Humans Invent Podcast
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Ok then I will listen to it now. That will probably make my first ever podcast ever.
As an aside - that website looks pretty interesting, thanks.Contador is the Greatest0 -
You should enjoy it FF. It's all quite civilised.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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First time I've heard Rod got out the car on the l'Alpe to question the guy yelling 'dopers' like a nutter and that the guy was Danish, didn't think Sky are dopers and was just joining in with the mob. Both seem odd for different reasons.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:Ok then I will listen to it now. That will probably make my first ever podcast ever.
As an aside - that website looks pretty interesting, thanks.
I can't normally deal with podcasts, prefer to get my information in skimmable print format. But Humans Invent is good.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
iainf72 wrote:Lionels voice doesn't match his online persona.
If he is the speaking at 13.30 then he has an odd voice.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Apparently lots of Team Sky staff got together for a meeting and decided the best way forward was to be honest about their past on the basis they couldnt all (or most) be fired. Bobby went in and had his contract terminated so most of the rest remained closed lipped.
-Walsh; unsubstantiated storyContador is the Greatest0 -
Sunday Times gave a lot of print to the JTL story largely because the wanted to show they were independent of the parent company so not protecting the owners. Had it been a non-Sky rider it would have hardly been given any space.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:iainf72 wrote:Lionels voice doesn't match his online persona.
If he is the speaking at 13.30 then he has an odd voice.
He's the one with a slight lisp, sounds a bit like a teddy bear.
Humans Invent is incredible, one of the best out there, I was pleased when they carried on after the Tour0 -
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I'll echo that. Met him a few times now - good guy to have a chat with0
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Real quality stuff - thanks. The discussion offers more insight than a written piece could.0
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mm1 wrote:Real quality stuff - thanks. The discussion offers more insight than a written piece could.
I'll have listen shortly.
I also heard the Newstalk one with David Walsh.
There was an interesting except whereby Walsh talked that the Sky team saw Ryder Hesjedal on the rest day drinking a beer.
Walsh said the Sky team were offended that they saw this occurring. They were staying in the same hotel in Orange. He suggest this is the difference between Sky and other teams.
Now. In the book Walsh talks about the nightly ritual at the team dinner table of celebrating with champagne!
What is the difference?
There's a clear contradiction going on per his criteria of what is good and bad or what is a serious team and non-serious.
Makes Walsh appear a little like a joke.
So in regards to this podcast I'll be listening with intent.0 -
Have you actually seen how much champagne they actually have? It's about a third of a glass, if that.whiteboytrash wrote:[Now. In the book Walsh talks about the nightly ritual at the team dinner table of celebrating with champagne!
What is the difference?
(And they don't do it nightly - just when they win a stage)Twitter: @RichN950 -
whiteboytrash wrote:There was an interesting except whereby Walsh talked that the Sky team saw Ryder Hesjedal on the rest day drinking a beer.
Walsh said the Sky team were offended that they saw this occurring. They were staying in the same hotel in Orange. He suggest this is the difference between Sky and other teams.
Now. In the book Walsh talks about the nightly ritual at the team dinner table of celebrating with champagne!What is the difference?
There's a clear contradiction going on per his criteria of what is good and bad or what is a serious team and non-serious.
Makes Walsh appear a little like a joke.
So in regards to this podcast I'll be listening with intent.
I've just realised something. You havent read Walsh's book at all, have you? What's actually going on is that over at the Asylum and on Twitter, people are misquoting lines from the book to fit into some agenda - and you're all proliferating the misquotes like Chinese Whispers because you're all too idle to actually read the book from cover to cover.
Walsh does not refer to a nightly ritual of drinking champagne at the table. He refers to 2 instances of champagne being handed around - 1) to celebrate Uran's stage win at the Giro, and 2) Froome's win on Ventoux. A half-glass of champagne or wine after dinner to toast a stage win is common practice across the entire peloton. Which you would know if you followed cycling rather than see it only through the lens of an internet forum that's obsessed with le dopage rather than the actual sport itself0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Have you actually seen how much champagne they actually have? It's about a third of a glass, if that.whiteboytrash wrote:[Now. In the book Walsh talks about the nightly ritual at the team dinner table of celebrating with champagne!
What is the difference?
(And they don't do it nightly - just when they win a stage)
No Walsh clearly states in his book;
"a glass of champagne",
"riders sit at one table, the staff are at two others, and bottles of champagne and glasses are laid out",
"Everyone sits down and smilingly drains their champagne".
There separate instances listed out in Walsh's book. No mention of a "third of glass" as you state.
Are you making things up again? I jest no need to respond to this statement.
Nevertheless. Why is Walsh making the comparison to Garmin? Is there some form of alcohol ban or Walsh prefers champagne over beer?
Doesn't make a lot of sense that he cites this as some of the reason why Sky are ahead of other teams performance wise.
You have to admit it makes Walsh look stupid and barely impartial of his assessment of Sky.0 -
You lack credibility, I'm afraid, WBT0
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Richmond Racer wrote:You lack credibility, I'm afraid, WBT
That is your opinion of me but how about addressing the issue? Or are you avoiding it? I think the latter.
Agree its an incidental issue but its odd that Walsh would draw such a comparison?
Why did he suggest that Sky had a problem with Ryder having a beer on a rest day but they drink champagne.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me that he basis part of his assessment of Sky being so strong because of these marginal gains.
My only guess is that Walsh is compromised. He's not seeing straight. He hears about Ryder and thinks "that's bad", then sees Team Sky wolfing down the champers and thinks "that's good".
Doesn't add and I like I see it speaks volumes to Walsh's credibility.
Perhaps in isolation it matters little but when there are so many of these issues littered throughout the book then it brings the entire book into question, yes?0 -
ddraver wrote:Echo the podcast praise here too - Them's Velocast Guys are going to have a problem with these. HI have pulled the rug out from beneath their "premium content" feet somewhat...
I subscribed to Velocast's Premium coverage in 2012 and 2013 and while was enjoyable, where HI top trump them (apart from the cost) is the revolving cast and the interaction they have as hacks with the main players of cycling. It's difficult for Scott & John to match what is effectively guys making a pod in their spare time while at the Tour.
I wouldn't be surprised though if Richard Moore took his podcast behind a pay wall in future. He's already gone from guesting on Anthony Tan's Tour show in 2012 to doing his own one in 2013.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:
No Walsh clearly states in his book;
"a glass of champagne",
"riders sit at one table, the staff are at two others, and bottles of champagne and glasses are laid out",
"Everyone sits down and smilingly drains their champagne".
There separate instances listed out in Walsh's book. No mention of a "third of glass" as you state.
Are you making things up again? I jest no need to respond to this statement.
I've seen photos. Here they are in 2012
Are you really so desparate that you are now try to pick holes in some literary licence.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Another thread heads for the sh1tter. Pity.whiteboytrash wrote:Walsh said the Sky team were offended that they saw this occurring. They were staying in the same hotel in Orange. He suggest this is the difference between Sky and other teams.
That's right. Walsh believes that the difference between Sky and other teams is the approach to rest-day refueling. WBT must think he's dealing with eight year-olds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZqkUqw-xg...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
A better business plan might be to ask for 'voluntary subscriptions' (aka donations). I think they would make more money that way than putting up a pay wall.argyllflyer wrote:I subscribed to Velocast's Premium coverage in 2012 and 2013 and while was enjoyable, where HI top trump them (apart from the cost) is the revolving cast and the interaction they have as hacks with the main players of cycling. It's difficult for Scott & John to match what is effectively guys making a pod in their spare time while at the Tour.
I wouldn't be surprised though if Richard Moore took his podcast behind a pay wall in future. He's already gone from guesting on Anthony Tan's Tour show in 2012 to doing his own one in 2013.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
A better business plan might be to ask for 'voluntary subscriptions' (aka donations). I think they would make more money that way than putting up a pay wall.argyllflyer wrote:I subscribed to Velocast's Premium coverage in 2012 and 2013 and while was enjoyable, where HI top trump them (apart from the cost) is the revolving cast and the interaction they have as hacks with the main players of cycling. It's difficult for Scott & John to match what is effectively guys making a pod in their spare time while at the Tour.
I wouldn't be surprised though if Richard Moore took his podcast behind a pay wall in future. He's already gone from guesting on Anthony Tan's Tour show in 2012 to doing his own one in 2013.
Who, RM&Co or Scott & John?0 -
RichN95 wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:
No Walsh clearly states in his book;
"a glass of champagne",
"riders sit at one table, the staff are at two others, and bottles of champagne and glasses are laid out",
"Everyone sits down and smilingly drains their champagne".
There separate instances listed out in Walsh's book. No mention of a "third of glass" as you state.
Are you making things up again? I jest no need to respond to this statement.
I've seen photos. Here they are in 2012
Are you really so desparate that you are now try to pick holes in some literary licence.
Not at all. Like I said its a small issue but odd that he brought it up for broadcast.
In isolation doesn't mean much but there are so many of these errors in his assessments and accounts of his time with Sky.
The fact that he basis his overall view of the team on incidents such as these is worrisome.
On a personal note I note that you are very defensive. I merely highlight such inconsistencies. There's no need to attack me.
Surely we can't overlook these issues, no?0 -
The Human Invents one. That's the one you mentioned in relation to a paywall.argyllflyer wrote:RichN95 wrote:
A better business plan might be to ask for 'voluntary subscriptions' (aka donations). I think they would make more money that way than putting up a pay wall.argyllflyer wrote:I subscribed to Velocast's Premium coverage in 2012 and 2013 and while was enjoyable, where HI top trump them (apart from the cost) is the revolving cast and the interaction they have as hacks with the main players of cycling. It's difficult for Scott & John to match what is effectively guys making a pod in their spare time while at the Tour.
I wouldn't be surprised though if Richard Moore took his podcast behind a pay wall in future. He's already gone from guesting on Anthony Tan's Tour show in 2012 to doing his own one in 2013.
Who, RM&Co or Scott & John?Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:The Human Invents one. That's the one you mentioned in relation to a paywall.
Though Velocast might benefit from such an approach too IMO.0 -
The Bugle Style? (F**k you Chris!)
Ahyhoo, I stumped up for the Velocast TdF coverage this year as I missed the Giro and Classics but I'm a big fan of theirs in general. I was pretty disappointed to be honest. The Tour is a special case as there are so many other options (HI, ITV4, Derek Mike plus the aussie one) that are just as good or better but I don't think I ll be getting any of it again this year.
The Cycling History and the Tech ones are very good too, but there's not been much of them recently...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I can, you can't. I see the book as just a book. You see it as heresy.whiteboytrash wrote:
Surely we can't overlook these issues, no?Twitter: @RichN950 -
That was exactly what I had in mind (as well as Radiohead letting fans set their own price for downloads)ddraver wrote:The Bugle Style? (F**k you Chris!)
Velocast went down hill when they started spending too much time on twitter. As well as when they started charging - for that I want something more than I can think out for myself.ddraver wrote:Ahyhoo, I stumped up for the Velocast TdF coverage this year as I missed the Giro and Classics but I'm a big fan of theirs in general. I was pretty disappointed to be honest. The Tour is a special case as there are so many other options (HI, ITV4, Derek Mike plus the aussie one) that are just as good or better but I don't think I ll be getting any of it again this yearTwitter: @RichN950
