Chris Froome cured

frenchfighter
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edited December 2013 in Pro race
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycl ... 01772.html
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Froome fans everywhere....rejoice! :)

    Froome sceptics...just more to chew on as they continue working their way through Bilharzia for Dummies
  • josame
    josame Posts: 1,162
    edited December 2013
    ah.. not from 'lookatwheelitus' then
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  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    By hypnosis apparently ...

    ''Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... '
  • Essex Rouleur
    Essex Rouleur Posts: 98
    Thats great news if true.

    But according to Walsh's book 'Inside Team Sky', he states the eggs of this parasite can lay dormant in the lung, liver or even the brain long after the bug has been killed off, then they release another wave of parasites that have to be dealt with. So i hope he's cured or free of those as well.

    Mind you, having said that, Walsh also stated Kittel rode for Lotto-Belosol at this years TDF, so maybe it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, or antibiotics :-)
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Essex Rouleur wrote:
    Thats great news if true.

    But according to Walsh's book 'Inside Team Sky', he states the eggs of this parasite can lay dormant in the lung, liver or even the brain long after the bug has been killed off, then they release another wave of parasites that have to be dealt with. So i hope he's cured or free of those as well.

    Mind you, having said that, Walsh also stated Kittel rode for Lotto-Belosol at this years TDF, so maybe it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, or antibiotics :-)


    Kittel's big, he's a sprinter, and he's German. What's your problem? :wink:
  • Essex Rouleur
    Essex Rouleur Posts: 98
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Essex Rouleur wrote:
    Thats great news if true.

    But according to Walsh's book 'Inside Team Sky', he states the eggs of this parasite can lay dormant in the lung, liver or even the brain long after the bug has been killed off, then they release another wave of parasites that have to be dealt with. So i hope he's cured or free of those as well.

    Mind you, having said that, Walsh also stated Kittel rode for Lotto-Belosol at this years TDF, so maybe it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, or antibiotics :-)


    Kittel's big, he's a sprinter, and he's German. What's your problem? :wink:

    So is Andre Griepel but he doesn't ride for Lotto-Belosol either.....oh..wait... :wink:
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Crankbrother wrote:
    By hypnosis apparently ...

    ''Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... Wiggins front wheel is your rear wheel ... '

    :lol:
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  • feltkuota
    feltkuota Posts: 333
    Essex Rouleur wrote:
    Thats great news if true.

    But according to Walsh's book 'Inside Team Sky', he states the eggs of this parasite can lay dormant in the lung, liver or even the brain long after the bug has been killed off, then they release another wave of parasites that have to be dealt with. So i hope he's cured or free of those as well.

    Mind you, having said that, Walsh also stated Kittel rode for Lotto-Belosol at this years TDF, so maybe it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, or antibiotics :-)

    Oh oh, we've got, Froome, Walsh's book, Sky and an inconsistency in Walsh's book mentioned. Predict a locked thread is coming soon :wink:
  • Essex Rouleur
    Essex Rouleur Posts: 98
    feltkuota wrote:
    Essex Rouleur wrote:
    Thats great news if true.

    But according to Walsh's book 'Inside Team Sky', he states the eggs of this parasite can lay dormant in the lung, liver or even the brain long after the bug has been killed off, then they release another wave of parasites that have to be dealt with. So i hope he's cured or free of those as well.

    Mind you, having said that, Walsh also stated Kittel rode for Lotto-Belosol at this years TDF, so maybe it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, or antibiotics :-)

    Oh oh, we've got, Froome, Walsh's book, Sky and an inconsistency in Walsh's book mentioned. Predict a locked thread is coming soon :wink:


    I was just saying..don't shoot the messenger! :)
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited December 2013
    Most patients have little understanding of their own disease. If this was made up as some seem to think, then there wouldn't be inconsistencies.
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  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    I am very pleased for him. That kind of stuff is not nice.
  • Stillnox
    Stillnox Posts: 38
    Huh, so now he was diagnosed in 2009? Yet he stated before he was checked by the UCI in november/december 2010?

    But good for the guy he is finally cured.
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    Good news!

    If only there was a health test performed by the UCI at races on RBC volume it may have picked this up.

    Or some form of longitude testing program measuring haemoglobin Froome may have discovered or known when he had this horrible affliction much earlier or when it reoccurred.

    Oh wait... there is.

    Due to these fluctuations of packed cell volumes and haemoglobin surely he would have been flagged for a passport fluctuation?

    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:

    I'll check Walsh's book if this is the case.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Oh noes.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Oh noes.


    Look, Bilharzia for Dummies Vol II not published yet. What else can you expect?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Oh noes.
    Just when you think the parasites have gone they reappear having been dormant for a while. It's quite possible that they will never be fully cured.
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:
    Haematocrit itself is not affected by the disease in the studies I have looked at. Maybe you could provide a source please?
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    The interesting thing about blood tests is they tell you everything that is not right in your blood.

    Oh, hang on, no they don't, they just look for the things they are looking for at the time. My mistake, I mistook it for one of those things they wave about in Star Trek that immediately tells them everything about a person's body.
  • feltkuota
    feltkuota Posts: 333
    [quote="
    I was just saying..don't shoot the messenger! :)[/quote]


    It's started!
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    feltkuota wrote:
    [quote="
    I was just saying..don't shoot the messenger! :)


    It's started![/quote]


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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    nic_77 wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:
    Haematocrit itself is not affected by the disease in the studies I have looked at. Maybe you could provide a source please?

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  • feltkuota
    feltkuota Posts: 333
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    feltkuota wrote:
    [quote="
    I was just saying..don't shoot the messenger! :)


    It's started!


    You have 24 hours to leave the country. Do not attempt to re-enter the country for a period of 12 months minimum

    :wink:[/quote]

    Sound advice.. To be fair though I'd rather stick around to see how this pans out.... :wink:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    feltkuota wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    feltkuota wrote:
    [quote="
    I was just saying..don't shoot the messenger! :)


    It's started!


    You have 24 hours to leave the country. Do not attempt to re-enter the country for a period of 12 months minimum

    :wink:

    Sound advice.. To be fair though I'd rather stick around to see how this pans out.... :wink:[/quote]


    On second thoughts, we dont want you bringing any nasty exotic diseases back here

    DOH!
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Fyi, whiteboytrash and stillnot's names appeared as 'users browsing this forum' at the same time after not hearing a peep for a couple of days.
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  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    WBT has great debating skills IMO. The anger always comes from elsewhere.
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    nic_77 wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:
    Haematocrit itself is not affected by the disease in the studies I have looked at. Maybe you could provide a source please?

    It's an interesting hypothesis.

    Both Froome and Walsh have said it "munches" on red blood cells and is "the reverse of EPO". Whilst you'd think that for immune issue would be WBC.

    Nevertheless I'd be interested in seeing your studies and the non-effect to Haematocrit. Could you like them?
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    edited December 2013
    mfin wrote:
    The interesting thing about blood tests is they tell you everything that is not right in your blood.

    Oh, hang on, no they don't, they just look for the things they are looking for at the time. My mistake, I mistook it for one of those things they wave about in Star Trek that immediately tells them everything about a person's body.

    True. For the most part.

    But a blood testing program that looks for certain conditions, fluctuations under set parameters would indicate an "inconsistent" profile.

    Therefore it would be assumed that Froome has been flagged by the passport program to explain his fluctuations, yes?

    The program may not "diagnose" but it will "highlight" an issue for deeper inspection.

    If schistosomiasis is the cause for his lower than expected performances then that would be indicated in his profile.

    That's fairly straight forward. This is not a neurological issue but one of the blood.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    nic_77 wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:
    Haematocrit itself is not affected by the disease in the studies I have looked at. Maybe you could provide a source please?

    It's an interesting hypothesis.

    Both Froome and Walsh have said it "munches" on red blood cells and is "the reverse of EPO". Whilst you'd think that for immune issue would be WBC.

    Nevertheless I'd be interested in seeing your studies and the non-effect to Haematocrit. Could you like them?

    Ok, well you've based that on what Froome and Walsh say (will take it you're quoting there). 'Munches on' doesn't necessary mean a significant level of red blood cells being destroyed though. Let's wait for some medical evidence here, it doesn't matter who posts it.
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    mfin wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    nic_77 wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    He'd have the hematocrit of a old lady! :roll:
    Haematocrit itself is not affected by the disease in the studies I have looked at. Maybe you could provide a source please?

    It's an interesting hypothesis.

    Both Froome and Walsh have said it "munches" on red blood cells and is "the reverse of EPO". Whilst you'd think that for immune issue would be WBC.

    Nevertheless I'd be interested in seeing your studies and the non-effect to Haematocrit. Could you like them?

    Ok, well you've based that on what Froome and Walsh say (will take it you're quoting there). 'Munches on' doesn't necessary mean a significant level of red blood cells being destroyed though. Let's wait for some medical evidence here, it doesn't matter who posts it.

    I see.

    So why the effect in Froome's performance? And once treated he realised his full potential at the Vuelta '11? No effect to RBC and haemoglobin?

    I'm not really following.

    Could you link those studies when you get a moment?
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    I don't have the studies, but someone will come up with the medical information on here I expect, that will save joining the dots with conjecture in the meantime yeah.
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