Yates biography

iainf72

Anyone know who's ghosting it?

As I pointed out on Twitter a few days ago, it's got to have the worst title in the world. Ever.

andyp

Kimmage needs paid work doesn't he?

iainf72

Actual LOL

Richmond Racer

iainf72 wrote:

Anyone know who's ghosting it?

As I pointed out on Twitter a few days ago, it's got to have the worst title in the world. Ever.

I think it might be Fotheringham, W

Those looking of revelations of a pharmaceutical nature will be sadly disappointed...on the other hand, I wouldnt be surprised if Surdave gets a shoeing

iainf72

Perhaps the title is to warn us that it's a joke or something?

Richmond Racer

Yates likes his little joke

ddraver

whats the title?

inkyfingers

"It's all about the bike"

LeicesterLad

An Autobiography by a cheat that doesn't admit to cheating is pretty low grade these days.

RichN95.

Surely "If I did it" by OJ Simpson is the worst title in history

t4tomo

He probably wasn't in the armstrong league of pharmaceuticals but David Walsh wasn't convinced he was clean so I think any doubt has some substance. Mind he was in that era when most of peloton was at it with various "vitamins" but pre EPO when it all went a bit mad.

morstar

He was a huge favourite of mine back in the day. With hindsight I'd be very surprised if he didn't dope but you do have to take that in context. I'm not one for making excuses but I'm not really sure a top domestique of that era should come clean and damage their own reputation unless it is part of a major truth and reconciliation process where all the star riders of the
era are also coming clean.
If he wanted to come clean for his own reasons, all power to him, but don't vilify the man for have moderate success in a corrupt sport.

thomthom

inkyfingers wrote:

"It's all about the bike"

Put 'motor' in there in front of 'bike' and we'd have an interesting title..

Tom Butcher

LeicesterLad wrote:

An Autobiography by a cheat that doesn't admit to cheating is pretty low grade these days.

Not really fair. How many riders from that era have confessed without some kind of coercion.

Shall we all post up a list of all of our misdemeanors over the years ? You first.

knedlicky

LeicesterLad wrote:

An Autobiography by a cheat that doesn't admit to cheating is pretty low grade these days.

I don’t know what Yates (or Fotheringham) has written, but don’t forget that hypocrisy is a strong british characteristic.

rick_chasey

Is it cheating, really?

It may be technically...

Anyway. To someone who was born in '88 he seems unbelievably boring.

The kind of person who people have a lot of stories about, but who doesn't have many stories to tell himself.

RichN95.

With regard to the cheating aspect, you have to realise that doping was taken very lightly back then. In 1988 Gert Jan Theunisse tested positive for testosterone in the Tour and only got a ten minute penalty. He wasn't even kicked of the race. Doping in the 80s was considered cheating in a similar degree that diving is in football

iainf72

To answer my own question, it's John Deering ghosting it

No_Ta_Doctor

To be fair, I don't think it's the question of whether he dabbled in the "vitamins" of the pre epo era as a rider that's troublesome , but working as a manager for Discovery and Astana causes a slight elevation of the eyebrows.

LeicesterLad

No tA Doctor wrote:

To be fair, I don't think it's the question of whether he dabbled in the "vitamins" of the pre epo era as a rider that's troublesome , but working as a manager for Discovery and Astana causes a slight elevation of the eyebrows.

This, forget the silly pill popping and 'vitamins' - he was an Armstrong domestique and DS and he wasn't pre-EPO at this time.

The way he wiggled out of Sky's backdoor when the whole 'sign or resign' thing came about and doing the whole 'suddenly want to spend time with my family after expressing no desire to do so beforehand, oh and who's Lance Armstrong?' was a disgrace in my eyes.

inkyfingers

If he wasn't English would we even be talking about this? Most of the DS's and management in pro cycling have a similar back story to Yates and few of them have been honest about it either, then again I suppose maybe they haven't decided to write a "tell nothing" book (assuming it won't lift the lid of the last 20 years of doping in the pro peloton).

Richmond Racer

Out of interest, I wonder whether the Wegelius book says anything about doping in the teams he was on - I bet good money the answer's no

inkyfingers

Richmond Racer wrote:

Out of interest, I wonder whether the Wegelius book says anything about doping in the teams he was on - I bet good money the answer's no

I'm hoping that book is as good as some people are saying it is.

ddraver

LeicesterLad wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

To be fair, I don't think it's the question of whether he dabbled in the "vitamins" of the pre epo era as a rider that's troublesome , but working as a manager for Discovery and Astana causes a slight elevation of the eyebrows.

This, forget the silly pill popping and 'vitamins' - he was an Armstrong domestique and DS and he wasn't pre-EPO at this time.

The way he wiggled out of Sky's backdoor when the whole 'sign or resign' thing came about and doing the whole 'suddenly want to spend time with my family after expressing no desire to do so beforehand, oh and who's Lance Armstrong?' was a disgrace in my eyes.

You ve never mentioned it before LL :P

timoid.

inkyfingers wrote:

If he wasn't English would we even be talking about this? Most of the DS's and management in pro cycling have a similar back story to Yates and few of them have been honest about it either, then again I suppose maybe they haven't decided to write a "tell nothing" book (assuming it won't lift the lid of the last 20 years of doping in the pro peloton).

But not all ex DS's introduced the sports most famous cheater to motoman.

If this book is anything like how he interviews, it's bound to be incoherent.

Richmond Racer

Timoid. wrote:

inkyfingers wrote:

If he wasn't English would we even be talking about this? Most of the DS's and management in pro cycling have a similar back story to Yates and few of them have been honest about it either, then again I suppose maybe they haven't decided to write a "tell nothing" book (assuming it won't lift the lid of the last 20 years of doping in the pro peloton).

But not all ex DS's introduced the sports most famous cheater to motoman.

If this book is anything like how he interviews, it's bound to be incoherent.

It can never be released on audio, thats for sure

LeicesterLad

ddraver wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

To be fair, I don't think it's the question of whether he dabbled in the "vitamins" of the pre epo era as a rider that's troublesome , but working as a manager for Discovery and Astana causes a slight elevation of the eyebrows.

This, forget the silly pill popping and 'vitamins' - he was an Armstrong domestique and DS and he wasn't pre-EPO at this time.

The way he wiggled out of Sky's backdoor when the whole 'sign or resign' thing came about and doing the whole 'suddenly want to spend time with my family after expressing no desire to do so beforehand, oh and who's Lance Armstrong?' was a disgrace in my eyes.

You ve never mentioned it before LL :P

:oops:

Richmond Racer

Think nice thoughts, LL, like how Quintana's going to rock the Tour, and how Bardet's going to win a stage

LeicesterLad

Richmond Racer wrote:

Think nice thoughts, LL, like how Quintana's going to rock the Tour, and how Bardet's going to win a stage

They are very nice thoughts.

iainf72

This doesn't sound embarrassing at all

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/s ... sean-yates

rick_chasey

Not the smartest guy in the room.