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Antm81

Why though if everything was created in 6 days included ourselves, is there millions of years between the age of dinosaur remains and the earliest human remains?

Also if Adam was 60 metres tall (we'll ignore that you quoted him as being cubic metres tall for now while you work out what cubic metres is a measurement of), how come there are no remains of these giant humans that would of been Adams descendants?

cooldad

Cody wrote:

Antm81 wrote:

Dinosaurs?

Answer the question

...this is the field of science.... The believr should not be preoccupied with that and he should not waste time discussing it or believe that it is a matter that has any impact on his religious commitment or belief, because he knows that ....

...if he (or she - obviously women as thinking beings don't exist in Codyland) does (s)he'll realise that his religion is a bunch of superstitious codswallop.

rockmonkeysc

So this all loving, perfect god who loves everyone etc etc. Why did he create diseases such as cancer and then inflict them on people from all types of background, including children who have not yet had a chance to sin? If that's your idea of a perfect god then you're even more screwed up than we all think. And then there are all those people who kill in the name of a peace loving god. How does beheading someone on the internet believed to be serving a peace loving god? American extremist Christians are no better.
And then there's Jedward, Katie Price, Peter Andre, James Blunt, anyone who has ever been on reality tv, Ant & Dec and politicians. All men are created in gods own image?
These are all reasons why i will always be an athiest. If it turns out I'm wrong then I don't want to get in to a heaven created by a god who created all this pain and evil.

Angus Young

RockmonkeySC wrote:

These are all reasons why i will always be an athiest. If it turns out I'm wrong then I don't want to get in to a heaven created by a god who created all this pain and evil.

He is a mean spirited, miserable, sadistic sod, isn't he.

kirby700

In his imaginary conStephen Fryn with God, Fry says he would tell him: “How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault? It’s not right.

“It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”

Pressed by Byrne over how he would react if he was locked outside the pearly gates, Fry says: “I would say: ‘bone cancer in children? What’s that about?’

“Because the God who created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, utter maniac. Totally selfish. We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him?! What kind of god would do that?”

An extract from the Stephen Fry interview. What do you think Cody?

rockmonkeysc

Probably something about a punishment for tolerence of homosexuality. That seems to be the usual answer. I remember some bishop using that one when asked a similar question about the Gloucestershire flooding a few years back. If that's the case then why isn't Brighton like Atlantis?

RevellRider

Cody wrote:

RevellRider wrote:

Cody wrote:

blah blah blah I repeat what I was taught parrot fashion

Of the all the above you put, did any of it answer my question? I asked for peer reviewed and backed up by sources proof of a supreme being, not drivel. I'm not trying to debate religion, I'm trying to talk science.

God is science, science without the equasion of god is meaningless ... more drivel

Do you actually understand the difference between actual scientific fact with sources and religious babbling?

Cody wrote:

The people of heaven will be the age of Jesus when he descended to the heavens when the Roman Jewish Elite tried to kill him. He didn't die and was never crucified, he was raised to heaven. The age is 33 years old.

And what happens to a person if when 32 years old they have a horrific accident and lose their legs? Will they have their legs in heaven or does God, the Lord herself provide a divine wheelchair

welshkev

Cody, do you believe in ghosts?

cooldad

Cody wrote:

The people of heaven will be the age of Jesus when he descended to the heavens when the Roman Jewish Elite tried to kill him. He didn't die and was never crucified, he was raised to heaven. The age is 33 years old.

Me at 33 again, surrounded by hot 33 year old women all on their knees.

There might be something to this whole heaven business after all.

Angus Young

welshkev wrote:

Cody, do you believe in ghosts?

Don't be ridiculous, that would be irrational.

rockmonkeysc

This thing about 50 metre high dude. It's only in the last few centuries that we have had any sort of standardised measurements so one persons 60 metres could have been another persons 2 metres back then (if they had metres that is)

cooldad

It's a physical impossibility anyway. Unless he's getting Adam mixed up with a dinosaur.

Cody

Antm81 wrote:

Why though if everything was created in 6 days included ourselves

Also if Adam was 60 metres tall (we'll ignore that you quoted him as being cubic metres tall for now while you work out what cubic metres is a measurement of), how come there are no remains of these giant humans that would have been Adams descendants?

RockmonkeySC wrote:

These are all reasons why i will always be an athiest. If it turns out I'm wrong then I don't want to get in to a heaven created by a god who created all this pain and evil.

I honestly don't know. Different species have lived on the earth at times. In a saying by the final prophet, it says, "2000 years before humans set foot on earth, the jinn race lived on earth or the spirits made of fire. They had families like we do and had believers and disbelievers. They began to cause havoc and adultery and incest and fornication like the Jews did when Moses left them at the foot of the mountain for 40 days. Among these spirits, was a very very pious believer called, IBLIS. His real name as we now know is Satan and he helped the angels to destroy the jinn race who were disobeying god, and when god created prophet Adam he rebelled and said he was better than the perfect articulate creation of man who according to the final revelation, "was created in the best of forms". The rest of the story is self explanatory, read online about it. And remains of giant humans, well, you won't find them on here or internet. Go travel the middle east, you'll see plenty. Adam and Eve are buried there somewhere.

It's not me you should be asking why, you should be asking yourself. 6 days doesn't necessarily mean 6 days, it could be over a period of time like 1000 years could have been one day. In the final revelation, when god says. "I commanded the clouds and gases in the universe to come willingly or unwillingly, they obeyed my command and came willingly." This was at a time when the universe hadn't been formed yet, or the sun hadn't been placed as a lamp therein. So there was no existence of time, till the sun had been created .. not put there by chance or the big bang which creates clutter. The universe was full of gases and toxins at one point, so as the scripture describes, they were commanded to do an act which formed somethings in the universe, or the universe itself.

And the final revelation also says,

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

In regards to disbelief, you bury your head into sand like an ostrich and close your eyes to the truth. You think it will not happen to you if you do not think about it. You are wrong. The way to be saved from this torture is to repent not to avoid thinking. You cannot even put up with fire in this world. When your hand is burnt a bit, you suffer for days and moan. How will you put up with the fire in the hereafter, which is seventy times more severe though you cannot even put up with the fire in the world? Think of this: if people were thrown into fire due to a certain crime in the world, you would not approach that crime let alone committing it. Why are you so brave when the fire in the hereafter is in question? The fire in the world frightens you, but why does the fire in the hereafter not frighten you?

Majority of people in the world will be in hell, Christians, Jews and Muslims and some from periods before the final message was revealed, such as Magians and Sabeans who are also mentioned in the final revelation but were once believers and turned away from god, and perhaps ended up in government positions in those times and times of today and forgot they had a religion which was from god, like the Jews who are one example.

The prophet has taught us, and he has authority to say what he knows and what has been taught to him by revelation; He says; "From the Christians there will be 73 divided sects, 72 will enter hell and 1 will be saved. From the Jews there will be 72 divided sects, 71 will enter hell and 1 will be saved. From the Muslims there will be 70 sects, 69 will enter hell and 1 will be saved". I don't have enough time to shed light on this, but if you want, you can go online and research. But I will say, the one's going to heaven are what it says in the 4 books, Torah, Psalms, Bible and Qur'an, those who do not associate partners with god and call god not a son or a man and say not a word of contempt against god, and practice according to 'ORIGINAL' law that came down with the prophets, will be the successors.

Also in relation to the creation of the universe, the final revelation is not a book of science, but it explains the origins of it's beginning. An example would be the following;

When describing the creation of the "heavens and the earth," the Qur'an does not discount the theory of a "Big Bang" explosion at the start of it all. In fact, the Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30). Following this big explosion, Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We come (together) in willing obedience'" (41:11). Thus the elements and what was to become the planets and stars began to cool, come together, and form into shape, following the natural laws that Allah established in the universe.

Also, the planets which swim in perfect order are also described in the final revelation 1400 years ago when science was very primitive, trust me, Hubble's telescope was 'CREATED' ONLY 100 YEARS AGO, not by chance.

The Qur'an further states that Allah created the sun, the moon, and the planets, each with their own individual courses or orbits. "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course" (21:33).

Ask yourself, how could a man have known this 1400 years ago in the middle of a desert? if you think this was added in over the last 100 years as technology developed, look what great people have had to say about scientific facts about the final revelation in the past, before any of this was even proven in recent times.



I went for a ride today, did 40 minutes of low to medium intensity uphill and straight paths, this time went to park. This was after 2 months of not riding by the way, felt itchy all over, maybe cos I drank a coffee an hour before. I was knackered, it was really difficult I tell ya. Drank a glass of water before and after. And had a little nibble on some granola oats and pumpkin seeds.

rockmonkeysc

You still make no sense.
i rode for about an hour. Really amazing and intense downhill trails, the sort of riding that still scares me. Met some nice medics and got some free bandages. Good times. Now for six weeks of xbox and no riding.

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

Cody talked a complete load of uninformed, deluded drivel...

And then, finally talked about cycling...

Cody wrote:

I went for a ride today, did 40 minutes of low to medium intensity uphill and straight paths, this time went to park. This was after 2 months of not riding by the way, felt itchy all over, maybe cos I drank a coffee an hour before. I was knackered, it was really difficult I tell ya. Drank a glass of water before and after. And had a little nibble on some granola oats and pumpkin seeds.

Well done. And as for the 'really difficult' part... It's supposed to be. Don't let it be another 2 months before you go again.

Angus Young

Cody wrote:

Cody said stuff about life, the universe and everything as if it were actually true...

The bottom of my garden is a long way from my kitchen window and very hard to get to so I’ve never been down there. I can, though, kind of see it from my kitchen window and, as I gaze out, I often wonder what might be down there. One day my curiosity got the better of me, so I engaged the services of a scientist. I asked him to investigate what might be hidden in the bushes.

He was gone for quite some time but, upon his return, he declared, “Nothing!” This was most disappointing. But then he continued “But there was something. It was a long time ago, but there was definitely something.” “What was it?” I asked eagerly. “Car tyres.” he replied. This was disappointingly prosaic. I was hoping for something more exciting but, well, at least I had an answer. “But, wait a minute!” I said “If there is nothing there, how do you know that something was there before and how can you be so sure what it was?” “I found faint imprints in the mud below the bushes” he said “and from this I was able work out the nature of the objects. I was also able to tell what type of tyre, the various makes of tyre and how many tyres, 12 in all.” The scientist presented his findings along with his methodology, cross references against verifiable facts and evidence of his reasoning. He also highlighted any areas of his research over which there might be reasonable doubt. I thanked him for his efforts.

As convincing as the scientist’s case was, I decided the word of one man was not enough. I engaged the services of a second scientist. After much rooting around in my bushes the second scientist declared that, at some time in the past, car tyres had been discarded under my bushes. He presented his findings and they matched those of the first scientist.

While I had no reason to doubt the word of these two fine gentlemen (other than my naturally questioning disposition) and no grounds to suspect any form of collusion, I thought it wise to engage the services of a third scientist before accepting The Car Tyre Theory. The third scientist set to work. After much investigation he came to a shock conclusion: Indeed, there had at some time in the past been car tyres under my bushes but… not 12! There had, in fact, been 13 car tyres. Again, methodology and reasoning were clearly laid out for examination. I thanked the third scientist for his efforts.

So, there was some disagreement between the scientists. I gathered together the first and second scientists and presented the work of the third. While the first and second scientists were convinced of their scrupulous examination of the facts they did, to my surprise, pour over the findings of the third scientist with much relish. They worked long into the night until, finally, they enthusiastically endorsed the findings of the third scientist. They had, in fact, overlooked the partial imprint of a 13th tyre. So slight was the imprint that they were unable, at present, to identify the make or nature of the 13th tyre, but 13 there were.

Despite the fact that there were still things that might one day be discovered, I was finally satisfied as to the nature of the mystery that lay at the bottom of the garden. After a while, though, I began to think – might there be another way of looking at the bottom of my garden…

I called the local church. They seemed surprisingly keen to tell me what was at the bottom of my garden and, duly, 3 upstanding parishioners arrived at my door. I asked “Please would you go to the bottom of my garden and tell me what might be there?” With absolute certainty they replied, as one, “We have no need to go to the bottom of your garden to know what is there.” I was quite taken aback by both the notion that a visit to the bottom of my garden was unnecessary and their certainty as to what lay under my bushes. I asked, “So, what is at the bottom of my garden?” With remarkably straight faces they replied, “Pixies!” Naturally that was not the answer I was expecting. Setting aside the unlikelihood of the existence pixies for a moment I asked, “But how can you be so sure if you haven’t even so much as looked?” They replied, “Many, many years ago, long before our time, a member of our church owned this very house and he saw them with his very own eyes! He proceeded to write about them at great length and, today, everyone of us has a copy of his writings. We have no doubt that every word is true and, therefore, the existence of pixies is true.” When I offered that this seemed to be in contradiction to the evidence collected by the scientists they were quick to point out that the scientists did not, and could not ever, see the car tyres and, therefore, any claim to their existence was, in itself, little more than an act of faith. They, on the other hand, had an old book which contained stories about pixies living at the bottom of my garden. No sir, it was absolutely, definitely pixies, because they had a book that said so.

I decided to go with The Car Tyre Theory.

cooldad

TL:DR version.

Real stuff is real, paranormal is bullshit.

Angus Young

cooldad wrote:

TL:DR

In part, that was the point.

cooldad

Angus Young wrote:

cooldad wrote:

TL:DR

In part, that was the point.

But you forgot to mention what you were eating whilst doing all of the research. Crucial part, and I'm a bit disappointed. Surely you must have munched some bacon meat? Or even a tasty roast chicken bird.

Angus Young

I tried eating, but it didn't agree with me. Don't know how to do it. I've now taken to smearing myself with granola, which I find far more satisfying.

cooldad

I keep a jar full of liver meat for similar purposes. Together with a lime and some string.

katiebob

Angus Young wrote:

Cody wrote:

Cody said stuff about life, the universe and everything as if it were actually true...

The bottom of my garden is a long way from my kitchen window and very hard to get to so I’ve never been down there. I can, though, kind of see it from my kitchen window and, as I gaze out, I often wonder what might be down there. One day my curiosity got the better of me, so I engaged the services of a scientist. I asked him to investigate what might be hidden in the bushes.

He was gone for quite some time but, upon his return, he declared, “Nothing!” This was most disappointing. But then he continued “But there was something. It was a long time ago, but there was definitely something.” “What was it?” I asked eagerly. “Car tyres.” he replied. This was disappointingly prosaic. I was hoping for something more exciting but, well, at least I had an answer. “But, wait a minute!” I said “If there is nothing there, how do you know that something was there before and how can you be so sure what it was?” “I found faint imprints in the mud below the bushes” he said “and from this I was able work out the nature of the objects. I was also able to tell what type of tyre, the various makes of tyre and how many tyres, 12 in all.” The scientist presented his findings along with his methodology, cross references against verifiable facts and evidence of his reasoning. He also highlighted any areas of his research over which there might be reasonable doubt. I thanked him for his efforts.

As convincing as the scientist’s case was, I decided the word of one man was not enough. I engaged the services of a second scientist. After much rooting around in my bushes the second scientist declared that, at some time in the past, car tyres had been discarded under my bushes. He presented his findings and they matched those of the first scientist.

While I had no reason to doubt the word of these two fine gentlemen (other than my naturally questioning disposition) and no grounds to suspect any form of collusion, I thought it wise to engage the services of a third scientist before accepting The Car Tyre Theory. The third scientist set to work. After much investigation he came to a shock conclusion: Indeed, there had at some time in the past been car tyres under my bushes but… not 12! There had, in fact, been 13 car tyres. Again, methodology and reasoning were clearly laid out for examination. I thanked the third scientist for his efforts.

So, there was some disagreement between the scientists. I gathered together the first and second scientists and presented the work of the third. While the first and second scientists were convinced of their scrupulous examination of the facts they did, to my surprise, pour over the findings of the third scientist with much relish. They worked long into the night until, finally, they enthusiastically endorsed the findings of the third scientist. They had, in fact, overlooked the partial imprint of a 13th tyre. So slight was the imprint that they were unable, at present, to identify the make or nature of the 13th tyre, but 13 there were.

Despite the fact that there were still things that might one day be discovered, I was finally satisfied as to the nature of the mystery that lay at the bottom of the garden. After a while, though, I began to think – might there be another way of looking at the bottom of my garden…

I called the local church. They seemed surprisingly keen to tell me what was at the bottom of my garden and, duly, 3 upstanding parishioners arrived at my door. I asked “Please would you go to the bottom of my garden and tell me what might be there?” With absolute certainty they replied, as one, “We have no need to go to the bottom of your garden to know what is there.” I was quite taken aback by both the notion that a visit to the bottom of my garden was unnecessary and their certainty as to what lay under my bushes. I asked, “So, what is at the bottom of my garden?” With remarkably straight faces they replied, “Pixies!” Naturally that was not the answer I was expecting. Setting aside the unlikelihood of the existence pixies for a moment I asked, “But how can you be so sure if you haven’t even so much as looked?” They replied, “Many, many years ago, long before our time, a member of our church owned this very house and he saw them with his very own eyes! He proceeded to write about them at great length and, today, everyone of us has a copy of his writings. We have no doubt that every word is true and, therefore, the existence of pixies is true.” When I offered that this seemed to be in contradiction to the evidence collected by the scientists they were quick to point out that the scientists did not, and could not ever, see the car tyres and, therefore, any claim to their existence was, in itself, little more than an act of faith. They, on the other hand, had an old book which contained stories about pixies living at the bottom of my garden. No sir, it was absolutely, definitely pixies, because they had a book that said so.

I decided to go with The Car Tyre Theory.

Epic

Chunkers1980

Cody wrote:

the tomb of Prophet Muhammad is in Medina, and we also know which science won't ever be able to explain with even the most advanced technology, is that the bodies of prophets do not deteriorate over time or decay like normal humans do.

Why couldn't we just x-ray it?

welshkev

could I just get an explanation why you're still quoting a made up book as fact? :?

and what about ghosts cody? if you believe in the afterlife surely you believe in ghosts?

welshkev

Chunkers1980 wrote:

Cody wrote:

the tomb of Prophet Muhammad is in Medina, and we also know which science won't ever be able to explain with even the most advanced technology, is that the bodies of prophets do not deteriorate over time or decay like normal humans do.

Why couldn't we just x-ray it?

I want to see pictures of these prophets with age verification to make sure it's not one of your mates led in a coffin for a laugh!

cooldad

I thought you needed kryptonite for superman?

Antm81

What's happened? No replies, has Cody been eaten by dinosaurs?

Anyway

Cody wrote:

6 days doesn't necessarily mean 6 days, it could be over a period of time like 1000 years could have been one day.

If 6 days is not 6 days why say it's 6 days, a day is a specific measurement of time (24 hours, I'm sure you learnt this at some point) and not 100 years, so by saying 6 days and meaning more that just proves that your vey good story is full of inaccuracies, lies and false information. Therefore I refuse to believe anything within it if they cant work out the difference between 24 hours and 1000 years.

rockmonkeysc

Due to a particularly severe shoulder injury im stuck with turbo trainer sessions. As a tribute to Cody i had a religious inspieed soundtrack including Jesus Jones, Jesus dont want me for a sunbeam, Jesus built my hotrod, Psalm 69, Godsmack, and Beatles (they were bigger than god!).

Cody

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Met some nice medics and got some free bandages. Good times. Now for six weeks of xbox and no riding.

Free bandages eh, I use to wear a bandage which looked like a sock, I'd put it on my legs to keep cold out on an evening whilst riding home. I'll have to invest in a pair of long johns from Primark for that, but Springs only round the corner now so don't know if I'll find much use for them, or maybe I will.

Why you not riding for 6 weeks, what's the reason? Won't you lose energy and power during that time?

Cody

Angus Young wrote:

Cody wrote:

And then, finally talked about cycling...

Cody wrote:

I went for a ride today, did 40 minutes of low to medium intensity uphill and straight paths, this time went to park. This was after 2 months of not riding by the way, felt itchy all over, maybe cos I drank a coffee an hour before. I was knackered, it was really difficult I tell ya. Drank a glass of water before and after. And had a little nibble on some granola oats and pumpkin seeds.

Well done. And as for the 'really difficult' part... It's supposed to be. Don't let it be another 2 months before you go again.

Well it's been a week today or 2 weeks since I've been. I've been really unwell, had to take a week off work about 2 week ago due to chest infection which I'm not taking any medication for, except natural farm organic honey, lemon and water and that's pretty much it, it's helped a lot to get rid of mucus and the blood in my chest which was sputing out. Worst case came when I couldn't stop coughing so had to buy a bottle of Benylin from pharmacy without added paracetamol and stuff, took it 2 days and left it, didn't bother with it.

I haven't joined the gym yet, but will do soon. Just been busy selling things on eBay in evening and making some quick cash. Listing items takes up a bit of time so by end of evening, once all items are on Gumtree and eBay, It's bedtime lol