off the peg disc wheelsets?

bendertherobot

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mavi ... eviews_tab

I dunno. These seem to be a missed opportunity. With 10% off at the moment (British Cycling), £140 seems pretty good. Or, it would be if they were 150-200g or so lighter. How did Mavic manage to make them quite so heavy?

M1llh0use

They're the news fitted to the bike that I'm getting!

Looking to get an upgrade over them...

bendertherobot

They might be ok. I mean, they're Aksiums, after all.

It's not an awful weight. What's really irritating is that they chose to introduce one bottom end and then one super high end. A ksyrium elite (or equipe) disc in the region of the Kinesis Crosslight pricing and weight, would, IMO, be a super big seller.

Also, where are Fulcrum? We know they have a disc wheel, but it's OEM only.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

They might be ok. I mean, they're Aksiums, after all.

It's not an awful weight. What's really irritating is that they chose to introduce one bottom end and then one super high end. A ksyrium elite (or equipe) disc in the region of the Kinesis Crosslight pricing and weight, would, IMO, be a super big seller.

Also, where are Fulcrum? We know they have a disc wheel, but it's OEM only.

Absolutely... I would be surprised if the premium Ksyrium disc sell any at all

bendertherobot

It's truly bonkers. I really can't see who the high end one is aimed at.

M1llh0use

[waves]

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

It's truly bonkers. I really can't see who the high end one is aimed at.

It's in Mavic's tradition to get something very right or very wrong... the Ksyrium Elite, Cosmic SL and Aksium have been best seller for over a decade... other wheels have been absolute flops. Their doomed R-SYS system was supposed to reinvent the wheel, but it's never been very popular and they are pretty much abandoning it now. The C40 have super advanced rims but they are priced well over the competition in that weight/depth range. Then of course their electric groupset in the early nineties was a flop on a monumental scale.

They like to do innovation, unlike other companies who just change the acronyms to make it look like they've got something new, but sometimes they miss the point

How Far is too Far

I have the Askium One disk on my winter bike and they are quite good wheels. They dont seem to flex much and they seem to climb quiet well for there weight. I also have the Fulcrum Disk wheels on my new CX bike, they are a bit lighter at 1870grms. If I had to choose I would have the Fulcrum Disk.

Saying that I am looking at getting a pair of grails built up as I would like to have my CX race bike a bit lighter and 1870grms seems fairly heavy.

I would have the Kysrium disk but the best price I can get is £700, I am sure Stans Grals on Novatec with light spokes will be similar weight for about half that.

duckson

DT Swiss look pretty good and stock on the Rose i intend to order...

http://www.bike24.com/p2100846.html

bendertherobot

Another irritation. The ZTR Grail wheel set.
http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;n ... duct=92876

Dollar = Euro.

Not that you'd necessarily buy the wheel set as opposed to self build......

ugo.santalucia

How Far is too Far wrote:

I have the Askium One disk on my winter bike and they are quite good wheels. They dont seem to flex much and they seem to climb quiet well for there weight. I also have the Fulcrum Disk wheels on my new CX bike, they are a bit lighter at 1870grms. If I had to choose I would have the Fulcrum Disk.

Saying that I am looking at getting a pair of grails built up as I would like to have my CX race bike a bit lighter and 1870grms seems fairly heavy.

I would have the Kysrium disk but the best price I can get is £700, I am sure Stans Grals on Novatec with light spokes will be similar weight for about half that.

Good choice, the Grail are awesome. I built a set back in December on Novatec hubs with D-Light spokes. 1650 grams, but I use brass nipples

bendertherobot

Ooo! £85 for hubs. Say £130 for grail rims. A plan is forming..........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Novatec-D771- ... 2347939dd4

that's one eBay seller that won't let you down!

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Ooo! £85 for hubs. Say £130 for grail rims. A plan is forming..........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Novatec-D771- ... 2347939dd4

that's one eBay seller that won't let you down!

Malcolm is very reliable and his descriptions are spot on. 6000 transactions and 100% feedback are self explanatory, really...

bendertherobot

And posts on here. I may well get a set for my proposed build. Black spokes mind Ugo, soz! Tried the silver ones on the PX earlier and it looked weird.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

And posts on here. I may well get a set for my proposed build. Black spokes mind Ugo, soz! Tried the silver ones on the PX earlier and it looked weird.

These days I use a lot of Sapim D-Light, that only come in black in the UK... I even have a set myself with black spokes...

morph

duckson wrote:

DT Swiss look pretty good and stock on the Rose i intend to order...
http://www.bike24.com/p2100846.html

These are on the Canyon I got. Only done one ride today in the mud so hardly a detailed review but they seem pretty decent so far.

Still interested in these mythical novatec centerlock hubs, will probably have a go at building a second set of wheels pretty soon.

How Far is too Far

This has got me fancying getting some Grails built up now.

Any suggestions on the best build for me? £300 to £350 ish budget

Must have black spokes and be fairly light, I am 80kg, bike will be used for CX racing as well as longer on/off road rides along cycles tracks etc.

In the past on my rim braked CX bike I have used Kysurim Elites and Shimano RS 80 without any problems with then going out of true or spokes snapping even after big mileages.

ugo.santalucia

Grail are tubeless and meant to be used tubeless, happy with that?

JMcP92

My favoured option I saw was American Classic Argent rims.
390g rim weight, good and solid, tubeless ready, think they'd be great, but they are difficult to get ahold of
http://www.amclassic.com/en/products/ro ... eless-disc

How Far is too Far

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Grail are tubeless and meant to be used tubeless, happy with that?

I have used tubeless on my MTB for ages so seems logical to give it a go on my CX bike

rozzer32

I'm going to be building my own set of wheels and was going to go with Grail rims. But got the pacenti cl25 from Planet X instead. 2 pacenti rims cost less than 1 Grail rim. Are the grails worth double the money? I doubt it.

Novatec hubs, sapim race spokes and will be run tubeless. Should be a fairly cheap, reliable wheelset.

bendertherobot

rozzer32 wrote:

I'm going to be building my own set of wheels and was going to go with Grail rims. But got the pacenti cl25 from Planet X instead. 2 pacenti rims cost less than 1 Grail rim. Are the grails worth double the money? I doubt it.

Novatec hubs, sapim race spokes and will be run tubeless. Should be a fairly cheap, reliable wheelset.

£66 at Wiggle now. I think the Pacenti I'd want are £39. So not quite double but, yeah, interesting to compare.

Widths are similar so the Stan does differentiate itself on tubeless and aeroness.

rozzer32

bendertherobot wrote:

rozzer32 wrote:

I'm going to be building my own set of wheels and was going to go with Grail rims. But got the pacenti cl25 from Planet X instead. 2 pacenti rims cost less than 1 Grail rim. Are the grails worth double the money? I doubt it.

Novatec hubs, sapim race spokes and will be run tubeless. Should be a fairly cheap, reliable wheelset.

£66 at Wiggle now. I think the Pacenti I'd want are £39. So not quite double but, yeah, interesting to compare.

Widths are similar so the Stan does differentiate itself on tubeless and aeroness.

Pacenti can be run tubeless too, that's the path I'm going down. The Grail is about 8mm deeper than the cl25 and yes it probably has a bit more aero profile but as these will be my off road training/racing wheels I don't think there would be any difference. Aero is hardly the king of cross.

bendertherobot

rozzer32 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

rozzer32 wrote:

I'm going to be building my own set of wheels and was going to go with Grail rims. But got the pacenti cl25 from Planet X instead. 2 pacenti rims cost less than 1 Grail rim. Are the grails worth double the money? I doubt it.

Novatec hubs, sapim race spokes and will be run tubeless. Should be a fairly cheap, reliable wheelset.

£66 at Wiggle now. I think the Pacenti I'd want are £39. So not quite double but, yeah, interesting to compare.

Widths are similar so the Stan does differentiate itself on tubeless and aeroness.

Pacenti can be run tubeless too, that's the path I'm going down. The Grail is about 8mm deeper than the cl25 and yes it probably has a bit more aero profile but as these will be my off road training/racing wheels I don't think there would be any difference. Aero is hardly the king of cross.

Indeed. There's some discussion, IIRC, about whether the deeper wheels cut through the mud more. I'd be surprised if you got any real benefit from 17mm to 25mm. But I could see why deep(er) rims might work.

rozzer32

bendertherobot wrote:

rozzer32 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

rozzer32 wrote:

I'm going to be building my own set of wheels and was going to go with Grail rims. But got the pacenti cl25 from Planet X instead. 2 pacenti rims cost less than 1 Grail rim. Are the grails worth double the money? I doubt it.

Novatec hubs, sapim race spokes and will be run tubeless. Should be a fairly cheap, reliable wheelset.

£66 at Wiggle now. I think the Pacenti I'd want are £39. So not quite double but, yeah, interesting to compare.

Widths are similar so the Stan does differentiate itself on tubeless and aeroness.

Pacenti can be run tubeless too, that's the path I'm going down. The Grail is about 8mm deeper than the cl25 and yes it probably has a bit more aero profile but as these will be my off road training/racing wheels I don't think there would be any difference. Aero is hardly the king of cross.

Indeed. There's some discussion, IIRC, about whether the deeper wheels cut through the mud more. I'd be surprised if you got any real benefit from 17mm to 25mm. But I could see why deep(er) rims might work.

Agreed but I think you'd probably have to go to something like a 40mm rim. A lot of the pros run 38-40mm tubs. But at my cross skill level i doubt it would make any difference if I've got a 17mm rim, a 50mm rim or a disc rim

morph

M1llh0use wrote:

morph wrote:

Anyway, before I drag this too far off topic, I'm interested if anyone can provide any more info about this novatec hub with centerlock

+1

Followup on novatec centerlock wheels:
I did a bit of digging through their catalogue http://issuu.com/novatecwheels/docs/cat ... c_hubs_web and a number of hubs have centerlock numbers below them like D771SB-CL and D772SB-CL. I emailed BDOP and they said they'd have the centerlock 771/772s coming in mid-March, same pricing as 6 bolt.

Given I'm away much of February and early march and I can borrow a set of road disc wheels the GF isn't using I think I might wait until then.

cycleclinic

I contacted notated eu about them today and they said they don't have any as I was the first to ask. So let's see how easy they will be to get hold of.

M1llh0use

So after starting out looking at factory wheelsets and drifting to hand hilts I'm headed back to factory.

Basically vision metron 40 or reynolds assault SLG. Both wide style, both CL hubs, both carbon rims.

Any opinions on pros/cons of either/both?

arlowood

M1llh0use wrote:

So after starting out looking at factory wheelsets and drifting to hand hilts I'm headed back to factory.

Basically vision metron 40 or reynolds assault SLG. Both wide style, both CL hubs, both carbon rims.

Any opinions on pros/cons of either/both?

Both are hovering around the £1K mark so they sort of blow your initial budget of £500 or less. :shock: Have you upped that in the intervening period?

M1llh0use

Well it's only money isn't it!!

Besides, they've got to look pimp...