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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Yes and no, really. Froome defends more attacks himself than Wiggins. And when you've only got a handful of seconds on the attacker, who appears to be evenly matched, and you're in the last couple of km of the climb... I'd have expected Froome to leave Porte and chase Contador down. Unless he felt he wasn't up to it. Better to be able to blame the loss on a misjudgement or weakness in the team than risk losing in a show of strength.

    We were discussing earlier in the thread that with Froome the tactic is to go hard early, leaving him isolated later and let his strength show in the last few km. This looks like the downside of the tactic.

    In the new season Void Idol, shown first in US, Wiggins apparently rides the whole thing on the front.
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    Milton50 wrote:
    When Froome did jump away from Porte and try to ride down Contador the gap stopped growing.

    Froome had blown by the finish which is why he was recaught by riders behind. If he'd jumped past Porte earlier he would have blown earlier and probably been caught by more riders. Contador was stronger on that slope yesterday. I doubt Froome's accident helped... but as the Col de la Morte showed Contador is also prepared to take more risks or a better bike handler, or both.
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,116
    inseine wrote:
    Amazing photographs of the route yesterday. Where is that bridge into the village with the mountain behind?

    Not in the Haute Savoie that's for sure. It must come from when they were around Sisteron or the Ardeche region.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    Macaloon wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Yes and no, really. Froome defends more attacks himself than Wiggins. And when you've only got a handful of seconds on the attacker, who appears to be evenly matched, and you're in the last couple of km of the climb... I'd have expected Froome to leave Porte and chase Contador down. Unless he felt he wasn't up to it. Better to be able to blame the loss on a misjudgement or weakness in the team than risk losing in a show of strength.

    We were discussing earlier in the thread that with Froome the tactic is to go hard early, leaving him isolated later and let his strength show in the last few km. This looks like the downside of the tactic.

    In the new season Void Idol, shown first in US, Wiggins apparently rides the whole thing on the front.

    He was Uncle Brad, taking the kiddies out for a ride.
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    davidof wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Amazing photographs of the route yesterday. Where is that bridge into the village with the mountain behind?

    Not in the Haute Savoie that's for sure. It must come from when they were around Sisteron or the Ardeche region.
    It's Sisteron itself
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    FleshTuxedo wrote:
    ...so I think this could be a damp squib GC-wise.

    I'm afraid I tend to agree. It'll be a bit of after the Lord Mayor's show I guess although there may be a bit of minor skirmishing for third place. I don't see a breakaway succeeding either as Sky won't want to lose the potential of bonus seconds
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    I'd be surprised if it's not Froome, Contador, and maybe Talansky together at the finish.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Be interesting to see if Froome has a real go and risks tiring himself out and Contador coming over the top of him and dropping him. Make no difference to the result but would Froome be happy to see Contador finishing well ahead ? The other way round you suspect Contador would roll the dice and give it a go.
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  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    FJS wrote:
    davidof wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Amazing photographs of the route yesterday. Where is that bridge into the village with the mountain behind?

    Not in the Haute Savoie that's for sure. It must come from when they were around Sisteron or the Ardeche region.
    It's Sisteron itself

    You get stunning views from the side that photo was taken up at the Citadelle.
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    edited June 2014
    FIREWORKS :twisted:! After 25 km a group of 16 with very juicy names, including Nieve, Porte and Lopez, and Talansky :shock: ! More than 2 minute advantage. Also Westra, Hesjedal, Vandenbroeck, Peraud, Voeckler. They certainly make the Saxos work for it

    David Lopez, Mikel Nieve, Richie Porte (Sky), Tanel Kangert, Lieuwe Westra (Astana), Dani Navarro, Yoann Bagot (Cofidis), Adam Yates (Orica), Igor Anton, John Gadret (Movistar), Romain Bardet, Alexis Gougeard, Jean-Christoph Péraud (AG2R), Thomas Voeckler (Europcar), Jurgen Van den Broeck, Tony Gallopin, Pim Ligthart (Lotto), Kristjan Koren (Cannondale), Tejay van Garderen (BMC), Yuriy Trofimov (Katusha), Ryder Hesjedal, Andrew Talansky (Garmin), Bartosz Huzarski (NetApp).
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    edited June 2014
    Interesting to see the 23 man break with 3 Sky riders, TvG, Talansky, Yates and VdB. 2.35 up on the peloton, some very good other riders in there too going for a stage win such as Bardet, Voeckler, Westra, Trofimov, Navarro, Peraud etc.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    edited June 2014
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Be interesting to see if Froome has a real go and risks tiring himself out and Contador coming over the top of him and dropping him. Make no difference to the result but would Froome be happy to see Contador finishing well ahead ? The other way round you suspect Contador would roll the dice and give it a go.

    Nibali or Contador would have a go at designing a scenario (at least) to create maximum angst in their opponents. I can't imagine Sky telling Nieve to have a go from distance for the stage win/GC forcing an isolated Contador to worry about Talansky and Kelderman as well as Froome. Using Nieve as chief stoker is a stpendous waste of talent.

    Edit: what do I know

    23 ridersin the lead

    The 23 breakaway riders are: David Lopez, Mikel Nieve, Richie Porte (Sky), Tanel Kangert, Lieuwe Westra (Astana), Dani Navarro, Yoann Bagot (Cofidis), Adam Yates (Orica), Igor Anton, John Gadret (Movistar), Romain Bardet, Alexis Gougeard, Jean-Christoph Péraud (AG2R), Thomas Voeckler (Europcar), Jurgen Van den Broeck, Tony Gallopin, Pim Ligthart (Lotto), Kristjan Koren (Cannondale), Tejay van Garderen (BMC), Yuriy Trofimov (Katusha), Ryder Hesjedal, Andrew Talansky (Garmin), Bartosz Huzarski (NetApp).

    2.10 at km 29
    The 23 leaders have an advantage of 2.10 at km 29. Andrew Talansky (Garmin) is the virtual leader of the Dauphiné.
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    Macaloon wrote:
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Be interesting to see if Froome has a real go and risks tiring himself out and Contador coming over the top of him and dropping him. Make no difference to the result but would Froome be happy to see Contador finishing well ahead ? The other way round you suspect Contador would roll the dice and give it a go.

    Nibali or Contador would have a go at designing a scenario (at least) to create maximum angst in their opponents. I can't imagine Sky telling Nieve to have a go from distance for the stage win/GC forcing an isolated Contador to worry about Talansky and Kelderman as well as Froome. Using Nieve as chief stoker is a stpendous waste of talent.
    I suggest you check what's happpening in the race :wink:
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Gap 3.20.

    This could be very interesting indeed.
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    More than 3 minutes now for the Talansky-NievePorteLopez-VDB-Yates group. Won't be easy for Saxobank to pull back a group of 16 strong riders
  • philwint
    philwint Posts: 763
    nothing on eurosport yet :(
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Uff that break is crazy strong. No idea how Saxo could let it go unless Contador doesnt care about the overall as he has said numerous times. Not Saxo's full Tour team here by any means though - in fact it is a weak team and they will struggle to pull this back unless they crack. Only thing though is whether Froome would be happy for Talansky to win. Very interesting!
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  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    flipping heck Mr Tinkov is going to go nuts
  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Uff that break is crazy strong. No idea how Saxo could let it go unless Contador doesnt care about the overall as he has said numerous times. Not Saxo's full Tour team here by any means though - in fact it is a weak team and they will struggle to pull this back unless they crack. Only thing though is whether Froome would be happy for Talansky to win. Very interesting!

    Hard to pull back but easier to not let go ?

    21.CONTADOR Alberto
    22.VALGREN Michael
    23.HERNáNDEZ Jesús
    24.PAULINHO Sérgio
    25.PIRES Bruno
    26.SøRENSEN Nicki
    27.BELTRAN Edward
    28.SUTHERLAND Rory
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Looks like Sky are patrolling the break rather than forcing it onwards and other teams are helping Saxo now.
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    Sky clearly sent Nieve Porte and Lopez ahead to help Froome with a long range attack, but Talansky ending up in the same group poses a bit of a dilemma for them. They don't want them to go ahead too much

    For Saxo it'll be very difficult to close that gap, without any help. Unless those 16 disintegrate with contrasting objectives.

    Very interesting situation. Shame there's no live images yet
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    FJS wrote:
    I suggest you check what's happpening in the race :wink:

    :D
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  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    Now a chasing group of 17: Chris Froome, Vassil Kiryienka, Danny Pate, Geraint Thomas (Sky), Vincenzo Nibali, Jakob Fuglsang (Astana), Alberto Contador (Tinkoff), Luis Maté (Cofidis), Mikaël Chérel, Ben Gastauer (AG2R), Sébastien Reichenbach (IAM), Darwin Atapuma (BMC), Dani Moreno (Katusha), Jan Bakelants (OPQS), Wilco Kelderman, Martijn Keizer (Belkin), Leo König (NetApp).
    Seems more like a very much reduced peloton yet.

    Those short mountain stages can be explosive!
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    Bertie isolated!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Interesting and more interesting...
    Correlation is not causation.
  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    why havent Tinkoff got one from Roche/Rogers/Majka? - they are not at Suisse and Kelderman has recovered OK
  • specialgueststar
    specialgueststar Posts: 3,418
    FJS wrote:
    Bertie isolated!

    Tinovs big cheque book coming out
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    This could well become one of the tastiest days of racing of the year, and no live TV :(
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    It looks like this could be as interesting as last year's stage 9 of the Tour, which was televised from the off I hasten to add.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Give me more
    Give me more Posts: 487
    The pain of a stage being immensely exciting and not being able to see it...

    Just hope things are exciting after coverage starts too.

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