach you all about the Titanic, they NEVER mention that it had a sister ship that was every bit as grandiose? Because it was that sister ship the "RMS Olympic" that really went to the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic. The reasons why J P Morgan would have done this are all covered, its all there unfortunately. From what I can gather there was meant to be a ship there to rescue everyone, so an "insurance fraud gone wrong" would be the best description. The Titanic itself remained at sea for years afterwards, re-badged as the Olympic.

Now, you can say that's all **** about the Titanic but just answer the first thing I said then - if the Titanic was so incredible (it was) then why don't they ever teach you that it had a sister ship the same size as it? That's what first got me started looking into it, I knew something was up as soon as I found out (aged 37) that the Titanic wasn't just this one off amazing thing, there was another ship just the same as it we don't hear one single thing about, ever. Doesn't that strike anyone as odd? Why be so quiet about it when it was as incredible as the Titanic itself? I knew about the Titanic when I was less than ten years old and now only after reading into it past my mid-thirties... I find there was an RMS Olympic too. Oh was there now...

i know all about the Olympic, because my GF s son, who was 9yo when i first started dated her 10 years ago, told me all about the differences and the other sister ship Britannic, which as any theorist worth his salt will tell you, was the actual ship sunk.

Human nature is to gossip and tell tales, because of this, secrets come out, big secrets, so your theories though v interesting, are unlikely to be true.

shockedsoshocked · March 2015

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

norvernrob · March 2015

Manc33 wrote:

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that NASA completed several successful Apollo lunar missions, sending astronauts to the moon and bringing them back?

Not the first time, maybe other missions were genuine once the Russians had been "beat".

Next up - why don't the Russians expose it?

Because the leadership of Russia is joined at the hip to the leadership of everywhere else. Cold wars aren't real threat's, you only need the perception of a threat.

Its all rigged.

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that the HIV was created by scientists to reduce the population of humans?

Boyd Graves has the original 1972 "flowchart" of it so yes. Pretty open and shut.

Here's a couple of questions for you:

1. Why are black people more susceptible to HIV than white people?
(The best answer you can give it that it is a coincidence - when everything always is. :roll: )

2. Why hasn't this virus ever come about in the last 200,000 years of human evolution, only now?

(You can't give any answer to this).

So again we're having to do mental gymnastics as per usual and claim oh this nasty HIV just magically appeared in nature, out of nowhere, with no previous traces of it anywhere on Earth - in our lifetimes. A child could work it out.

Moontrane wrote:

Do you believe that extraterrestrials exist on earth and interact with humans?

No, because I have never seen any evidence of it.

Do you mean freakish looking aliens or human looking aliens?

The way some humans act, you could say they must be an alien to be so inhumane, but as far as actual proof goes I don't know of anything I have ever seen t make me think that.

There's plenty of theories on it of course - the Garden of Eden was the original gene splicing area and wasn't a garden but an enclosure to keep us away from the neanderthals. There's even theories that those neanderthals rule Earth today (they have some Neanderthal genes) and are getting us all back for us wiping them out. Its the sloping forehead they have that gives it away or something.

There's so many theories I don't even mention like Titanic (insurance fraud). How come when they teach you all about the Titanic, they NEVER mention that it had a sister ship that was every bit as grandiose? Because it was that sister ship the "RMS Olympic" that really went to the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic. The reasons why J P Morgan would have done this are all covered, its all there unfortunately. From what I can gather there was meant to be a ship there to rescue everyone, so an "insurance fraud gone wrong" would be the best description. The Titanic itself remained at sea for years afterwards, re-badged as the Olympic.

Now, you can say that's all **** about the Titanic but just answer the first thing I said then - if the Titanic was so incredible (it was) then why don't they ever teach you that it had a sister ship the same size as it? That's what first got me started looking into it, I knew something was up as soon as I found out (aged 37) that the Titanic wasn't just this one off amazing thing, there was another ship just the same as it we don't hear one single thing about, ever. Doesn't that strike anyone as odd? Why be so quiet about it when it was as incredible as the Titanic itself? I knew about the Titanic when I was less than ten years old and now only after reading into it past my mid-thirties... I find there was an RMS Olympic too. Oh was there now...

This is absolute comedy gold, these posts can't really be be genuine surely?

The theory on AIDS is that it was passed onto humans from the simian version, where it then evolved into the human strain we know. Evolution happens everywhere, all the time. Viruses adapt and evolve.

As for your point about black people, I didn't know it did affect black people more but the obvious answer is it originated in Africa where most people are......black.

Youtube has a hell of a lot to answer for.

RDW · March 2015

NorvernRob wrote:

...these posts can't really be be genuine surely?

Rob, what are you suggesting? Could this all be part of some sort of NSA/GCHQ disinformation campaign? Is there a conspiracy at work here..?

chris_bass · March 2015

My, oh, my

pblakeney · March 2015

RDW wrote:

NorvernRob wrote:

...these posts can't really be be genuine surely?

Rob, what are you suggesting? Could this all be part of some sort of NSA/GCHQ disinformation campaign? Is there a conspiracy at work here..?

Don't be stupid.
It is the Matrix.

Why do you think that we are relatively happy?

Watch the girl in red.

pblakeney · March 2015

Things are moving up a gear.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31773508

"He called on the CIA to "embrace and leverage the digital revolution" and announced the creation of the Directorate of Digital Innovation."

Leverage?

We are being played. Played, I tells you.

Manc33 · March 2015

"CIA director John Brennan has ordered one of the largest reorganisations of the spy agency in its history."

Real world translation: People are figuring us out.

Check into who Gary Webb was and how he died.

The guy was exposing CIA drug dealing. He managed to commit suicide with two shots to the head - which would make it the only case of its kind. After that he dragged himself across a muddy field, whilst already dead. We're supposed to just believe this and not ask how its possible.

Keep toeing the line guys. You're certainly getting a lot more mileage from your naivety than I managed to get from mine. :roll: In a way people that can't wake up to this stuff or that is, understand it, are lucky.

RDW · March 2015

PBlakeney wrote:

Leverage?

My God. In a world where any noun can be verbed, we must infer a terrible Conspiracy against the English language, just as George Orwell predicted.

RDW · March 2015

Don't be stupid.
It is the Matrix.

In a way people that can't wake up to this stuff or that is, understand it, are lucky.

http://xkcd.com/566/

Manc33 · March 2015

People only have to talk about reptilians and UFO's to throw anyone off anything else they are saying that might be factual, which shows a great lack of discernment on the listener's part, or they are scared of being influenced or something.

I just choose not to do that and listen to everything, no filter. Editing stuff on-the-fly as you hear it is all very well but it's ignorant to do that, plus you don't need to. Why not look at stuff from other angles? Isn't this how just about every discovery ever made was made, by thinking differently?!

When people laugh at this stuff, I laugh at how it is setup that way "just so", otherwise none of the bad stuff I point out could happen, I mean you couldn't have bankers doing what they do if everyone knew what "Fractional Reserve Lending" was, but they don't. People are quite happy to buy one house and pay for three, not knowing what usury even is, or caring.

chris_bass · March 2015

So you "know" all this stuff? What are you doing about it? How is your life any different to someone who doesn't know? You tell us not to toe the line, so what exactly are you doing?

Manc33 · March 2015

What can anyone do.

Knowing about the world we live in has to be better than not knowing. I just choose to think a lot of stuff that gets laughed off as bunk, isn't. People blame the internet for every crazy theory under the sun and yes, there's nothing you can't find on the internet of course... but it is exactly because of the internet that anything true comes out.

Before the internet, books on stuff like "the NWO" were rare. Now with the internet you can just have every rare book in a folder like a little Great Library of Alexandria all of your own, or not even books, audio's of people lecturing.

People will spend 6 years at a university listening to one boring subject, but won't give any conspiracy theory five minutes of their time, pretty ignorant I say. There's conspiracies, there's theories, having the two together hardly means anything bad.

Imagine if it were actually fashionable to think differently, it should be mandatory! Even if you end up being wrong you still tried.

It seems to have been made to be unfashionable to have a different opinion or viewpoint, why would that be lol, why wouldn't they want you looking at alternative viewpoints? To the point its unfashionable not to laugh? Tssssssssssss... look beyond that and you start to see why "they" don't want you looking into anything, with some stuff, its real.

imposter2.0 · March 2015

Manc33 wrote:

I knew about the Titanic when I was less than ten years old and now only after reading into it past my mid-thirties... I find there was an RMS Olympic too. Oh was there now...

The fact that you didn't know about the RMS Olympic doesn't mean it was a conspiracy. It just means you didn't know about the RMS Olympic. Personally, I did know about it, and have done for decades. It was never a secret.

Titanic is only famous - and therefore talked about a lot - because it sank in a spectacular fashion. The Olympic probably gets less media attention because it remained afloat, did its job and was eventually de-commissioned and scrapped.

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