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of all the areas of Britain,why Yorkshire?

crapaudthepitbullcrapaudthepitbull Posts: 47
edited December 2013 in Pro race
I know that its old news now but with all the amazing areas in the UK they could have opted for why on earth choose Yorkshire for the Tour start. Was it simply ba question of money, if so i can understand that but otherwise im baffled. The stage routes are average at best, nothing really testing or interesting. The weather over there is invariably censored , the towns positively dull and the people often not the most animated. Thats before we get onto the abysmal track record of police support, or lack of, in relation to road racing and the fiasco years ago over a TOB stage which had to be neutralised because of some sort of policing/marshalling/escorting issue.
I would have much prefered stages around the Lake District, Snowdonia or the Southwest. Areas that are far more impressive and particuarly the SW who have always showed a huge amount of support for British RR.
I am waiting with eager anticipation to be enlightened.
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  • morstarmorstar Posts: 4,663
    Preume you're trolling but anyway...

    Not every TdF stage is mountainous.

    Yorkshire folk went and wooed the Tour organisers. The TdF didn't turn up and say "where in Braitain shall we put the start of the Tour?"
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,494
    It wasn't a UK bid - it was a Yorkshire bid. If one of those other areas had put a bid together maybe they would have picked them instead (although as they are areas of very low population, they probably wouldn't have)
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,709
    I know that its old news now but with all the amazing areas in the UK they could have opted for why on earth choose Yorkshire for the Tour start. Was it simply ba question of money, if so i can understand that but otherwise im baffled. The stage routes are average at best, nothing really testing or interesting. The weather over there is invariably censored , the towns positively dull and the people often not the most animated. Thats before we get onto the abysmal track record of police support, or lack of, in relation to road racing and the fiasco years ago over a TOB stage which had to be neutralised because of some sort of policing/marshalling/escorting issue.
    I would have much prefered stages around the Lake District, Snowdonia or the Southwest. Areas that are far more impressive and particuarly the SW who have always showed a huge amount of support for British RR.
    I am waiting with eager anticipation to be enlightened.

    The South West had a tour stage. It was, by all accounts, censored .
  • andyp wrote:
    I know that its old news now but with all the amazing areas in the UK they could have opted for why on earth choose Yorkshire for the Tour start. Was it simply ba question of money, if so i can understand that but otherwise im baffled. The stage routes are average at best, nothing really testing or interesting. The weather over there is invariably censored , the towns positively dull and the people often not the most animated. Thats before we get onto the abysmal track record of police support, or lack of, in relation to road racing and the fiasco years ago over a TOB stage which had to be neutralised because of some sort of policing/marshalling/escorting issue.
    I would have much prefered stages around the Lake District, Snowdonia or the Southwest. Areas that are far more impressive and particuarly the SW who have always showed a huge amount of support for British RR.
    I am waiting with eager anticipation to be enlightened.

    The South West had a tour stage. It was, by all accounts, shoot.


    It was not shoot. I was up on Haytor and it was bloody great. Hurrumph.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 4,356
    Is Andyp not refering to the infamous Plymouth TdF stage in the 70s run on a bit of dual carriageway, with vistually no fans in attendance?

    Things have changed just a tad since then!
  • Dorset Boy wrote:
    Is Andyp not refering to the infamous Plymouth TdF stage in the 70s run on a bit of dual carriageway, with vistually no fans in attendance?

    Things have changed just a tad since then!


    Oh, apologies to Andy, I just assumed he meant the recent ToB stage.

    Well, as Dorset Boy says, things have moved on a bit...
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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,709
    I was referring to Stage 2 of the 1974 race, where the crowds were estimated to be in their dozens.

    Maybe we should get Rick or one of the other moderators to merge this thread, and all those where people moan about the ToB not going past their front door, into one?
  • FJSFJS Posts: 4,820
    edited October 2013
    I know that its old news now but with all the amazing areas in the UK they could have opted for why on earth choose Yorkshire for the Tour start. Was it simply ba question of money, if so i can understand that but otherwise im baffled. The stage routes are average at best, nothing really testing or interesting. The weather over there is invariably censored , the towns positively dull and the people often not the most animated. Thats before we get onto the abysmal track record of police support, or lack of, in relation to road racing and the fiasco years ago over a TOB stage which had to be neutralised because of some sort of policing/marshalling/escorting issue.
    I would have much prefered stages around the Lake District, Snowdonia or the Southwest. Areas that are far more impressive and particuarly the SW who have always showed a huge amount of support for British RR.
    I am waiting with eager anticipation to be enlightened.

    - The only reason really is that the Yorkshire tourism board had the idea to submit a bid and put effort and money into it; the other regions of the UK didnt. If you want the TdF to go to the particular area of the UK you like, start a campaign. Nothing stopping you.
    - Your whole post is bizarre, but your statement that the stage routes are average is particularly baffling. Although these things are subjective, it goes through what many people would regard the most beautiful countryside of the UK. It is the most challenging grand depart since the 1970s; particularly stage 2 is incredibly hard and very closely resembles the route of Liege-Bastogne-Liege, but also the 1st stage is much more challenging than most people think. This is the hardest the TdF organisers would ever make a grand depart, and knowing the roads in the South-West and Snowdonia, it would very likely be much less challenging and interesting (although more coastal wind, I give you that).
    - About the weather, annual rainfall in all three areas you mention is loads worse than Yorkshire. In fact, being on the East side of the Pennines, Yorkshire is one of the areas of the UK receiving the least rainfall. Snowdonia, the SW and Lake District are some of the wettest parts of the UK (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weat ... limateMaps)

    Anyway, I personally would welcome a South West or Welsh bid to host the Grand Depart - tell their authorities it seems worth it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24713858
  • t4tomot4tomo Posts: 2,643
    Hang on so the weather is one of your complaints about Yorkshire, which is on the eastern side of the pennines and hence drier than most other areas (prevailing westerly and all that) and then give
    Lake District, Snowdonia or the Southwest
    as your alternatives, all notorious for wet weather.

    anyway, in other news...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24713858

    The depart in yorkshire will be a rip roaring success, whether you like it or not.
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  • frenchfighterfrenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    It was the birthplace of modern art. What other reason would one need.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,494
    It was the birthplace of modern art. What other reason would one need.
    I think you're getting modern art confused with sausage rolls there, Frenchie.

    Modern art? Really?
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  • frenchfighterfrenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    The Yorkshire man at the Tour Presentation said it. Not sure how trustworthy northeners are though...I dont know very many. On balance I would say they are less prone to exaggeration than those in South. By south, that constitutes anyone in London or lower.
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  • RideOnTimeRideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    We talking about the TdF here or the ToB? :? :?
  • David Hockney innit?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Henry Moore too.

    Should have gone through the Yorkshire Sculpture Park.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Of course the real reason they're starting the whole thing in Leeds is because I used to live there.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,494
    The Yorkshire man at the Tour Presentation said it. Not sure how trustworthy northeners are though...I dont know very many. On balance I would say they are less prone to exaggeration than those in South. By south, that constitutes anyone in London or lower.
    Anything above the M4 is the north as far as I'm concerned.
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  • ad_snowad_snow Posts: 469
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Yorkshire man at the Tour Presentation said it. Not sure how trustworthy northeners are though...I dont know very many. On balance I would say they are less prone to exaggeration than those in South. By south, that constitutes anyone in London or lower.
    Anything above the M4 is the north as far as I'm concerned.

    My whole family are from the Isle of Wight - anything above the solent is North :lol:
  • IIRC it was between Edinburgh and Leeds to be the start city of the tour. The favourite was Edinburgh but it went to Leeds in the end. Edinburgh is still bidding to host the start in 2017.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 8,973
    The Yorkshire man at the Tour Presentation said it. Not sure how trustworthy northeners are though...I dont know very many. On balance I would say they are less prone to exaggeration than those in South. By south, that constitutes anyone in London or lower.

    Northerners are very trustworthy indeed! :)
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  • I'm confused by this thread as Yorkshire is in the South.
  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 7,674
    I'm confused by this thread as Yorkshire is in the South.
    As is county Durham.
    And there are a few folk who might burn down the house of anyone who suggested that Snowdonia is one of the wettest places in England...
  • deejaydeejay Posts: 3,138
    Thats before we get onto the abysmal track record of police support, or lack of, in relation to road racing and the fiasco years ago over a TOB stage which had to be neutralised because of some sort of policing/marshalling/escorting issue.
    You are not very well versed in the Tour de France organisation, are you.
    You will find that that organisation will have covered every centimeter of the courses and made their demands where necessary for road alterations etc. (I know about the Netherlands, but their obstructions are far too many to rectify)

    The race will start and the road will become French Law from kerb to kerb with the French Police able to request the UK police escorts to make an arrest if necessary.

    Amazing that a little Island like GB has so much friction about North/South in these modern times. Ridiculous
    Me who was born in Central London and at 2 years of age the family moved to "Yorkshire" where I was brought up as a Tyke.
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  • Mad_MalxMad_Malx Posts: 4,369
    deejay wrote:
    Amazing that a little Island like GB has so much friction about North/South in these modern times. Ridiculous

    So my assumption that your 'location' description was some sort of English nationalist statement was wrong?
    [or is it directed at Chelsea?]
  • ProssPross Posts: 29,608
    Much as I love the South West I really don't think there is anything down there more challenging than the route of Stage 2, in general the terrain has more short, steep hills. Snowdonia, for all its beautiful mountains doesn't have that much in the way of good quality, accessible road climbs and the Lake District climbs are potentially a bit severe for the first couple of stages of the Tour. For me Yorkshire offers probably the best terrain along with the other Peak District areas plus south and mid Wales (and Scotland but that starts to become a logistical issue), it's a great place for the Tour to start and at least they are venturing out of the south east on this visit.

    As for the weather comment, ludicrous as pointed out by others.
  • deejaydeejay Posts: 3,138
    Mad_Malx wrote:

    So my assumption that your 'location' description was some sort of English nationalist statement was wrong?
    [or is it directed at Chelsea?]
    Anybody understand this Gibberish. :?:
    Must be Mad.
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  • mike6mike6 Posts: 1,199
    I think the test of Trollness is proven by the fact the OP has not been back to argue there case.

    As all in the know are aware, the North starts at Durham, and Northerners are both friendly and unwaveringly trustworthy. Its Southerners you need to keep an eye on.

    TDF start in Leeds? Brilliant, well done them for pushing the boat out and going for it. Respect.
  • Mad_MalxMad_Malx Posts: 4,369
    deejay wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:

    So my assumption that your 'location' description was some sort of English nationalist statement was wrong?
    [or is it directed at Chelsea?]
    Anybody understand this Gibberish. :?:
    Must be Mad.

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