Wiggo just a Tester.
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I did wonder if that would come up. I've contributed my opinion many times to the women's cycling threads so won't rehash here. Unfortunately, through no fault of her own, I can't rate such dominance as highly as it probably does warrant.andyp wrote:morstar wrote:Regarding multiple discipline success, seriously, who else in recent history has won such a broad range of events?
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The weight is going to make very little difference in a typical TT and a little fat will give him a far greater resistance to illness.0
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I m just playing devils advocate, and was genuinely surprised to hear Wiggo's staetement with regard to future GT's.
2012 Was a hell of a year and I m sure Brailsford, Sutton and Wiggins looked at the programme and knew it was quite literally a Golden opportunity . (Probably accounts for why Froome wasn't given more freedom in the 2012 TDF) .
Would be a bit of a shame though if Wiggo became the Ricky Hatton of Pro Cycling. I think the range of disciplines and events he has won at is outstanding, but I would still have more respect if he added to his road palmares through Grand Tour or Spring Classic victories, than anything he's achieved in the Velodrome.
Although the Hour record would be cool.
As for great multi discipline riders, you can say what you like about the lack of competition in Womens Cycling, but it still takes:
Alexander Vinokourov (Olympic Road)
Philip Gilbert (World Road)
Vincenzo Nibali (Giro)
Neils Albert (World Cyclocross)
To Make one Marianne Vos or does that just prove the point that womens racing in weaker.0 -
Cadel is the one that jumps out for me as the broadest range of success. I do agree with the British thing. I'm not nationalistic and have watched pro cycling for many years with no British interest but I do find I follow British riders quite closely.TailWindHome wrote:morstar wrote:TailWindHome wrote:morstar wrote:why he is establishing palmares like no other in the current era.
He's a good rider. But let's not be silly.
He has never won a one day race of any significance.
He has never won a road stage of a GT.
Maybe a poor choice of words as I mean if he does win a one day classic. Road stage of a GT, meh, that absence is directly linked to his one limitation. If you're going to pick arbitrary elements of racing then you can stipulate bunch sprints and all sorts. I'd suggest that all sports are becoming more and more specialised and yet he has won many types of event, beating many specialists in the process.
Regarding multiple discipline success, seriously, who else in recent history has won such a broad range of events?
Well to be fair to the lad....he has won a sprint!
My point is that people (dare I say it British people) get carried away with how great he is.
Cadel Evans?
As for the intangible greatness; Froome will almost certainly achieve more greatness on the road with most likely multiple GT's + other results. However, that outcome was never going to be the case with Wiggins and yet he keeps re-directing his attention and bar the Giro, succeeding. If he can do this again with a classic and maybe something like the hour before returning to the track, it will be a pretty phenomenal story of success.0 -
Is that all? I'm 2:02m and 111kgs, a born winner! I'll call Dave right away!Richmond Racer wrote:Wiggins is 1.90m, and is around 76kg now
Martin is 1.86m and around 75kg
The ******* lard-asses. Call Fat Fighters.
'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:ozzzyosborn206 wrote:I think possibly some of the weight he has gained could be extra muscle and therefore make him faster in a TT. But i think the truth is he was fed up of living like a monk, we all know he likes a drink and probably his food to, he is just living a more normal life. But if he said that it wouldn't look good on him or sky so he has been asked the question why he has put on weight and has rolled off a load of rubbish that sounds good for a p-r perspective. As for the Worlds TT, I think we will see Phinney in the mix again
Needs the muscle for the classics. As the quote came from him it's likely pretty accurate, It's when Brailsford speaks that the bullShit flows
There is no way he put on 7-8kg of muscle in such a short time... unless he uses Berties Butcher.... I know he didnt say he put on 7-8kg in muscle. Its probably more like 1kg of muscle, 3kg of water and 3kg of fat**************************************************
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morstar wrote:
Cadel is the one that jumps out for me as the broadest range of success. I do agree with the British thing. I'm not nationalistic and have watched pro cycling for many years with no British interest but I do find I follow British riders quite closely.TailWindHome wrote:morstar wrote:TailWindHome wrote:morstar wrote:why he is establishing palmares like no other in the current era.
He's a good rider. But let's not be silly.
He has never won a one day race of any significance.
He has never won a road stage of a GT.
Maybe a poor choice of words as I mean if he does win a one day classic. Road stage of a GT, meh, that absence is directly linked to his one limitation. If you're going to pick arbitrary elements of racing then you can stipulate bunch sprints and all sorts. I'd suggest that all sports are becoming more and more specialised and yet he has won many types of event, beating many specialists in the process.
Regarding multiple discipline success, seriously, who else in recent history has won such a broad range of events?
Well to be fair to the lad....he has won a sprint!
My point is that people (dare I say it British people) get carried away with how great he is.
Cadel Evans?
As for the intangible greatness; Froome will almost certainly achieve more greatness on the road with most likely multiple GT's + other results. However, that outcome was never going to be the case with Wiggins and yet he keeps re-directing his attention and bar the Giro, succeeding. If he can do this again with a classic and maybe something like the hour before returning to the track, it will be a pretty phenomenal story of success.
Froome probably will win more GTs........... but he will always be the second Brit to win the Tour. Like the second man to break the 4 min barrier for the mile, or the second sucessfull ascent of Everest. Without looking it up who remembers them?
Just a tester? Yea, that would be right. Only won the Tour cos the route suited him? He was with the climbers on every final ascent, and destroyed them in the TTs. What more do you want, it was up to the specialist climbers to make the most of there gift, but he stayed with them. No one wins an "easy" TDF. There is no such thing.
If the Tour was all huge climbs and a specialist climber won it would the same people say "Ah well it was only cos the route suited him"? Didnt think so.0 -
Without looking, who was the first Spaniard to win the Tour de France? The first Belgian? The first Italian?mike6 wrote:Froome probably will win more GTs........... but he will always be the second Brit to win the Tour. Like the second man to break the 4 min barrier for the mile, or the second sucessfull ascent of Everest. Without looking it up who remembers them?0 -
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Without looking, who was the first Spaniard to win the Tour de France? The first Belgian? The first Italian?mike6 wrote:Froome probably will win more GTs........... but he will always be the second Brit to win the Tour. Like the second man to break the 4 min barrier for the mile, or the second sucessfull ascent of Everest. Without looking it up who remembers them?
Bottechia is the Italian. For sure.
I'll guess Thys for Belgium.
It's a little different though FJS. Germans will always remember Ulrich because he brought the sport to them. Germans had always been in the Tour...0 -
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RichN95 wrote:Well, Jacques Anquetil and Miguel Indurain won two of them.
Given that Indurain was probably on EPO, then Chris Boardman in 1995.BASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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FJS wrote:
Without looking, who was the first Spaniard to win the Tour de France? The first Belgian? The first Italian?mike6 wrote:Froome probably will win more GTs........... but he will always be the second Brit to win the Tour. Like the second man to break the 4 min barrier for the mile, or the second sucessfull ascent of Everest. Without looking it up who remembers them?
Dont care, I am not Spanish, or Belgian, or Italian, and the main old school cycling nations are supposed to win the GTs. Brits are supposed to be plucky losers.
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I'm sure the Spanish/ Belgian etc cycling fans know the answers.Insta: ATEnduranceCoaching
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Am I missing something, isn't it the last rider who won any particular race that counts?0
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greasedscotsman wrote:Am I missing something, isn't it the last rider who won any particular race that counts?Eddy Merckx wrote:Wha?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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mike6 wrote:Dont care, I am not Spanish, or Belgian, or Italian, and the main old school cycling nations are supposed to win the GTs. Brits are supposed to be plucky losers.
Not so sure. For Belgium actually pretty sure that most wouldn't know Odile Defraye was their first winner (Thys was 2nd - not bad for the rest RickNapoleonD wrote:I'm sure the Spanish/ Belgian etc cycling fans know the answers.
) or have even heard of him. Same with Bottecchia - he's not one of the big historical campionissimi everyone knows. Bahamontes many Spanish will know, but my point was more that very few would say that either was their country's best Tour de France, or in general road cyclist (Merckx, Coppi, Indurain). At the moment being the first winner is incredibly significant for the UK, like it was for Germany with Ullrich. But surely if a British rider wins 3 or 5 TdFs somewhere in the future, that would beat that, right? 0 -
FJS wrote:mike6 wrote:Dont care, I am not Spanish, or Belgian, or Italian, and the main old school cycling nations are supposed to win the GTs. Brits are supposed to be plucky losers.
Not so sure. For Belgium actually pretty sure that most wouldn't know Odile Defraye was their first winner (Thys was 2nd - not bad for the rest RickNapoleonD wrote:I'm sure the Spanish/ Belgian etc cycling fans know the answers. ) or have even heard of him. Same with Bottecchia - he's not one of the big historical campionissimi everyone knows. Bahamontes many Spanish will know, but my point was more that very few would say that either was their country's best Tour de France, or in general road cyclist (Merckx, Coppi, Indurain). At the moment being the first winner is incredibly significant for the UK, like it was for Germany with Ullrich. But surely if a British rider wins 3 or 5 TdFs somewhere in the future, that would beat that, right?
Quite agree regarding multiple wins, for cycling fans at least, but no one can take away Wiggins mantle of first Brit to win the Tour. Its like first man in space, there have been lots since, and some more than once but for the casual observer, first is first.
Brad, being the personality he is, will be driven by other cycling goals after winning the Tour. Worlds TT, Belgian classic, who knows, but it will have to be something new, to him.0 -
So he can crush everyone in TTs when is ridiculously skinny so I assume him putting on this extra weight means he will be able to absolutely annihilate them?Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:So he can crush everyone in TTs when is ridiculously skinny so I assume him putting on this extra weight means he will be able to absolutely annihilate them?
Why assume that?
This 'extra weight' business is nonsense. It just sounds better than "won't be a contender in a GC again so really don't want to starve myself anymore"“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The weight thing really shows just how skinny some of these guys are. So Wiggo has gone from GC winning 69kg to a portly 76kg for the TT (or simply so he can eat more pie). Still miles short of his weight at the height of his track powers - he was 82kg in Beijing.
You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
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Sat polishing the regalia that weighed him down as a knight of the realm, legs draped over the box of Olympic medals left on the floor, once again staring at the yellow jerseys hanging on the wall, consumed from the inside by the niggling question, "where did it all go wrong?".0
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oneof1982 wrote:Sat polishing the regalia that weighed him down as a knight of the realm, legs draped over the box of Olympic medals left on the floor, once again staring at the yellow jerseys hanging on the wall, consumed from the inside by the niggling question, "where did it all go wrong?".
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oneof1982 has hit the nail on the head...even sir Chris Hoy posted a tweet of himself sitting on a big chair impersonating Brad, even if in jest that's a big statement :-)
I reckon he'll have a right good crack at the classics - I think that LBL possibly Lombardy may be a better bet than flanders or P-R or and then back onto the track, if the UCI reinstate the individual pursuit or another longer race then the olympics could be a great place to be"I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
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Does Mrs Wiggins know Brad has you lot as his 'fluffers' ...0
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The Madison is coming back apparently so could we see Wiggo and Cav reunited on the track?edhornby wrote:if the UCI reinstate the individual pursuit or another longer race then the olympics could be a great place to be
Can't see Cav losing best part of two road seasons for the track though - he likes those GT stage wins too much!You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
Daz555 wrote:
The Madison is coming back apparently so could we see Wiggo and Cav reunited on the track?edhornby wrote:if the UCI reinstate the individual pursuit or another longer race then the olympics could be a great place to be
Can't see Cav losing best part of two road seasons for the track though - he likes those GT stage wins too much!
Right yer, Cav giving up the chance of personal glory to support Wiggins efforts for Olympic Gold,
Umhhh, I think maybe not (Again/Ever)
Oneof1982's Post reminds me of the George Best Story.
End of his Career, sat in the Presidential Suite in the Dorchester, £50 Gee he's just won in the Casino, layed on the bed with Angie Best (Miss World) on top . Orders a bottle of the houses most expensive champagne.
Night Porter arrives with said bottle (he's a Fulham fan) takes one look at the scene and says "George where did it all go wrong?"0
