WTB Cross Wolf

ugo.santalucia

Less than half price on Chain Reaction... I've bagged a pair... look pretty aggressive and tubeless ready... seems a bargain at 16.99

Monty Dog

I bought some WTB semi-slick hybrid tyres about 6 years ago for 8 quid in the sale from CRC - they're brilliant, done the Southdowns Way a few times and tough as old boots. Work tubeless on Stan's Crest rims too.

ugo.santalucia

excellent...

veronese68

Just had a look for these and they are not listed under cross tyres, found them in the clearance section. Now, if I wait to see what you think of them they will probably have sold out so should I just bite the bullet? They've got to be better than the dreadful Conti's that I have.

ugo.santalucia

They are cross tyres...

http://www.cxmagazine.com/wtbs-cross-wo ... rbike-2013

veronese68

Yes, but on the CRC website they are not listed under cyclocross tyres for some reason but under road tyres.

JoostG

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

ugo.santalucia

JoostG wrote:

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

CRC... maybe different prices for different countries?

JoostG

ugo.santalucia wrote:

JoostG wrote:

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

CRC... maybe different prices for different countries?

Would be strange: no one is selling WTB in my country and I pay an extra fee for International shipping.
But I'm talking about euro's, so maybe a hefty exchange rate?

lostboysaint

WTB make great tyres, but somehow seem to get overlooked in the UK. Their tubeless ready carcasses are generally very easy to seat and are very straightforward to inflate, puncture resistance is normally very good and they run very, very well tubeless. I use their MTB tyres quite a bit having used them a lot in Canada and it doesn't surprise me that their CX tyres are also good.

ugo.santalucia

Arrived this morning. Promptly fitted... they go up with no fuss and appear to be air tight. On my HED plus rims they come at a beefy 34.3 mm.

ugo.santalucia

The tyres are awesome... did 3 hours in the Chilterns today an they handled mud very well indeed... feel safe going down a single track too

On the down side I destroyed a rear derailleur... oh well.. :?

redvee

JoostG wrote:

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

My price was £16.00 but if I changed location to Spain, Euros and English it came out at €22.49

JoostG

redvee wrote:

JoostG wrote:

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

My price was £16.00 but if I changed location to Spain, Euros and English it came out at €22.49

That's odd. Positive side: I got them in and will mount them tonight, so I can use them before 2015.

ugo.santalucia

JoostG wrote:

redvee wrote:

JoostG wrote:

Wher did you get that 16,99? In my case they offer them for 23,49. Still a decent price.
I took them as there's nothing in stock in Holland if you're looking for tubeless cyclocross tyres.

My price was £16.00 but if I changed location to Spain, Euros and English it came out at €22.49

That's odd. Positive side: I got them in and will mount them tonight, so I can use them before 2015.

If you use them tubeless I find the sweet spot in the high 20s... 28 PSI or so (72 Kg)... might be able to go lower for muddy racing, but for non race use I wouldn't bother

luv2ride

ugo.santalucia wrote:

The tyres are awesome... did 3 hours in the Chilterns today an they handled mud very well indeed... feel safe going down a single track too

On the down side I destroyed a rear derailleur... oh well.. :?

Sorry to hear about the RD Ugo, but glad the tyres are good as I'd also ordered a pair after a few recent outings where my Sammy Slicks got me sideways once too often :oops: Was going to try and run them tubeless on my Kinesis cX disc V3 wheels - what else do I need (rim tape, special valves, sealant)? Any recommendations to do this on a budget?

JoostG

Luv2ride wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

The tyres are awesome... did 3 hours in the Chilterns today an they handled mud very well indeed... feel safe going down a single track too

On the down side I destroyed a rear derailleur... oh well.. :?

Sorry to hear about the RD Ugo, but glad the tyres are good as I'd also ordered a pair after a few recent outings where my Sammy Slicks got me sideways once too often :oops: Was going to try and run them tubeless on my Kinesis cX disc V3 wheels - what else do I need (rim tape, special valves, sealant)? Any recommendations to do this on a budget?

You still have some old damage tyres laying around? Cut out those valves and use them. That will cost you nothing and works just as fine.

ugo.santalucia

As above, if you have inner tubes with threaded valves and locking, then cut out those and use them, they are pretty much as good as Stans. Cut around 10 mm wide and 15-20 along the axis of the rim.
Don't scrimp on the tape, Stans works well and it's easier to fit than the cheaper alternatives. Same for Stans sealant, but I have not tried others, so no idea how good they are.

luv2ride

Thanks gents, will give that a go! Have a CX-Sportive thing in a couple of weeks so have a bit of time to get it sorted...cheers

ravey1981

I bought some of these tyres too and will be going tubeless with them. Quick question though... I got the stans cyclocross conversion kit and it has those rubber rim strips with the valve attached, do I use them over the top of the existing rim strip, with no rim strip, or over the stans yellow tape? I'm thinking its either use yellow tape OR the rubber rim strips? I also have some superstar mtb wheels to do and they recommend yellow tape, and a push in valve as mentioned above..... Its all a bit confusing.

On this video here he puts the rubber strip straight onto the rim over the spoke holes, but that cant be right, it would be weak over the holes right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCun_ZX ... freload=10

bigmul

Thanks for heads up :-)

Just bought some and like others will be putting them on my CX Disc wheels, hopefully someone who does it successfully can tell us all what we need to do, as I'm still not clear on what I need!

ugo.santalucia

I've never used the conversion kit with the valve integrated... I would think you don't need any other rim tape, otherwise what's the point of it? On the other hand, an extra layer of tubeless tape won't do any harm, I suppose.

No clues on the Stans website?

ravey1981

Ok I've done a bit of digging on the site and found this:

http://www.notubes.com/The-NoTubes-Adva ... ained.aspx

It seems the goal when converting to tubeless is to create a tight fit between the tyre bean and the rim, specifically with little or no "up and down" movement of the tyre bead, which would lead to burping on hard hits. The thicker rubber strips made by stans reduce the internal height of the rim thus tightening this gap, so i suppose its best to use them. What I don't know is whether so called "tubeless ready" rims already have a shallower internal height thus negating the need for a rubber strip and then just yellow tape will do. Ugo, with you're experience of various rims you may be able to answer that?

So anyway, for my purposes I will use the stans rubber strips on my cx wheels since I already have them and then decide upon the mtb wheels when I see the rim profile.

ugo.santalucia

ravey1981 wrote:

Ok I've done a bit of digging on the site and found this:

http://www.notubes.com/The-NoTubes-Adva ... ained.aspx

It seems the goal when converting to tubeless is to create a tight fit between the tyre bean and the rim, specifically with little or no "up and down" movement of the tyre bead, which would lead to burping on hard hits. The thicker rubber strips made by stans reduce the internal height of the rim thus tightening this gap, so i suppose its best to use them. What I don't know is whether so called "tubeless ready" rims already have a shallower internal height thus negating the need for a rubber strip and then just yellow tape will do. Ugo, with you're experience of various rims you may be able to answer that?

So anyway, for my purposes I will use the stans rubber strips on my cx wheels since I already have them and then decide upon the mtb wheels when I see the rim profile.

Yes, this is the case... rims with an internal tubeless profile only need the yellow tape, which in essence make them air-tight. For rims with a traditional profile, you need to build up the rim bed, hence the need for some thicker rubber. What I don't know is if the rubber itself makes the rim air-tight or you need to use it in combination with the tape

ravey1981

From videos on the stans site it shows that when using rubber strips they are put straight onto the rim with no yellow tape, that being said, I don't suppose a belt and braces approach of doing both would cause a problem....

bigmul

Presume you still need to use the tubeless "gunk" stuff and this also helps repair punctures? Do you need to inflate with a CO2 canister initially?

ugo.santalucia

bigmul wrote:

Presume you still need to use the tubeless "gunk" stuff and this also helps repair punctures? Do you need to inflate with a CO2 canister initially?

You should be able to use a track pump with tubeless rims... yes you need the sealant

luv2ride

So, mounted the WTB Crosswolf tyres this afternoon, decided not to try tubeless just yet, but what a faff. No matter what I try the both front and rear tyres won't seat properly and have great big bumps in them (the bead isn't a uniform distance from the rim). Never really had this problem before with other tyres - any suggestions about what I can try to solve this, or will they "ride" out? Have already tried pumping up to 85 psi then dropping to around 40 psi, and trying to "massage" the bead all the wY around the tyre but no joy.

ravey1981

Hmm not sure what to suggest.... btw did you get the 34 or the 30?, mine arrived yesterday and I realised I ordered the 30, the 34 is now sold out Prob be a bit harsh for everyday use, might just keep them as spares.

ugo.santalucia

Mine are marketed as 32... they sit happily on the rims, no problems at all... bad batch? Rims are too tight? They are supposed to be fitted on rims with internal width of 15-19... mine are 20 but work a treat.... possibly your rims are narrower than 15?

luv2ride

Have been trying to find out what internal rim width my Kinesis CX Disc V3 wheels are on t'web but have drawn a blank. I had thought they were supposed to be relatively wide (compared with normal road rims). My Crosswolfs are marked up as 32mm, and measured 32mm on my rims using (cheap plastic) vernier callipers. I did think about them being from a bad batch (might explain why CRC are doing them so cheap), but odd both have the same issue. Will try and reseat them tomorrow...shame as I wanted to ride 'em today.

EDIT: Actually they must fit those rims as these are the tyres that KINESIS sell on the Pro6 disc full build (with their CX Disc V3 wheelset)!