Tour de France Stage 6: Arras - Reims ***Spoilers***
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The Peter Sagan award for reliability.0
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lawrences wrote:The Peter Sagan award for reliability.
The Sagan Prize. Awarded in honour of the great Carl - somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known - Sagan, to the person who discovers what Peter Sagan is actually for....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:You all ready for this one?
Sure?
Ok
We've had the HTC sprint train.
We've had the Sky Mountain train.
Is this the
Wait for it
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keydon wrote:mfin wrote:Phil Liggett's commentary is appalling
Always was, but 25 years ago we did in row any better!!
Anyone beholden to Arsethong is gonna be dreadful!!
He's always been awful, but he just get's worse. He can't even say what he's seeing anymore, he can't read situations, he just cocks up all the time. I don't care what he knows about cycling either, the fact is this: He's doing a commentators job and he is sh1t at commentating.0 -
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Roy Curvers - road captain for the sprint train for Kittel was fuming when he came over the line.
Puts the blame for Kittel being dropped at the team's door, not Marcel's.0 -
I thought Phil said he'd stop commentating after the Lance confession..?0
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Is that episode 10? I'm just about to see episode 10.0
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Who's more badass, the cyclist or the criminal?0
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Wonder if they'll let Cheng have a pop in the breakaway in some stage in week 3, when everyone is knackered and he has been in the bus up the mountains.0
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mfin wrote:keydon wrote:mfin wrote:Phil Liggett's commentary is appalling
Always was, but 25 years ago we did in row any better!!
Anyone beholden to Arsethong is gonna be dreadful!!
He's always been awful, but he just get's worse. He can't even say what he's seeing anymore, he can't read situations, he just cocks up all the time. I don't care what he knows about cycling either, the fact is this: He's doing a commentators job and he is sh1t at commentating.
I was in the north London shop in 2005 when Fill Legit came in to do an ITV 6? oclock news item in praise of Lance.This was the day or so of the first big revelations post tour in the French cycling press. The memorable line was "if you only knew the man you would know he'd never do such a thing as doping", afterwards I was filled in a bit more on the connection. I've never had a moment for him since!!0 -
Graeme_S wrote:I'm starting to feel that the Green Jersey has turned into the Peter Sagan Jersey for being Peter Sagan, awarded to the rider in Paris who has been the most consistently Peter Sagan rider throughout the tour. Under the current rules I just can't see anybody else ever winning it, and it doesn't really allow us to see Sagan at his most exciting either. Finishing every non-Mountain/TT stage in the top 5 is mightily impressive, but it's not particularly exciting to watch.
I don't think he is anywhere near the level he was in 2012 when he was able to boss not only the green jersey but be more competitive in the sprints, winning 3 stages. Last year the only one he won was when Cannondale dropped the sprint trains at the end of the first week. He's flattered to deceive all season, E3 apart when he outgunned a breakway trio that couldn't sprint, and is showing signs of being tactically suspect. This is his 5th year at WT level and 6th as a pro. Fair enough, he is not going all out to beat Kittel as it's all about picking up points behind him, but two days in succession have passed him by where he could have done something. Caught napping by his own admission when the Astana guys went up the road on stage 5 and then yesterday was way too far back to get involved in a sprint which, being uphill, was in his domain. Perhaps the crash had had some effect but I do feel he's beginning to doubt himself. The two bumps before the finish today set up a finale even more to his liking, but he'll have to better the likes of Kwiatkowski who has already put him in his place in a head-to-head at Strade Bianche.
I really like Sagan as a rider and hope he gets the win this afternoon but at the same time, I'm sure it was Daniel Friebe that said the peloton have noticed he is not where he should be physically. Maybe this is the wake-up call he needs? Can't see Tinkov settling for the 2nd best, 'jack of all trades, master of none' that he is fast becoming.0 -
I think we'll see where's he's at on Saturday, as he could have lost some top end speed to be able to compete on the lumpy stuff.
His interview with procycling recently suggested he can pretty much turn his hand to anything he wants to really, he just needs the motivation0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Excitingly, it's Cheng's birthday on the rest day on Tuesday0
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"Bjarne, he's concussed. He doesn't know who he is"TailWindHome wrote:
"Good. Tell him he's Eddy Merckx and put him back on the bike"
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argyllflyer wrote:Graeme_S wrote:I'm starting to feel that the Green Jersey has turned into the Peter Sagan Jersey for being Peter Sagan, awarded to the rider in Paris who has been the most consistently Peter Sagan rider throughout the tour. Under the current rules I just can't see anybody else ever winning it, and it doesn't really allow us to see Sagan at his most exciting either. Finishing every non-Mountain/TT stage in the top 5 is mightily impressive, but it's not particularly exciting to watch.
I don't think he is anywhere near the level he was in 2012 when he was able to boss not only the green jersey but be more competitive in the sprints, winning 3 stages. Last year the only one he won was when Cannondale dropped the sprint trains at the end of the first week. He's flattered to deceive all season, E3 apart when he outgunned a breakway trio that couldn't sprint, and is showing signs of being tactically suspect. This is his 5th year at WT level and 6th as a pro. Fair enough, he is not going all out to beat Kittel as it's all about picking up points behind him, but two days in succession have passed him by where he could have done something. Caught napping by his own admission when the Astana guys went up the road on stage 5 and then yesterday was way too far back to get involved in a sprint which, being uphill, was in his domain. Perhaps the crash had had some effect but I do feel he's beginning to doubt himself. The two bumps before the finish today set up a finale even more to his liking, but he'll have to better the likes of Kwiatkowski who has already put him in his place in a head-to-head at Strade Bianche.
I really like Sagan as a rider and hope he gets the win this afternoon but at the same time, I'm sure it was Daniel Friebe that said the peloton have noticed he is not where he should be physically. Maybe this is the wake-up call he needs? Can't see Tinkov settling for the 2nd best, 'jack of all trades, master of none' that he is fast becoming.
To be fair, I think he has sacrificed his top end speed to be more of a 'puncheur' type rider. I reckon he will be the next one day specialist very soon.Scott Speedster S20 Roadie for Speed
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keydon wrote:mfin wrote:keydon wrote:mfin wrote:Phil Liggett's commentary is appalling
Always was, but 25 years ago we did in row any better!!
Anyone beholden to Arsethong is gonna be dreadful!!
He's always been awful, but he just get's worse. He can't even say what he's seeing anymore, he can't read situations, he just cocks up all the time. I don't care what he knows about cycling either, the fact is this: He's doing a commentators job and he is sh1t at commentating.
I was in the north London shop in 2005 when Fill Legit came in to do an ITV 6? oclock news item in praise of Lance.This was the day or so of the first big revelations post tour in the French cycling press. The memorable line was "if you only knew the man you would know he'd never do such a thing as doping", afterwards I was filled in a bit more on the connection. I've never had a moment for him since!!
Absolutely, he sold out cycling to curry favour with his American paymasters. Plus he's a poor commentator. Can't stand the guy.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
goonz wrote:argyllflyer wrote:Graeme_S wrote:I'm starting to feel that the Green Jersey has turned into the Peter Sagan Jersey for being Peter Sagan, awarded to the rider in Paris who has been the most consistently Peter Sagan rider throughout the tour. Under the current rules I just can't see anybody else ever winning it, and it doesn't really allow us to see Sagan at his most exciting either. Finishing every non-Mountain/TT stage in the top 5 is mightily impressive, but it's not particularly exciting to watch.
I don't think he is anywhere near the level he was in 2012 when he was able to boss not only the green jersey but be more competitive in the sprints, winning 3 stages. Last year the only one he won was when Cannondale dropped the sprint trains at the end of the first week. He's flattered to deceive all season, E3 apart when he outgunned a breakway trio that couldn't sprint, and is showing signs of being tactically suspect. This is his 5th year at WT level and 6th as a pro. Fair enough, he is not going all out to beat Kittel as it's all about picking up points behind him, but two days in succession have passed him by where he could have done something. Caught napping by his own admission when the Astana guys went up the road on stage 5 and then yesterday was way too far back to get involved in a sprint which, being uphill, was in his domain. Perhaps the crash had had some effect but I do feel he's beginning to doubt himself. The two bumps before the finish today set up a finale even more to his liking, but he'll have to better the likes of Kwiatkowski who has already put him in his place in a head-to-head at Strade Bianche.
I really like Sagan as a rider and hope he gets the win this afternoon but at the same time, I'm sure it was Daniel Friebe that said the peloton have noticed he is not where he should be physically. Maybe this is the wake-up call he needs? Can't see Tinkov settling for the 2nd best, 'jack of all trades, master of none' that he is fast becoming.
To be fair, I think he has sacrificed his top end speed to be more of a 'puncheur' type rider. I reckon he will be the next one day specialist very soon.
We forget he's only 24... ("only")We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Was just watching th highlights. Someone (Rick?) said that Renshaw is a great leadout man because he is great at positioning but has nt got enough of a sprint to win - today was an excellent example of that. He appeared from nowhere in the perfect position but Greipel just rode away from him...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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TailWindHome wrote:
Great job boss. You can't even see the join.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
ddraver wrote:
We forget he's only 24... ("only")
People who excel at a young age don't necessarily carry that into their more mature years. 2nd again today. These stages in 2012 would have been Sagan wins.0 -
Thats a bit harsh, had he sat in over the last climb he would have won, as it was he attacked and used up too much energy and still got 2nd.argyllflyer wrote:ddraver wrote:
We forget he's only 24... ("only")
People who excel at a young age don't necessarily carry that into their more mature years. 2nd again today. These stages in 2012 would have been Sagan wins.0 -
Does "Sagan's finished" Replace the stock "Cav's finished" now? ;-)
He'll be back, and in greater numbers.0 -
There could be some truth to the point that by now, after raking up the wins year after year in the firt few years f his career, he has got bored with 'just' winning stages, and is only interested in winning them 'big'.oldwelshman wrote:
Thats a bit harsh, had he sat in over the last climb he would have won, as it was he attacked and used up too much energy and still got 2nd.argyllflyer wrote:ddraver wrote:
We forget he's only 24... ("only")
People who excel at a young age don't necessarily carry that into their more mature years. 2nd again today. These stages in 2012 would have been Sagan wins.0
