"Jihadi John"

Frank the tank

What's with all the revelations on the news about his life prior to him joining IS?

I am not interested in such stuff, it isn't news in the real sense of the word IMO. "Jihadi John" has been captured/killed that's news, until such news breaks I wish they would just stop talking about the sick b@st@rd.

Just wondered what others on here thought.

pblakeney

Could people please stop referring to him by that name?

It belittles what he has done.
Refer to him as Mohammed Emwazi, or sick b@st@rd, or any other non-jokey nickname.

Frank the tank

PBlakeney wrote:

Could people please stop referring to him by that name?

It belittles what he has done.
Refer to him as Mohammed Emwazi, or sick b@st@rd, or any other non-jokey nickname.

Fair comment fella, I've made the same point to others at work etc. For the purpose of my OP though I thought more people would recognize the JJ label thus more comments.

CYCLESPORT1

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

letap73

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

It takes one to know one.

CYCLESPORT1

What do you mean by that ?

letap73 wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

It takes one to know one.

rick_chasey

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

With good reason.

Have a think to yourself and think why that might be.

CYCLESPORT1

No sorry, you have me there Father Ted

Rick Chasey wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

With good reason.

Have a think to yourself and think why that might be.

chris_bass

Wasn't it some of the hostages that called him that? I think there were 4 and they named them after the Beatles

mr_goo

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

No sorry, you have me there Father Ted

Rick Chasey wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

With good reason.

Have a think to yourself and think why that might be.

I can't work that out either.

slowmart

Chris Bass wrote:

Wasn't it some of the hostages that called him that? I think there were 4 and they named them after the Beatles

It's been said before that the wrong Beatle got shot...

A widow of one of his victims wants him bought back to face justice here which would be poetic although its more likely someone will slot him at the earliest opportunity.

Rigga

Agreed, the media are absolutely obsessed about him. Every time you put the news on its one of his former teachers or classmates talking about him. Stop giving him airtime ffs!

Also I don't like how they constantly refer to him "beheading" his victims, it's just too tasteless. Just say murdered or killed but not beheaded.

MisterMuncher

Mr Goo wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

No sorry, you have me there Father Ted

Rick Chasey wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

With good reason.

Have a think to yourself and think why that might be.

I can't work that out either.

If you can't figure out why idly speculating on who might be a terrorist on a public forum is a bad idea...

Manc33

There's nothing wrong with a bit of idle speculation. :P

Pross

Rick Chasey wrote:

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

He is only one of many who are/were in this country - can't say any more or I will be banned

With good reason.

Have a think to yourself and think why that might be.

Amazed he escaped one for his comments in the Cyclists Beware! thread (along with some others).

Not sure why the media keep talking about this guy either especially when they even say he was effectively a PR person for IS recruiting. Surely they are just helping him perform this role by talking about him and his depraved acts?

mamba80

Difficult one, if there is no mention of him and his background on the news, then the authorities etc who let him out the country and all the others, approx. 1500 and Iet them back in again, plus the school/uni where he and others were possibly radicalised escape public scrutiny - I do not like the use of a nick name though, it belittles what he has done.
Three 15 and 16yo girls walked out of the country, wandered about turkey for a few days and are now with IS, they will in turn help other kids make their way to Syria, if the Gov want to reduce the deficient, maybe disband the UKBA ?

As for a recruiting sergeant, I think that boat sailed long ago. I doubt anyone interested in joining IS is bothered about what the BBC say about him.

seanoconn

Pross wrote:

Not sure why the media keep talking about this guy either especially when they even say he was effectively a PR person for IS recruiting.

Because it sells papers/more viewers.

RideOnTime

I think I have met Jihadi John's mate 'Islamic State Dave'.

veronese68

seanoconn wrote:

Pross wrote:

Not sure why the media keep talking about this guy either especially when they even say he was effectively a PR person for IS recruiting.

Because it sells papers/more viewers.

I agree with Pross, but know Seano is right.
The bit about him that caught my attention was that he was a loner and bullied when here, and now he's there he's a loner and nobody likes him. Seems one of the things that may have pushed him that way hasn't changed.

Pituophis

There seems to be a thinly veiled suggestion that he wouldn't have become a terrorist if the "authorities/anti terrorist services" hadn't been persecuting him. So nothing to do with what he was up to, to fall under suspicion in the first place then? :roll:
When we put suspects under surveillance the press like to shout about the infringement of peoples human rights, and when terrorists succeed in taking out their targets they can shout about how inadequate the policing is! Never let the truth get in the way of a good story?

mamba80

the Gov got rid of control orders due to human rights legislation, even now, the right to a family life is used to avoid deportation.
There are huge spending cuts throughout all gov departments and in many cases this means the organization affected may as well not exist, abit like having one dog warden for the whole of Cornwall... why even bother.

To me, the question is what is a family from Kuwait doing in the UK?

rick_chasey

Veronese68 wrote:

seanoconn wrote:

Pross wrote:

Not sure why the media keep talking about this guy either especially when they even say he was effectively a PR person for IS recruiting.

Because it sells papers/more viewers.

I agree with Pross, but know Seano is right.
The bit about him that caught my attention was that he was a loner and bullied when here, and now he's there he's a loner and nobody likes him. Seems one of the things that may have pushed him that way hasn't changed.

Hate the world, and the world will hate you back.

pliptrot

It si bewildering. I can't help wondering if this is some co-ordinated media attempt to demoralize this thoroughly ugly human being or his group or to drive a wedge between him and the other thugs. On the subject of co-ordination, the Iraqis do seem to be getting it together. Perhaps it is just time before ISIS are on the run, with the Iraq army on one side, the US on the other, and the Syrian army on the other side of the ever-decreasing triangle needed to remove this human stain. Odd bedfellows, but likely at this juncture, don't you think?

Pituophis

pliptrot wrote:

It si bewildering. I can't help wondering if this is some co-ordinated media attempt to demoralize this thoroughly ugly human being or his group or to drive a wedge between him and the other thugs. On the subject of co-ordination, the Iraqis do seem to be getting it together. Perhaps it is just time before ISIS are on the run, with the Iraq army on one side, the US on the other, and the Syrian army on the other side of the ever-decreasing triangle needed to remove this human stain. Odd bedfellows, but likely at this juncture, don't you think?

At that point we will just welcome them all back home to live in peace and harmony once more.
Their new found skills and post traumatic stress will no doubt be soon forgotten. :roll:

CYCLESPORT1

You can't contain it in a triangle as just as many are out of it - a long way out ! and in this country as well !

pliptrot wrote:

It si bewildering. I can't help wondering if this is some co-ordinated media attempt to demoralize this thoroughly ugly human being or his group or to drive a wedge between him and the other thugs. On the subject of co-ordination, the Iraqis do seem to be getting it together. Perhaps it is just time before ISIS are on the run, with the Iraq army on one side, the US on the other, and the Syrian army on the other side of the ever-decreasing triangle needed to remove this human stain. Odd bedfellows, but likely at this juncture, don't you think?

letap73

CYCLESPORT1 wrote:

You can't contain it in a triangle as just as many are out of it - a long way out ! and in this country as well !

pliptrot wrote:

It si bewildering. I can't help wondering if this is some co-ordinated media attempt to demoralize this thoroughly ugly human being or his group or to drive a wedge between him and the other thugs. On the subject of co-ordination, the Iraqis do seem to be getting it together. Perhaps it is just time before ISIS are on the run, with the Iraq army on one side, the US on the other, and the Syrian army on the other side of the ever-decreasing triangle needed to remove this human stain. Odd bedfellows, but likely at this juncture, don't you think?

If you talking about hateful ignorant bigotry being in this country then yes I agree - as evidenced by some of your recent posts.

Manc33

ISIS isn't some naturally occurring thing.

Even if Islamic people formed their own thing called ISIS can we really blame them after what we did to Iraq? What sort of demented chickens are we to say we can decimate an Islamic nation without ONE single complaint whatsoever from them? Are we really that stupid?

No, I never said its alright for them to form their own terrorist group, I said they are bound to form their own thing, what the hell does anyone expect after what we illegally did to Iraq?

Imagine the Iraqi Army coming here under Saddam Hussein's orders and rolling tanks down our streets. Would we do absolutely nothing about it like we are expecting the people of Iraq to? We are absolute sicko's from where I am standing.

Look how soft we must be to decimate Iraq illegally and then say hey, you can't have nukes, but this other country can. Hey, we're imposing sanctions on your country, but not this country. To hell with all of that man its ALL a lie where we are being pitted against each other.

There is no ISIS folks, its a western creation, a useful tool. Its WORKING as well. Everyone in the UK thinks Islam is some sort of evil thing lol... wake up.

Islam is a relatively new religion that has done nothing like the damage Christianity has caused. Give me a break. I think we all need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves why we are complaining about something we caused.

This stuff is a circus.

Had any Islamic fundamentalists directly threatening you or someone you know? Me neither. More people win the lottery.

Don't forget to check under your bed for Osama Bin Laden tonight. Oooooooh they're forming an Islamic state oh nooooooo what will we do... we'd probably be better off living under sodding Islam, that's the stark reality of it. For a start they forbid "usury". Which is in my opinion why Islam gets demonized so much, it is probably a better way to live where bankers cannot just come along and financially rape everyone, as they do in all of Europe, the US, Australia and anywhere else not referred to as a nation in the "axis of evil" or a "rogue nation". They are only rogue because they choose to have their own sovereign nation, which isn't allowed, the international banksters will simply "get everyone at it" exactly the way they are doing making everyone hate Islam.

Before anyone says "yeah but they are terrorists" you've just seen that on our TV and chose to believe it without really looking into why the TV would say that or even that the TV has an agenda at all. Imagine if the news had to actually prove what it says. It pretty much never does, all you get from the news on TV is an extremely one sided story.

When you realize everyone is being lied to, we are about Islam, Islamic people are about the US (they call it the great satan etc) its easy for the guys at the top with all the money to do this stuff, they have had centuries of practice. If they wanted everyone to believe the moon was made of cheese, they could make everyone believe it. This is just how ignorant we are and as long as we keep just blindly trusting this crap, it will never end. We will all just end up in detention camps for our own safety, in case terrorists let a nuke off (they don't even have but hey, who said they need to for everyone in the west to lap it up when its on the news).

rick_chasey

Manc33

Rick Chasey wrote:

Let me just post a childish picture of man in tin foil hat because I don't have one single counter argument against one single thing you've pointed out.

Are you wearing that in case Islamic terrorists come along with a ray gun?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... n+creation
(was that so hard?)

You only need to watch the very first video... its detailed, which I love! I don't want sound bites and catchphrases like "ISIS" I want names, dates, places...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FojueKxpA6I

We funded Hitler, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and that's all provable but now with this ISIS... well thats all new and organic, I mean its a joke. If all we have ever done is fund the "opposition" don't you think its a bit silly to suddenly start assuming we're NOT funding the opposition today? What sort of dumb outlook is that. That's like trusting Ted Bundy to babysit because well, this time its different. He turned over a new leaf, its his twin brother, anything to avoid the truth. :roll:

I have often said this and will say it again - people would rather die than admit they are wrong. This is perhaps one of the most amazing things about people, if not the most amazing. Forget psychology and medicine - or all the inventors and explorers - it is people never admitting it when something is staring them in the face that is the biggest "marvel" if you want to call it that.

Nope, its always easier to say "Haha that's on YouTube" even when it might be an ex-MI5 agent, a doctor, an astronaut even! If they are talking on YouTube then it can't be true... but look at how childish it is to say that. So in other words then a doctor talking on the BBC is a real doctor, but a doctor talking on YouTube, even if it is that same doctor... isn't? :shock:

Edgar Mitchell talking on the TV is an astronaut, but Edgar Mitchell talking on a YouTube clip (of that same TV appearance) then you suddenly don't believe it?

If I uploaded a clip you know for certain is true - but to YouTube - you'd then have to say its not true because its on YouTube? You're not actually that stupid are you, please tell me you're not because I wouldn't be able to believe it.

metronome

Manc33 wrote:

You only need to watch the very first video... its detailed, which I love! I don't want sound bites and catchphrases like "ISIS" I want names, dates, places...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FojueKxpA6I

Manc33 wrote:

Imagine if the news had to actually prove what it says. It pretty much never does, all you get from the news on TV is an extremely one sided story.

:shock:

RDW

I have often said this and will say it again - people would rather die than admit they are wrong. This is perhaps one of the most amazing things about people, if not the most amazing. Forget psychology and medicine - or all the inventors and explorers - it is people never admitting it when something is staring them in the face that is the biggest "marvel" if you want to call it that.

That's an excellent description of the way conspiracy theorists typically think. Once you start believing that 9/11 was 'controlled demolition', or that ISIS is secretly controlled by MI6, any evidence to the contrary, even blindingly obvious evidence that clearly shows the whole thing is nonsense, is selectively ignored.