Lack of knowledge...
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Slowbike wrote:
Oh come on ...Carbonator wrote:How do you expect them to know about this stuff?
Do you think they go on training courses just for that one time someone brings in a tub wheel/tyre (that they bought somewhere else) to be fitted by them because they are convenient?
I'd expect anyone calling themselves a bike mechanic to at least heard of tubs even if they've never seen one. They are not that obscure.
With reference to my post above it would be useful to know what proportion of bikes (not just road bikes) actually use tubs. I reckon it will be a tiny percentage and therefore not unusual to find bike shops and bike mechanics who know very little, even nothing about them.
I've had a bike all my life (I'm 51) and only recently found out that tubs existed.0 -
Navrig2 wrote:I've had a bike all my life (I'm 51) and only recently found out that tubs existed.
Seconded (but only 37), I've know about tubeless for years but not bothered with them but these "tubs" and "clincher" terms are all new to me.
Clinchers are just tyres.Advocate of disc brakes.0 -
Slowbike wrote:
Oh come on ...Carbonator wrote:How do you expect them to know about this stuff?
Do you think they go on training courses just for that one time someone brings in a tub wheel/tyre (that they bought somewhere else) to be fitted by them because they are convenient?
I'd expect anyone calling themselves a bike mechanic to at least heard of tubs even if they've never seen one. They are not that obscure.
If you read/quoted my whole post you would see that exactly what I said about a mechanic :roll:0 -
Carbonator wrote:Slowbike wrote:
Oh come on ...Carbonator wrote:How do you expect them to know about this stuff?
Do you think they go on training courses just for that one time someone brings in a tub wheel/tyre (that they bought somewhere else) to be fitted by them because they are convenient?
I'd expect anyone calling themselves a bike mechanic to at least heard of tubs even if they've never seen one. They are not that obscure.
If you read/quoted my whole post you would see that exactly what I said about a mechanic :roll:
yer - but that doesn't start arguments does it ...
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I am not surprised that the mechanics were confused. I am and I am The Mechanic. From the OP, are we talking about tubs or Tubeless tyres? I don't think the OP is clear so how can you expect a bike shop to be. Of course, if I had seen the wheels and tyres I would have known instantly, and would expect any "mechanic" to do likewise.I have only two things to say to that; Bo***cks0
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I live in a town with a 450 strong cycle club and 4 other clubs within a 20 mile radius. They all have a strong racing heritage. I am not sure if any of the three bike shops in town stock tubs let alone tubular rims.I have only two things to say to that; Bo***cks0 -
The Mechanic wrote:I am not surprised that the mechanics were confused. I am and I am The Mechanic. From the OP, are we talking about tubs or Tubeless tyres? I don't think the OP is clear so how can you expect a bike shop to be. Of course, if I had seen the wheels and tyres I would have known instantly, and would expect any "mechanic" to do likewise.
"I have a pair of tubular tyres, I have a pair of tubular wheels."
As per my very first sentence, I think it's quite clear that I have tubular tyres & a pair of tubular wheels. Unless that's not clear enough? It was certainly clear when the mechanic had both wheel & tub in his hand
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So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning. 0
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Pituophis wrote:So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning.
The people in the shop don't even know what they are... that's fairly essential if you're in the industry.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
Plus, if you bothered reading the thread, I simply don't have the time to faff around with them and am quite content to let a mechanic do the faffing.
Now who's the turd.0 -
Iamnot Wiggins wrote:The Mechanic wrote:I am not surprised that the mechanics were confused. I am and I am The Mechanic. From the OP, are we talking about tubs or Tubeless tyres? I don't think the OP is clear so how can you expect a bike shop to be. Of course, if I had seen the wheels and tyres I would have known instantly, and would expect any "mechanic" to do likewise.
"I have a pair of tubular tyres, I have a pair of tubular wheels."
As per my very first sentence, I think it's quite clear that I have tubular tyres & a pair of tubular wheels. Unless that's not clear enough? It was certainly clear when the mechanic had both wheel & tub in his hand
I was in no doubt. If that helps.0 -
Navrig2 wrote:Iamnot Wiggins wrote:The Mechanic wrote:I am not surprised that the mechanics were confused. I am and I am The Mechanic. From the OP, are we talking about tubs or Tubeless tyres? I don't think the OP is clear so how can you expect a bike shop to be. Of course, if I had seen the wheels and tyres I would have known instantly, and would expect any "mechanic" to do likewise.
"I have a pair of tubular tyres, I have a pair of tubular wheels."
As per my very first sentence, I think it's quite clear that I have tubular tyres & a pair of tubular wheels. Unless that's not clear enough? It was certainly clear when the mechanic had both wheel & tub in his hand
I was in no doubt. If that helps.
Haha! I appreciate your support in these trying times 0 -
Grill wrote:Pituophis wrote:So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning.
The people in the shop don't even know what they are... that's fairly essential if you're in the industry.
Is it? Why?0 -
Navrig2 wrote:Grill wrote:Pituophis wrote:So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning.
The people in the shop don't even know what they are... that's fairly essential if you're in the industry.
Is it? Why?
Seriously? If you're business is cycling you should know the basics, just as in any industry. The consequence of not knowing is looking like a numpty and thus losing business.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
I'd expect a business to know about the stuff they sell, the two shops involved don't sell tubs.
Why should the mechanics be expert in something they may only use once a decade, I expect the amount of money lost through this lack of knowledge is minimal!0 -
Iamnot Wiggins wrote:
I appreciate that this is something that I need to learn to do myself but I really don't have the time at the moment.
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I wouldn't hold it against the mechanic. If the shop has a range of deep section Zipp's hanging off some shelves and a range of tubs etc to go with them, then maybe. Tubs to him are probably as common as people walking in for Alfine rebuilds. Besides, knowing how to change tubs is not important, what is important is how fast you can change them.
Had you of handed him a clincher, he'd have probably said 5min's and you'd be on your way0 -
Grill wrote:Navrig2 wrote:Grill wrote:Pituophis wrote:So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning.
The people in the shop don't even know what they are... that's fairly essential if you're in the industry.
Is it? Why?
Seriously? If you're business is cycling you should know the basics, just as in any industry. The consequence of not knowing is looking like a numpty and thus losing business.
Yes seriously. The volume of sales associated with fixing tubs to rims is likely to be miniscule given how many people use them and how many do it themselves. Add to that there is more of a skill, compared to fitting tyres to clinchers, so there will be a training and skills maintenance issue plus a potential liability issue of you get it wrong. All in all why would a bike shop which makes adequate turnover and profit fro sales and basic maintenance want to be doing tubs.Flasher wrote:I'd expect a business to know about the stuff they sell, the two shops involved don't sell tubs.
Why should the mechanics be expert in something they may only use once a decade, I expect the amount of money lost through this lack of knowledge is minimal!
This.0 -
Flasher wrote:Why should the mechanics be expert in something they may only use once a decade, I expect the amount of money lost through this lack of knowledge is minimal!
There's a big gap between being 'expert' in something, and having no knowledge of something whatsoever. Think about it.0 -
Isn't it true that he could only think about it if he was expert in thinking ... ?Imposter wrote:Flasher wrote:Why should the mechanics be expert in something they may only use once a decade, I expect the amount of money lost through this lack of knowledge is minimal!
There's a big gap between being 'expert' in something, and having no knowledge of something whatsoever. Think about it. 0 -
Slowbike wrote:
Isn't it true that he could only think about it if he was expert in thinking ... ?Imposter wrote:Flasher wrote:Why should the mechanics be expert in something they may only use once a decade, I expect the amount of money lost through this lack of knowledge is minimal!
There's a big gap between being 'expert' in something, and having no knowledge of something whatsoever. Think about it.
No, I think provided he has some knowledge of thinking, it's still do-able.. 0 -
Navrig2 wrote:Grill wrote:Navrig2 wrote:Grill wrote:Pituophis wrote:So the people in the shop didn't know how to put them on and they're "turds", but the OP doesn't know how to put them on either. Surely that must make him a turd too by his own reckoning.
The people in the shop don't even know what they are... that's fairly essential if you're in the industry.
Is it? Why?
Seriously? If you're business is cycling you should know the basics, just as in any industry. The consequence of not knowing is looking like a numpty and thus losing business.
Yes seriously. The volume of sales associated with fixing tubs to rims is likely to be miniscule given how many people use them and how many do it themselves. Add to that there is more of a skill, compared to fitting tyres to clinchers, so there will be a training and skills maintenance issue plus a potential liability issue of you get it wrong. All in all why would a bike shop which makes adequate turnover and profit fro sales and basic maintenance want to be doing tubs.
Since when do you have to know how to fit tubs to know what they are? There is no liability in knowledge.
I managed a ski and snowboard shop in the Alps for many years. Between myself and the owner there was almost nothing we didn't know. For those once in a blue moon occasions when something came up that we were ignorant about, you know what we did? We found out about it. There's a reason our repeat business put every other shop to shame.
Not one of the people that the OP came across even bothered to educate themselves on the subject. To me that is far more telling than the initial lack of knowledge.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
I do think going into Evans to get tubs fitted is a bit like taking your Lamborghini to Kwik Fit. Tubs are for racing and you've gone into London Bridge Evans whose raison d'etre is overcharging hapless commuters. And, as every one else has said, the time you've spent going into clearly inappropriate shops and then writing about it here could have been more profitably spent learning to do your tubs.0
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There are loads of cyclists who do not race and still ride tubs. I am one of them.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0
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Typical customer, coming in and thinking they know more than the paid professionals who work in the shop for a living.
Just face it - tubular tyres don't exist, and, if they did, you would need an inner tube.
Don't say you weren't warned.0 -
There is a dramatic lack of skills and those few shops who do have the skills are overworked.left the forum March 20230
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Grill wrote:There are loads of cyclists who do not race and still ride tubs. I am one of them.
Loads? I've no way to prove it but I'd be willing to hazard a tenner that it's less than 1%, if you have a way of finding out!- - - - - - - - - -
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DesWeller wrote:Grill wrote:There are loads of cyclists who do not race and still ride tubs. I am one of them.
Loads? I've no way to prove it but I'd be willing to hazard a tenner that it's less than 1%, if you have a way of finding out!
And what if it is? Just because your translation of vague terminology is different than mine doesn't mean that there isn't a sizeable sample. Go on the Weight Weenies forum and see how many ride tubs on a daily basis, you'll be surprised.
Even if use were limited to those who race, remaining ignorant to their existence would still be inexcusable for anyone in the industry.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
I agree, if you work in the business you must have an interest to the point that you should at least know what a tubular is... if you've not fitted one before, fair enough, but working in a shop and ignoring their existence is a bit worryingleft the forum March 20230
