Miliband: Is he or Isn't he?

RideOnTime

Article in the daily scroat;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nd-PM.html

Are they just picking at and undermining Miliband. Or is there something serious to worry about?

bdu98252

Labour are screwed because they have lost the support of their grass routes by fighting over the centre ground during the Blair/Brown era. This grass route support that I know historically would tell you they are voting Labour but could not explain a single policy that made them better than with the Tories or the Lib Dems. Unfortunately given how difficult it is to engage with these voters then once they are lost they are lost for a long time. Labour would need to miraculously get into government and then start to actually demonstrate a fairly left wing agenda for a number of years before these lost voters would return.

slowmart

Even one of Gordon Brown’s chief advisers, Lord Glasman, observed last week that Mr Miliband was “talking in abstract and general terms” and thus failing to connect with “the realities of the values of people within their everyday lives”.


Milliband is not connecting with voters and the fact that Milliband has never had a job outside politics is standing out like a bulldogs testies.

Picking a fight and making personal comments regarding businesses and business leaders is further evidence of a disjointed approach and a disconnect between reality and the Hampstead labour set which are driving current policies.


Labours campaigning is overly negative and destructive and add Ed Balls to the mix means a conservative majority.

Not because they have wonderful inclusive policies or strategy but they are the best of a woeful choice.

joelsim

Slowmart wrote:

Even one of Gordon Brown’s chief advisers, Lord Glasman, observed last week that Mr Miliband was “talking in abstract and general terms” and thus failing to connect with “the realities of the values of people within their everyday lives”.


Milliband is not connecting with voters and the fact that Milliband has never had a job outside politics is standing out like a bulldogs testies.

Picking a fight and making personal comments regarding businesses and business leaders is further evidence of a disjointed approach and a disconnect between reality and the Hampstead labour set which are driving current policies.


Labours campaigning is overly negative and destructive and add Ed Balls to the mix means a conservative majority.

Not because they have wonderful inclusive policies or strategy but they are the best of a woeful choice.

He's a geek and Labour voters can't identify with him at all.

tangled_metal

Mr Bean without the charisma.

DeVlaeminck

I don't think there's much argument about him not being very charismatic in the media but is his not having had a career outside of politics really an issue ?

His brother seemed to be popular enough with the public and compared to Cameron Ed Miliband is a veritable man of the people.

ballysmate

DeVlaeminck wrote:

I don't think there's much argument about him not being very charismatic in the media but is his not having had a career outside of politics really an issue ?

His brother seemed to be popular enough with the public and compared to Cameron Ed Miliband is a veritable man of the people.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ass-houses
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/07/04/Mail_on_Miliband.html


Depends on how you define people.

slowmart

DeVlaeminck wrote:

I don't think there's much argument about him not being very charismatic in the media but is his not having had a career outside of politics really an issue ?

His brother seemed to be popular enough with the public and compared to Cameron Ed Miliband is a veritable man of the people.

Milliband may be politically aware but it’s life he knows nothing about – which is to say, life as it is lived by people who don’t spend all their time thinking about politics. What Mr Miliband and his hapless companion, Ed Balls, are trying to do is fight this election campaign on the kind of abstract, ideological issues that are the stuff of Left-wing revivalism: social inequality, disparities of wealth and the evil intentions of Big Business. That is to say, on the stuff of pure, unalloyed politics.

No connection to the voting public, even less appealing to the legacy labour supporter. The Tories reaped what they had sown north of the border and Milliband and his clique will share the same outcome.

So post election, who next for the leader of the Opposition,,,,,,,,



Equally, describing Millband as Clueless would suffice just as well.

ben@31

RideOnTime wrote:

Article in the daily scroat;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nd-PM.html

Are they just picking at and undermining Miliband. Or is there something serious to worry about?

That's the Daily Mail for you. Horrendous website, so bad I only occasionally look on there for comedy value. Such tabloid sensationalist rubbish that is not even newsworthy. Such as what earrings Kate Middleton is wearing. Today the dm is even saying a flash in the Ukraine was a nuclear weapon detonating, funny how no other news website mentioned this?

The daily mail is very biased, all the articles have the same agenda; pro tory, pro fawning over the monarchy, anti Ukip, anti Labour, stirring up hatred between different groups or demographics and the world is going to end now because of 250mph winds and -15 degC temperatures (actual figures they used). It's interesting reading the comments disagreeing with the dm's political spin / agenda, who does the dm think its fooling?

RideOnTime

ben@31 wrote:

RideOnTime wrote:

Article in the daily scroat;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nd-PM.html

Are they just picking at and undermining Miliband. Or is there something serious to worry about?

That's the Daily Mail for you. Horrendous website, so bad I only occasionally look on there for comedy value. Such tabloid sensationalist rubbish that is not even newsworthy. Such as what earrings Kate Middleton is wearing. Today the dm is even saying a flash in the Ukraine was a nuclear weapon detonating, funny how no other news website mentioned this?

The daily mail is very biased, all the articles have the same agenda; pro tory, pro fawning over the monarchy, anti Ukip, anti Labour, stirring up hatred between different groups or demographics and the world is going to end now because of 250mph winds and -15 degC temperatures (actual figures they used). It's interesting reading the comments disagreeing with the dm's political spin / agenda, who does the dm think its fooling?

Yeah, just on that though what earrings is Kate Middleton wearing?

Is the Queen wearing Prince Andrew's balls as earrings yet... she should be ...

rick_chasey

RideOnTime wrote:

Article in the daily scroat;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nd-PM.html

Are they just picking at and undermining Miliband. Or is there something serious to worry about?

You make out they're mutually exclusive.


You'd do better trying to find an article in the mail that didn't pick at Miliband.

And presumably only rank & file labour supporters would be worried about Miliband's popularity or lack of.

DeVlaeminck

Ballysmate wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

I don't think there's much argument about him not being very charismatic in the media but is his not having had a career outside of politics really an issue ?

His brother seemed to be popular enough with the public and compared to Cameron Ed Miliband is a veritable man of the people.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ass-houses
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/07/04/Mail_on_Miliband.html


Depends on how you define people.

Yes but "compared to Cameron" was the key bit - our PM is a direct descendent of William IVth, millionaire, Eton, Oxford, Bullingdon club etc etc

tangled_metal

Scottish Labour is stopping saying vote SNP for Dave Cameron because in Scotland Cameron is more popular than Milliband. They've switched to get Tory since that has more connection to Thatcher which is a real negative.

The career politicians are in all parties. You might remember a fresh faced William Hague telling Thatcher where she's gone wrong as a young Tory activist. He rose through the Westminster bubble. Ed Miliband and ed balls were Brown's men. Got them to where they are.

slowmart

Tangled Metal wrote:

Scottish Labour is stopping saying vote SNP for Dave Cameron because in Scotland Cameron is more popular than Milliband. They've switched to get Tory since that has more connection to Thatcher which is a real negative.

The career politicians are in all parties. You might remember a fresh faced William Hague telling Thatcher where she's gone wrong as a young Tory activist. He rose through the Westminster bubble. Ed Miliband and ed balls were Brown's men. Got them to where they are.

William who?

As leader of the conservatives it provides another example of the consequence of a disconnect between a politician and the real world where most of us reside. Since Hague returned to the back benches and experienced the world beyond Westminster has the guy actually become more rounded and grounded.

Thinking some more I would go far to say Milliband lacks the essential quality needed for PM. He's not a leader and lacks the life experience and gravitas to equate as a credible labour candidate. Would the traditional labour voter identify themselves with Milliband?

timben83

None of the part leaders have an idea about what real life is like. The person in that seats deals with abstractions and should be working from an ideology. Cheap and easy scores from token policy shifts at this stage of the campaign are straight from the message calender and have no bearing on real people.

GGBiker

They would have a better chance if they quickly shoehorned Andy Burnham in as leader. Milliband should be working as a management consultant somewhere.

Stevo_666

I do hope people give poor little Ed the chance to lead Labour through the general election. At least that's what the other parties are thinking.

Manc33

The guy is basically just an overt spy for Israel.

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/miliband ... -declared/

Not happy with having guys that simply work for the Zionists, now we have to consider the prospect of having one in power that isn't even hiding it?

What time's Wheel of Fortune on, honey.

The fact that this guy is getting so much airtime now probably means he will be the next Prime Monster. :roll:

Or they could make someone else the Prime Monster to then be able to wrongly claim "See its not the Zionists" when the Zionists did that. Maybe thats the setup, have this Zionist guy running then do the old switcheroo at the last minute to save face and so the juggernaut continues ever onwards towards a 100% locked down society, but where everyone agrees to it. We're 80% there now.

"Asked whether he was a Zionist, Miliband responded, “Yes. I consider myself a supporter of Israel.”

That wasn't the question.

bondurant

Ah, excellent. I was wondering on which thread you would pop up next.

RideOnTime

oh blimey... earrings anybody.

keef66

Manc33 wrote:

...Stuff..."Asked whether he was a Zionist, Miliband responded, “Yes. I consider myself a supporter of Israel.”

That wasn't the question.

When was the last time any politician answered the question that was actually put to them?

Labour dropped the ball when they chose Ed over David; sadly they are unelectable with him as leader. I fear we are in for 5 more years of this budget slashing sh1t.

RideOnTime

RideOnTime

keef66

How very disturbing!

mr_goo

I am sure the chap below in the sharp suit will be prepared to sit out the next 5 years in opposition. A defeat for Labour is sure to catapult him into the leadership and the inevitable post of PM in 2020. I have no doubt that he is already scheming and plotting his meteoric rise.

Manc33

Even if this Miliband guy wasn't a Zionist (which should rule him out immediately, for obvious reasons) he is too young anyway. I said the same thing about Tory B Liar, too young. You shouldn't be allowed to be the Prime Minister unless you're 50 or older.

The comment above about "when has a politician ever given a straight answer" just says it all.

If they aren't giving straight answers, don't we have laws in place to sack them? I think you'll find that's treason if you look it up. No one cares, they are happy to have politicians that do not give straight answers, its amazing.

Obama does the same in the US claiming he will close Guantanamo Bay then not closing it. He is still in office. :shock:

If you made like three mistakes at work in one week they would already be getting ready to fire you if need be. In Government they are looking at promoting you. They are always on the lookout for excellent liars.

Ever seen the clip where Tony Blair is asked about Bilderberg Group? Funny how he can stand at a podium dealing with world issues pretty calmly but when asked about the Bilderberg Group he goes all red and can't think of an answer quick enough. When you see these people in their true light... they are nothing. Just a bunch of brown nosed people pandering to every single need of the Zionist bankers that run nearly every country. The guy is a war criminal.

crispybug2

Mr Goo wrote:

I'm sure it's not just me but do you think that this picture has more than a whiff of Alan B'Stard about it?

mr_goo

crispybug2 wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

I'm sure it's not just me but do you think that this picture has more than a whiff of Alan B'Stard about it?

Totally. It makes me laugh when I hear Chuka on the Telly or Radio. Yet another Champagne Elite Socialist from a privileged background. Followed the footsteps of his illustrious grand father (a knight) and went in to the legal profession. Only worked in the legal profession for 6-7 years before opting to put his snout in the trough of Westminster.

mamba80

So, the alternative is those champagne quaffing tories with policies that leave this poor cyclist (and it could happen to any of us) in a situation totally of Camerons making - I know this guy, he comes from a family of cyclists, worked in the industry and was practically born on a bike and now because of the bedroom tax and cuts in council funding, he has to endure this..... its inhumane.
the Tories would, if they thought they could get away with it, have anyone on benefits in a work or poor house, which probably why they secretly want to leave EU and not be subject to court rulings that would prevent even harsher benefit cuts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... -time.html

ballysmate

Mamba, a very sad case and as you say, a freak accident that could happen to anyone. My best wishes to him.
As for those nasty Tories and their cuts.
He underwent surgery and then transferred to a specialist spinal unit where he could receive the appropriate care. As luck would have it, his wife was due to give birth. Bad timing, yes but hardly Cameron's fault.
As regards the "bedroom tax" (a misnomer) there is no mention of benfits in the article so perhaps you know more than is in the article.
Cuts in council funding - the article states that there is a grant of £25,000 available to convert their house, but it is the landlords that are unwilling to undertake the work. Again not Cameron's fault.

So to recap, your friend was given the best treatment available at a specialist unit. Due to the sad situation that he is now paralised from the waist down, there is a grant of £25,000 to convert their home. I honestly can't see how the nasty Tories can be blamed, unless there is more to the case than available in the article.

Best wishes to your friend.

mr_goo

Sorry to hear about your friend Mamba.

Lets be quite clear on one thing regarding the political parties. There is not one of them that gives a flying fcuk about the general public. Politics has moved onto a new elevated social level. Nearly every MP in this country has a vested interest in a particular industry or profession, especially Labour. MPs enter politics because it serves their cause and the industries that back them. Be it banking, legal, IT, Oil, Renewables, Pharma, Military hardware.... the list goes on and on.

Yes I feel sorry for your mate Mamba. I feel sorry for the homeless guy in my town, who had a university education but suffered mental health problems. He used to sleep in tunnel under the train track just down from me. Would never harm a soul. He threw himself under a train last autumn. Poor chap, poor train driver, poor paramedics. I didn't see any statement in my local rag from my Torie MP Swaine. Too bl88dy busy swimming in the serpentine I suspect.
What I highlight is there are many many tragic stories in the UK. Only those that can give Kudos to an MP will become worthy of their cause.

Yours. Mr Goo. Not voting in May.