Deep alloy clincher rims

sloppyschleckonds

Well they nearly fit your criteria. Alloy with a deep carbon fairing.

dubbs2009 wrote:

Thinking of a new set of deep alloy wheels. Probs clincher and 40-50mm deep. Anyone have any insight on a decent set ? Budget is < £600.

dubbs2009

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Well they nearly fit your criteria. Alloy with a deep carbon fairing.

dubbs2009 wrote:

Thinking of a new set of deep alloy wheels. Probs clincher and 40-50mm deep. Anyone have any insight on a decent set ? Budget is < £600.

Thanks - so basically, the deal is - if it has alloy braking material, in fact the entire wheel is alloy with carbon bits stuck on to the none-braking area - this is in simple terms of course... just so I fully appreciate the scenario.

So these are pretty much the same as the Campag Bullet and Mavic Cosmic but with stickers which cost £400 less yeh? Seems to be the general consensus from reading around related posts on here?

Do FULL carbon clinchers exist or are they all Tubular then?

trek_dan

Full carbon clinchers aren't very popular as allegedly the carbon can get hot and pop the inner tube. Full carbon wheels are total overkill anyway if your not racing, and not ideally suited to Britain as the braking is terrible in the wet. If it was my money and I definitely wanted aero rims I'd get the PX CT45 Cabron/alloy clinchers. Steal at £450 IMO.

Velonutter

Brilliant Deep 50mm Carbon Rims with Ally Braking surfaces, sub 1600gms then you can't go far wrong but buy a pair of Campag Bullet Ultra 50mm's bullet proof and just roll for ever, or you could buy the Fulcrum Red Wind equivalent!

dubbs2009

OK thanks guys. So are Campag Bullet's not just alloy wheels with carbon bits stuck on? e.g. like Mavic Cosmics etc? Sorry - I find this all very confusing with so many wheels on the market all claiming to be different...

Velonutter

dubbs2009 wrote:

OK thanks guys. So are Campag Bullet's not just alloy wheels with carbon bits stuck on? e.g. like Mavic Cosmics etc? Sorry - I find this all very confusing with so many wheels on the market all claiming to be different...

Nope the Carbon is bonded to special rims, have a look here: -

http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/wheels ... atid_9.jsp

I have a couple of pairs and they are really bullet proof and comfortable. But get the Ultras not the standard ones.

buckles

What gun/bullet(s) did you shoot them with to find out they're bullet proof?

sloppyschleckonds

Buckles wrote:

What gun/bullet(s) did you shoot them with to find out they're bullet proof?

Tbf fair, it sounds a downgrade from being 'bombproof'

Velonutter

Buckles wrote:

What gun/bullet(s) did you shoot them with to find out they're bullet proof?

Feck, Feck, Feck, just read that and it does sound dopey :roll: :shock:

buckles

I suppose that was a bit harsh, it's not like metaphors aren't allowed... although to be fair the amount of gun crime in certain parts of the country you could well have meant it literally

ugo.santalucia

Depends on the gun and the bullet... if you just shoot at them with a compressed air gun and pellets, all rims will be bulletproof, as shown by Wheelsmith in another thread... if on the other hand you use a 9 mm full metal jacket, then there is little chance for the poor rim

cycleclinic

Or the rider.

dubbs2009

Velonutter wrote:

dubbs2009 wrote:

OK thanks guys. So are Campag Bullet's not just alloy wheels with carbon bits stuck on? e.g. like Mavic Cosmics etc? Sorry - I find this all very confusing with so many wheels on the market all claiming to be different...

Nope the Carbon is bonded to special rims, have a look here: -

http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/wheels ... atid_9.jsp

I have a couple of pairs and they are really bullet proof and comfortable. But get the Ultras not the standard ones.

OK thanks - Campag are my fav wheels - I just rather dislike the decals on the Bullets - maybe I can grow to like them... or replace them - are they stuck on or integrated into the carbon?

What's the difference between bullets and bullet ultras? The hubs? I have some Scirocco 35mms are the moment - they run very nicely - hope the bullets will be just as good if not better - appreciate your insight here as a rider of these wheels. Cheers,

Velonutter

Have a look on the Campag link I posted, the standard bullets are IIRC 1750g, the Ultra are 1590g and the Ultra come with USB bearings. They have the dark label and the standard label, I've go both depending on the bike they go on.

The bullets are brilliant and (nearly said it again :-) ) roll as nice as any Campag wheel, you really won't be disappointed. Stickers BTW just peel off.

dubbs2009

Velonutter wrote:

Have a look on the Campag link I posted, the standard bullets are IIRC 1750g, the Ultra are 1590g and the Ultra come with USB bearings. They have the dark label and the standard label, I've go both depending on the bike they go on.

The bullets are brilliant and (nearly said it again :-) ) roll as nice as any Campag wheel, you really won't be disappointed. Stickers BTW just peel off.

Thanks. Yeh noticed the weight differences, are the USB hubs a game changer? hard to tell without comparing them like for like in the flesh! Do you have the CULT ones? Looks like there are Bullet, Bullet Ultra, USB and Cult versions... lots of options - just wondering if the extra bits / features are worth the extra £s? Cheers for your insight here - very much appreciated

Velonutter

The basic bearing ones are heavy, I personally didn't want that so went the ultra route with USB, didn't want to splash out on the Cult as I have better wheels anyway and these were training wheels.

dubbs2009

Velonutter wrote:

The basic bearing ones are heavy, I personally didn't want that so went the ultra route with USB, didn't want to splash out on the Cult as I have better wheels anyway and these were training wheels.

OK thanks for your thoughts.

damocles10

I ordered the ordinary Bullet 80's a few days back and received them today....I was unable to ride due to the shop sending over the wrong freehub version.

The wheel feels very smooth when I rolled them. Weight is not an issue for me now and I was surprised they were not noticeably heavier than my wearing out Zipp 404's ( clinchers, which are a little weighty anyway )....I need to have them replaced due to their error....When they are replaced I am really keen to test them when it's dry and that darn wind dies down. 404's are usually ok when it's windy but they can be tricky in gusty wind conditions so it may be a challenge on 80mm wheels. I can also confirm they are carbon and alloy, not fairings.

Chris

Edit: not particularly keen on the decals and the wheels are shiny - I might see if the decals grow on me, another option would be to see if I can take them off....and cheekily put on Zipp stickers,

dubbs2009

damocles10 wrote:

Edit: not particularly keen on the decals and the wheels are shiny - I might see if the decals grow on me, another option would be to see if I can take them off....and cheekily put on Zipp stickers,

Let me know how you get on with them Chris - I also hate the decals on these wheels - really not very Campag in styling - Wish they had decals more like the BORAs or even SCIROCCOs - no idea why they have these horrid faux glossy stickers on them... Let me know if you can peel em off and replace em!

stepdavi

Ive had planet x 52mm clinchers for lasy year, 3k miles on them, no problems at all.

damocles10

dubbs2009 wrote:

damocles10 wrote:

Edit: not particularly keen on the decals and the wheels are shiny - I might see if the decals grow on me, another option would be to see if I can take them off....and cheekily put on Zipp stickers,

Let me know how you get on with them Chris - I also hate the decals on these wheels - really not very Campag in styling - Wish they had decals more like the BORAs or even SCIROCCOs - no idea why they have these horrid faux glossy stickers on them... Let me know if you can peel em off and replace em!

Will do, still have not been out on them as it's too windy and or wet. I haven't picked at the decals to see if they come off, but, they look like they might.

Moonbiker

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12956371&p=18711753#p18711753

Bar Shaker

I'm also interested in if the stickers come off. If they do, I am in.

They are pretty much what I am looking for and at that price they are a steal... possible even armed robbery (with apologies to Ugo).

ugo.santalucia

Moonbiker wrote:

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12956371&p=18711753#p18711753

My experience with similar rims (SL 42, possibly the same rims) is that they look OK when they are new... then the brake track wears off in patches... then the anodised black of the actual rim discolours and it becomes quite patchy... if you buy them for the aero effect and don't mind the weight, fine, but if it's for the look, I think you will be disappointed.

philbar72

trek_dan wrote:

I rather like the awful graphics :oops:

Dear god that looks awful. but would go with my alloy bike. odd....

damocles10

damocles10 wrote:

dubbs2009 wrote:

damocles10 wrote:

Edit: not particularly keen on the decals and the wheels are shiny - I might see if the decals grow on me, another option would be to see if I can take them off....and cheekily put on Zipp stickers,

Let me know how you get on with them Chris - I also hate the decals on these wheels - really not very Campag in styling - Wish they had decals more like the BORAs or even SCIROCCOs - no idea why they have these horrid faux glossy stickers on them... Let me know if you can peel em off and replace em!

Will do, still have not been out on them as it's too windy and or wet. I haven't picked at the decals to see if they come off, but, they look like they might.

I took them out today, had no choice as my other rear wheel has a problem. Not ideal conditions as it was wet and windy,I thought if I am going to test them it might as well be in challenging conditions (met data 14kt winds - 16mph).

There are some initial issues. I have a Garmin 800 gps computer and the 80mm rear rim puts the cadence sensor out of reach so that function is missing until I find a creative way of placing the magnet ( gluing it to my shoe with oversocks ), also the valve extenders rattle, an easy fix with tape.

Performance wise I really like them, they felt very stiff especially out of the saddle. I can't say if they're faster than my Zipp404's as this will have to wait for calmer condition, the wind was an issue, I am used to cross winds but today the wind did grab the front end noticeably and I had to drop off the speed for them to feel safe from 23-26mph to 15mph. Euston Road was bad as there is a point where it meets Tottenham Court Road and the crossroad and downdraft from buildings can cause tricky conditions when it's windy with deep sections.

They take a little bit more effort to steer around corners and I had to go wide on 90 degree turns...again being cautious due to conditions. In a straight line they felt really good.

Would I ride with them in a group in today's conditions, no! being pushed around too mush would make that unsafe. In calm conditions, (what group I would drop them ) sorry, yes but I would have to test the water and see.

I didn't notice any difference with weight, time will tell when it's hill time.

I think that's all.

Chris

ai_1

damocles10 wrote:

...I have a Garmin 800 gps computer and the 80mm rear rim puts the cadence sensor out of reach so that function is missing until I find a creative way of placing the magnet ( gluing it to my shoe with oversocks).....

Have you moved the sensor back to line up with the spoke magnet putting it out of line with the cadence sensor? Could you not leave it in it's original position to suit the cadence sensor and simply replace the original spoke mounted magnet for speed with a small/flat magnet (neodymium or similar) attached to the rims in the appropriate position? This would be the cleanest solution - better than the original IMO.

damocles10

Yes, that is what I did.....I have taken the wheels of now so I have moved it the sensor back to it's original position. Looking at the state of the rims after a wet ride I think they should be dry weather only....I fixed my other rear wheel so that's back on.

My original solution was a bit silly.

damocles10

Also, I forgot to say, I couldn't help a side-ward glance - they do look pretty darn cool when they are spinning and cars were seriously backing off - perhaps expensive looking kit (they were much cheaper than my Zipp404 though) makes them think twice..... 80mm look good on the old Ridley Damocles.

ugo.santalucia

damocles10 wrote:

they do look pretty darn cool when they are spinning and cars were seriously backing off

I think you got an overdose of placebo... I seriously doubt cabbies in London give a fxck about which wheels you're on....