Weight Training cycling specific

tim_wand

madasahattersley wrote:

tim wand wrote:

Off topic. but saw you were on line "MadasaHattersly" Did I read else where you met Bob Parlee today?

Yeah! Really cool, just walked into the shop with 2 other guys from Parlee! Very interesting guy, and now lusting after one for my retirement Also, the new ESX Aero frame looks SO much better in the flesh than in photos

Parlee couldn't make an ugly frame even if he went to work for Cervelo (S5). Z Zero is on my Lotto list for sure.

buckles

dennisn wrote:

nathancom wrote:

The thread is called 'Weight Training cycling specific' not 'Weight Training general health and well being'

Recently looked at a cycling web store and found more that a few books on weight training for cyclist's. Seems odd that anyone would be buying these things, apparently on a regular basis, if it was all a load of crap. Why would you believe anonymous people on a forum and then blow off, as wrong, coaches and authors of what appear to be well written and researched books on the subject?

All this sort of begs the question of why weight training seems to be the only form of exercise that helps in every other sport, but not cycling(according to you)? Opps, sorry, I forgot. Cycling is special. And I've asked that question before.

Of course - nobody would write a book to make money would they? All authors write books purely to give accurate information to readers.

tim_wand

madasahattersley wrote:

tim wand wrote:

Parlee couldn't make an ugly frame even if he went to work for Cervelo (S5). Z Zero is on my Lotto list for sure.

I've got an S5 :x

Really? I d have never have guessed Just see my comments on Pokerfaces (Colins) P5 . I m a big lover of all things Phil White , just wish I could afford the choice, I ve a mate who's got two R5's a R3 on his turbo and a T4 and I really hate him

dw300

dw300 wrote:

So can I ask you what word you use to describe - The maximum output of a muscle .. ?

How would you describe a powerlifters muscular power if not strength or strong? I'm sure everyone would love to know so that we can stop using incorrect terminology and confusing these weight training debates. You need to clear this up or drop it so we can continue some valuable discussion.

dw300

NapoleonD wrote:

The Bounce wrote:

Ah, the joy of being a track sprinter and doing whatever I like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4xiZF6zJ4&feature=em-subs_digest

Heh same here

And not a single deadlift was done on that day ..

Alex_Simmons/RST

dennisn wrote:

Recently looked at a cycling web store and found more that a few books on weight training for cyclist's. Seems odd that anyone would be buying these things, apparently on a regular basis, if it was all a load of crap.

You'd be surprised.

Recently I was looking at an online book store, and found over 5,600 titles on homeopathy.

Just because it's in a book, or that there is a lot of them, tell us nothing about the credibility or reliability of the information contained within. All it tells us is there are lots of books about a topic.

nathancom

I wonder how much time Mo Farah spends in the weight room. Very little I would guess...

top_bhoy

nathancom wrote:

I wonder how much time Mo Farah spends in the weight room. Very little I would guess...

Funny you should mention Mo Farah; he obviously hasn't read this forum because it would appear that he indulges in the 'black art' of lifting weights to improve running performance. On the other hand, the article could be all lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/19/camp-mo-farah-london-marathon

He was always lean but now he is sculpted. He has upped his mileage since joining Salazar – during an average week he will run 120 miles – but it is the weight room where there has been the most radical shifting of plates and mindset. His strength and conditioning coach David McHenry has introduced him to powerlifting: traditionally the preserve of strong men and bodybuilders wanting their muscles to pop out like melons. He can squat 200lb, 1.5 times his bodyweight, for 4-6 reps. He also flings and swings a kettlebell, a device that looks like a cannonball with a handle, to order. And there is a relish to his combinations on the boxing pads, part of a long core workout, even if he does leave his chin hanging in the breeze.

top_bhoy

madasahattersley wrote:

The thing about that, is that Mo Farah isn't a cyclist and is completely irrelevant.

Maybe wrt cycling (I never suggested it was) but in the context of nathancom's statement, its completely relevant.

ric/rstsport

there's some evidence to suggest that weight training helps running (but not through an increase in strength, but an increase in stiffness of the muscles). However, even with running it's not clear cut

the evidence for cycling is more equivocal. there is some research to suggest that weight/strength training helps endurance cycling, but
1) this is fairly clear cut in untrained/low fitness subjects. However, any training is very likely to improve these people
2) it is equivocal in well trained subjects. some evidence suggests no improvement or decreases in performance while some shows an improvement. in some of these latter studies the experiment protocol hasn't been good (e.g. the weight training group did more total exercise duration that the other group, so it's impossible to say whether it's the strength training or the additional training time that leads to an improvement
3) what is apparent, is that even when weights (etc) leads to an increase in performance, the increase is *smaller* than if the subjects had done more specific cycling intervals for the same time duration (e.g. if you did weight training twice a week for 30-mins a time you'd be better off doing 2 extra sets of intervals on the bike).

ric

nathancom

Top_Bhoy wrote:

nathancom wrote:

I wonder how much time Mo Farah spends in the weight room. Very little I would guess...

Funny you should mention Mo Farah; he obviously hasn't read this forum because it would appear that he indulges in the 'black art' of lifting weights to improve running performance. On the other hand, the article could be all lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/apr/19/camp-mo-farah-london-marathon

He was always lean but now he is sculpted. He has upped his mileage since joining Salazar – during an average week he will run 120 miles – but it is the weight room where there has been the most radical shifting of plates and mindset. His strength and conditioning coach David McHenry has introduced him to powerlifting: traditionally the preserve of strong men and bodybuilders wanting their muscles to pop out like melons. He can squat 200lb, 1.5 times his bodyweight, for 4-6 reps. He also flings and swings a kettlebell, a device that looks like a cannonball with a handle, to order. And there is a relish to his combinations on the boxing pads, part of a long core workout, even if he does leave his chin hanging in the breeze.

Fair enough, I couldn't be more wrong!

dw300

Ric/RSTSport wrote:

there's some evidence to suggest that weight training helps running (but not through an increase in strength, but an increase in stiffness of the muscles). However, even with running it's not clear cut

A nice pair of thick elastic energy-conserving Achilles tendons will do way for for your running that muscle strength, so I suspect that's what the weight training does.

This wouldn't have quite the same impact in cycling, but might still have some. Would it help when dancing up the climbs? Would it help on each revolution of the pedal at all?