Vuelta Stage 20 *Spoiler*

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  • clanton
    clanton Posts: 1,289
    Right now I feel that is the final nail in the coffin for me. Not sure I can ever watch professional cycling again. What a frikkin joke.
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Looking forward to an evening of curmudgeonly comment ... Yay!
  • Crampeur
    Crampeur Posts: 1,065
    poppit wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    Nice work by Elissonde, but that result is ultimately pretty depressing.
    Why depressing?
    Just not a massive fan of Horner really! Maybe he's doped, maybe he isn't but I find it very difficult to like him.
  • cesco
    cesco Posts: 252
    What a great fight that was! Too bad for Nibali that his planned tactics didn't work out, but that was exciting.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Unfortunately Horner has a better acceleration then Nibali so he will be able to get a few seconds at the end.

    Haha, this just points out how ridiculous it all is. Horner and 'acceleration' in the same sentence.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Great stage.
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Did Nibali go way too early there?

    He only needed 3 seconds...

    His team-mates messed up and left him too long to bridge across. They should have literally stopped and waited for him.
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  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    WHAT A COMPLETE FARCE. IM SORRY ... BUT HOW CAN HORNER GET AWAY WITH THIS?
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  • meagain
    meagain Posts: 2,331
    ...yes, well....er, "unbelievable" (source: S Kelly, many times). Idly wondering how well Horner matches the demographic that buys most Treks in its home market...no doubt a simple, fortuitous, marketing coincidence.
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  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    emadden wrote:
    WHAT A COMPLETE FARCE. IM SORRY ... BUT HOW CAN HORNER GET AWAY WITH THIS?
    When in Rome... er, I mean Spain.
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  • poppit
    poppit Posts: 926
    Crampeur wrote:
    poppit wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    Nice work by Elissonde, but that result is ultimately pretty depressing.
    Why depressing?
    Just not a massive fan of Horner really! Maybe he's doped, maybe he isn't but I find it very difficult to like him.
    I don't know enough about him to be honest, never met him and not seen him interviewed much so pretty difficult to form an accurate perception of him as a person. I presume he's tested as much as anyone so unless there's any proof you have to accept his performance at face value. Older guys can produce great performances.
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  • Crampeur
    Crampeur Posts: 1,065
    Apparently the 3rd fastest climb of the Angliru at 43:17? https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily no idea how true that is?
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    The thing is.. Had it only been his age.. It just isn't.

    So disappointing for our sport, this. That's all.
  • Crampeur
    Crampeur Posts: 1,065
    poppit wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    poppit wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    Nice work by Elissonde, but that result is ultimately pretty depressing.
    Why depressing?
    Just not a massive fan of Horner really! Maybe he's doped, maybe he isn't but I find it very difficult to like him.
    I don't know enough about him to be honest, never met him and not seen him interviewed much so pretty difficult to form an accurate perception of him as a person. I presume he's tested as much as anyone so unless there's any proof you have to accept his performance at face value. Older guys can produce great performances.
    Yes fair enough, perhaps depressing was the wrong word.
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Maybe Fulglsang and Tiralongo could have timed things differently, but would it have made much difference? Guess we'll never know.

    Great result for Elissonde. Another young French rider, so pleased for him.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
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  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Best man won ... Regardless of the petty spite shown by the Bikeradar faithful ...

    Fresh man beat a bunch of guys who had always been 2nd tier GT riders (until Nibs stepped up) in the past 5 years and had been racing all year ...

    Horner allowed to ride for himself in a GT and showed just what the last 2 TdF winners have shown ... ordinary riders win races when the competition fails to step up ...

    Good last 20 mins of TV ...
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Crankbrother wrote:
    Best man won ... Regardless of the petty spite shown by the Bikeradar faithful ...

    Fresh man beat a bunch of guys who had always been 2nd tier GT riders (until Nibs stepped up) in the past 5 years and had been racing all year ...

    Horner allowed to ride for himself in a GT and showed just what the last 2 TdF winners have shown ... ordinary riders win races when the competition fails to step up ...

    Good last 20 mins of TV ...


    Good post.
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  • poppit
    poppit Posts: 926
    I suppose as a comparison Contador won it last year only a month after returning from a long ban, perhaps that's what it takes to win, fresh legs.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    The joyful high of Ellisonde's win

    The depressing low of Horner

    Sums it up for me
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Crampeur wrote:
    Apparently the 3rd fastest climb of the Angliru at 43:17? https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily no idea how true that is?

    His time was closer to 43.06

    Here are the other record times:
    http://climbing-records.blogspot.co.uk/ ... cents.html

    Also means though that the other three riders had very high times especially compared to some of the names on that list. Moreno set a ferocious pace for a long time and there was a lot at stake making them ride very hard.
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  • poppit
    poppit Posts: 926
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    Apparently the 3rd fastest climb of the Angliru at 43:17? https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily no idea how true that is?

    His time was closer to 43.06

    Here are the other record times:
    http://climbing-records.blogspot.co.uk/ ... cents.html

    Also means though that the other three riders had very high times especially compared to some of the names on that list. Moreno set a ferocious pace for a long time and there was a lot at stake making them ride very hard.
    How relevent is it comparing the times in different years, aren't there too many variables?
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  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    @crankbrother... Fully agree mate. Quite amusing to think of the BR faithful spitting bile over their keyboards. No facts, no evidence, but hey let's all hate the guy anyway...
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Roche lost a decent amount of time there to Joaquim. Only one change in the GC top ten which is surprising with Konig dropping two places.

    Stage 20 Results
    FRA 1 ELISSONDE, Kenny (FDJ) 3:55:36
    USA 2 HORNER, Christopher (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 26
    ESP 3 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 54
    ITA 4 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA PRO TEAM)
    POR 5 CARDOSO, Andre (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA)
    GER 6 NERZ, Dominik (BMC RACING)
    POR 7 PIMENTA COSTA MENDES, José Joao (NETAPP - ENDURA) + 1:15
    ESP 8 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA) + 1:45
    BEL 9 PAUWELS, Serge (OMEGA PHARMA - QUICK-STEP) + 1:52
    FRA 10 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ) + 1:59
    ESP 11 ARROYO DURAN, David (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA)
    ITA 12 POZZOVIVO, Domenico (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 2:20
    ESP 13 MORENO FERNANDEZ, Daniel (KATUSHA) + 2:26
    ESP 14 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ, Samuel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI)
    DEN 15 FUGLSANG, Jakob (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 2:38
    EST 16 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 3:07
    ESP 17 INTXAUSTI ELORRIAGA, Benat (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 3:14
    POL 18 MAJKA, Rafal (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 3:42
    IRL 19 ROCHE, Nicolas (SAXO-TINKOFF)
    CZE 20 KONIG, Leopold (NETAPP - ENDURA) + 3:53
    ESP 21 HERRADA LOPEZ, José (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 4:15
    ESP 22 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 4:26
    ITA 23 TIRALONGO, Paolo (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 5:01
    CRO 24 KISERLOVSKI, Robert (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 5:15
    DEN 25 SÖRENSEN, Chris Anker (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 5:49
    FRA 26 BAGOT, Yohan (COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS) + 6:09
    ESP 27 OROZ UGALDE, Juan Jose (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 6:13
    ESP 28 FLECHA GIANNONI, Juan Antonio (VACANSOLEIL-DCM) + 6:45
    ESP 29 GARCIA, Marcos (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA)
    ESP 30 ANTON HERNANDEZ, Igor (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 7:25
    FRA 31 COPPEL, Jerome (COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS) + 8:17
    ESP 32 GARATE, Juan Manuel (BELKIN PRO CYCLING) + 8:30
    SLO 33 BRAJKOVIC, Janez (ASTANA PRO TEAM)
    ITA 34 NOCENTINI, Rinaldo (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 8:57
    POL 35 HUZARSKI, Bartosz (NETAPP - ENDURA) + 9:24
    ESP 36 TXURRUKA, Amets (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA)
    ESP 37 VALLS FERRI, Rafael (VACANSOLEIL-DCM)
    POL 38 PATERSKI, Maciej (CANNONDALE) + 9:35
    ITA 39 SCARPONI, Michele (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 10:11
    ESP 40 LANDA MEANA, Mikel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 10:30

    General Classification after Stage 20
    USA 1 HORNER, Christopher (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) 81:52:01
    ITA 2 NIBALI, Vincenzo (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 37
    ESP 3 VALVERDE BELMONTE, Alejandro (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 1:36
    ESP 4 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER, Joaquin (KATUSHA) + 3:22
    IRL 5 ROCHE, Nicolas (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 7:11
    ITA 6 POZZOVIVO, Domenico (AG2R LA MONDIALE) + 8:00
    FRA 7 PINOT, Thibaut (FDJ) + 8:41
    ESP 8 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ, Samuel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 9:51
    CZE 9 KONIG, Leopold (NETAPP - ENDURA) + 10:11
    ESP 10 MORENO FERNANDEZ, Daniel (KATUSHA) + 13:11
    EST 11 KANGERT, Tanel (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 14:05
    ESP 12 HERRADA LOPEZ, José (MOVISTAR TEAM) + 16:48
    ESP 13 ARROYO DURAN, David (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA) + 17:34
    GER 14 NERZ, Dominik (BMC RACING) + 19:26
    ITA 15 SCARPONI, Michele (LAMPRE-MERIDA) + 22:04
    POR 16 CARDOSO, Andre (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA) + 25:03
    CRO 17 KISERLOVSKI, Robert (RADIOSHACK LEOPARD) + 25:06
    DEN 18 SÖRENSEN, Chris Anker (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 27:02
    POL 19 MAJKA, Rafal (SAXO-TINKOFF) + 32:52
    ESP 20 ANTON HERNANDEZ, Igor (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 33:05
    FRA 21 BAGOT, Yohan (COFIDIS, SOLUTIONS CREDITS) + 34:35
    POR 22 PIMENTA COSTA MENDES, José Joao (NETAPP - ENDURA) + 39:08
    ESP 23 NIEVE ITURALDE, Mikel (EUSKALTEL EUSKADI) + 49:36
    ESP 24 TXURRUKA, Amets (CAJA RURAL - SEGUROS RGA) + 51:17
    SLO 25 BRAJKOVIC, Janez (ASTANA PRO TEAM) + 57:15
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  • kerry-man
    kerry-man Posts: 20
    please.....this win is even less believable than any of Lance's tour wins
  • Lightning
    Lightning Posts: 360
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    His team-mates messed up and left him too long to bridge across. They should have literally stopped and waited for him.
    I agree. It seemed odd that Tiralongo (who was ahead) actually reached Nibs first. Although to be fair I'm not sure how far Fuglsang was.

    Great spirit by Nibali. Clearly fought until the end and gave it all. I won't comment on Horner as I find it all pretty unbelievable myself, but congratulations to him.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    edited September 2013
    Is The Clinic okay? :D

    Edit: Just a had look; Brailsfod and Vaughters are already linked to the whole thing so everything is normal.
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Crampeur wrote:
    Apparently the 3rd fastest climb of the Angliru at 43:17? https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily no idea how true that is?

    His time was closer to 43.06

    Here are the other record times:
    http://climbing-records.blogspot.co.uk/ ... cents.html

    Also means though that the other three riders had very high times especially compared to some of the names on that list. Moreno set a ferocious pace for a long time and there was a lot at stake making them ride very hard.
    Nibali started the attacks very early; that'll have massively affected the average speeds
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    I've genuinely warmed to Nibs this year. Good racer.

    Horner's performance is not quite unbelievable - or at least not completely unpredictable.

    I picked him for PTP GC on the basis that he was the only rider without a GT in his legs this year (and indeed was eased back in after a long rest), on a horrible route, and he's always been a fine climber who has suffered little decline in the last 5 years, long after anyone else would have been in slippers. For genetic or more nefarious reasons, who knows?

    Frankly I find Roche's improvement more surprising, especially on this parcours, than Horner's.

    Still looks like a bag of spanners on a bike of course.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    calvjones wrote:
    I picked him for PTP.

    I'm emailing you a cup to pee in :wink:
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