1x11... the future?

Chunkers1980

By my reckoning, 4 times 450 is 1800.

What's a reasonable problem to you?

njee20

I find my chains reach 0.75% after 2-3 months, this doesn't seem unreasonable to me frankly.

paul.skibum

I have no idea what 0.75% on a chain means (I am assuming its some chain stretch thing) but to be honest I ride my chain until I either feel like changing it or the gears start skipping - never measured a chain or worried excessively about it.

1x11 makes some sense - I'd put it on my hardtail as I can pretty much climb in the middle ring on that most climbs with a bit of stomping so 1x11 would only improve that - I only run 3x9 at present on it though. I'm like retro or something.

lawman

paul.skibum wrote:

I have no idea what 0.75% on a chain means (I am assuming its some chain stretch thing) but to be honest I ride my chain until I either feel like changing it or the gears start skipping - never measured a chain or worried excessively about it.

This. Never let me down in the past and the supposedly weaker 10 speed chain has out-lasted and touch wood has been stronger it would seem than previous 9 speed chains. So in my experience atleast I see there being potentially few problems when 1x11 style drivetrains become more common place.

supersonic

If I was riding on a £330 cassette and a £110 chainring, I'd be checking it and replacing long before skipping would start!

Chunkers1980

When you say 1x11 style drive trains - what do you actually mean?

Smaller than 11t cogs and upwards of 40t rears? Are you fixated on x11 or would 12 be acceptable?

supersonic

11 rear cogs, 1 front chainring. At the minute, just the SRAM system with the 10-42 cassette.

paul.skibum

Chunkers1980 wrote:

When you say 1x11 style drive trains - what do you actually mean?

Smaller than 11t cogs and upwards of 40t rears? Are you fixated on x11 or would 12 be acceptable?

Eh? We are talking about 1 front ring and 11 rings at the rear - the new 11 ring cassettes have 10t smallest and 42t largest cogs. I dont know what you are thinking about! Or what Sonic said and beat me to posting.

supersonic wrote:

If I was riding on a £330 cassette and a £110 chainring, I'd be checking it and replacing long before skipping would start!

Quite possibly if I was spending that sort of money I would pay more attention - Deore all the way for me currently!

Chunkers1980

Was actually talking to lawman

YeehaaMcgee

lawman wrote:

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

You've never had any worn chain problems?
Do you ride those two bikes?

Not unreasonable problems, my chains do close to a years riding and 1000 miles before I change them, in fact I got a good 18 months out of the last KMC chain I had and the cassette lasted just as long.

Hmm, I get much more than that out of mine, but then I do ride them into oblivion, and replace the chainrings, cassette and chain all at the same time - so not really a like-for-like comparison I guess.
I think the last set (just replaced) on the MTB did about 2K miles, give or take.

paul.skibum

Chunkers1980 wrote:

Was actually talking to lawman

Maybe you should say so in your post but in any case your post made no sense.

Chunkers1980

Would've been fine if ss had not stuck a post in the middle.

YeehaaMcgee

Chunkers1980 wrote:

Would've been fine if ss had not stuck a post in the middle.

That's why there's a quote feature, so you can show what you're responding to.

Chunkers1980

It would have been sequential, but then another post came in the middle when i submitted and by that point I really cba'd.

bennett_346

When you say you cba'd - what do you actually mean?

Are you fixated on cba'd or would couldn't be arsed be acceptable?

lawman

Chunkers1980 wrote:

When you say 1x11 style drive trains - what do you actually mean?

Smaller than 11t cogs and upwards of 40t rears? Are you fixated on x11 or would 12 be acceptable?

Well considering my original post was referring to X01 and XX1, I'd have thought it was fucking obvious do actually contribute anything remotely useful, insightful or smart to this forum or do you just insist on being a complete bellend?

paul.skibum

I don't see how Chunkers comments related to Lawman's. Clearly Lawman is saying 10 speed chains have proven as durable or more than 9 so why wouldn't we assume 11 could do as well. If chunkers is saying "where does the madness end" in a sort of daily mail style hands in the air rant and suggesting do we assume the same for 12 speed or 13 speed then its an odd argument - if he is saying something about gearing ranges then thats just b0ll0cks.

bennett_346

lawman wrote:

Chunkers1980 wrote:

When you say 1x11 style drive trains - what do you actually mean?

Smaller than 11t cogs and upwards of 40t rears? Are you fixated on x11 or would 12 be acceptable?

Well considering my original post was referring to X01 and XX1, I'd have thought it was ******* obvious do actually contribute anything remotely useful, insightful or smart to this forum or do you just insist on being a complete bellend?

I've never seen him contribute anything useful.

YeehaaMcgee

lawman wrote:

do actually contribute anything remotely useful, insightful or smart to this forum or do you just insist on being a complete bellend?

To be fair, that could apply to about 90% of us forum users

lawman

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

lawman wrote:

do actually contribute anything remotely useful, insightful or smart to this forum or do you just insist on being a complete bellend?

To be fair, that could apply to about 90% of us forum users

True, but he seems to contribute even less than the rest of us

Chunkers1980

You're just peeved because you like to spout unfounded garbage most of the time based on your own narrow experiences and get pulled up on it.

YeehaaMcgee

Nah, you've got him wrong. Lawman is kind of like an anti-luddite. He hates anything that's more than 6 months old.
Just don't tell operation yewtree that in case they misunderstand!

supersonic

Anyone tried singlespeed?

YeehaaMcgee

supersonic wrote:

Anyone tried singlespeed?

yep, in between every gear change. It's the way of the future.

rockmonkeysc

supersonic wrote:

Anyone tried singlespeed?

Singlespeed and rigid with 26" wheels, non hydraulic brakes and no dropper post. Its the way forward

The Rookie

Only with cottered cranks (working loose every week!)

YeehaaMcgee

Ha, I'd forgotten about that. My first MTB was a revelation due to it's "cotterless cranks"!

cooldad

Cottered cramks - luxury. We had to carve our own out of rocks.

stubs

cooldad wrote:

Cottered cramks - luxury. We had to carve our own out of rocks.

Thats nothing we had to invent the wheel first