My bike after a bike fit!

Proff
Proff Posts: 41
edited April 2014 in Road general
This just doesn't look right. What do you think?
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  • NeXXus
    NeXXus Posts: 854
    I'd take from that you need a seatpost with less layback
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  • smidsy
    smidsy Posts: 5,273
    I'd take from that you need a bike with a shorter top tube length.

    Or use another bike fitter.
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  • mikebikemike
    mikebikemike Posts: 166
    tsk. I wouldn't worry about the one where he's suggested shifting the saddle along, I'd worry about the one he's turned upside down.
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    mikebikemike wrote:
    tsk. I wouldn't worry about the one where he's suggested shifting the saddle along, I'd worry about the one he's turned upside down.


    haha :) took me a little while tosee what you meant!!
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  • Strith
    Strith Posts: 541
    What was the fit set up for? Not that unusual for a TT setup on a road bike.
  • MattC59
    MattC59 Posts: 5,408
    Do you have a pic of the whole bike ? Was anything done to the front end ?
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  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    What the actual FECK?
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  • Bozman
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  • adamski_8
    adamski_8 Posts: 35
    Is the seat post back to front? either way that's a fail! Who did the bike fitting?
  • Raffles
    Raffles Posts: 1,137
    NapoleonD wrote:
    What the actual FECK?

    ^ this,
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  • Crimmey
    Crimmey Posts: 207
    Looks similar to how mine is set up on my road bike :) You gotta tell us who fit you though.
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  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    That's... extreme. Is the tip of the saddle actually in front of the BB...??

    If that's actually right for you, and you want a setup that doesn't require the seatpost to be reversed, you will need a frame with a steeper seat tube angle. If the angle on your current frame is 73, you might be able to get away with an inline post on a frame with a 74.5 seat tube angle.

    Have to ask though - do you have really weird physiology, like shins that are twice as long as your thighs or something?
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    Let me get this right, that setpost is back to front right?

    I had to do a double take.
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  • mrbrightside
    mrbrightside Posts: 214
    Please tell the bike fit stopped as that point. I trust you didn't pay, you owe it to other forum members to advise who conducted this bike bit (at least give an indication of area).
  • Toe knee
    Toe knee Posts: 525
    Didn't realise Stevie wounder had taken to bike fitting ...... :):lol:
  • Wirral_paul
    Wirral_paul Posts: 2,476
    Oh dear - please name and shame the bike fitter so that everyone else can avoid them. Actually - i'd be sending that picture to the owner of the company (assuming he isnt the fitter) to ask what sort of bike fit means putting a seatpost on back to front.

    Thats a complete disgrace tbh. As said above - do you have 6 inch long thighs? You're likely going to end up with a lot of pain in the front of your knees if you're "normal" with such a forward position.
  • edten
    edten Posts: 228
    the bike could be totally the wrong size but I would expect the bike fitter to tell you this if it is. It does look like the saddle set back to BB is very small. Maybe the reach is too long for you or you've got very short femurs. It's pointless criticising the fitter from just a photo of half a bike
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    MrBrightside wrote:
    Please tell the bike fit stopped as that point. I trust you didn't pay, you owe it to other forum members to advise who conducted this bike bit (at least give an indication of area).

    Why? If the OP bought a bike that's too big then that is in fact the most cost effective way to "make it fit" as an inline post or shorter stem cost.

    I don't think we're getting the whole story here...

    @Paul- You're wrong. KOPS isn't a fool-proof or even valid fitting technique. Storck's, for example, are designed to be ridden with inline posts.
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  • Raffles
    Raffles Posts: 1,137
    agree with those calling for name and shame, any shop sending a customer out on a bike that looks like that just beggars belief
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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    The only reason I could see for this is the OP is riding with tri-bars, or is in the possession of very long legs and an incredibly short torso.
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Monty Dog wrote:
    The only reason I could see for this is the OP is riding with tri-bars, or is in the possession of very long legs and an incredibly short torso.

    You missed a few.
    1. OP bought a bike that is too big
    2. OP has poor lumbar flexibility
    3. OP is lacking in core strength and requires a more upright position

    Seriously, there are loads of reasons. Without knowing more about the OP then there's no definitive way to tell.
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  • Wirral_paul
    Wirral_paul Posts: 2,476
    Grill wrote:

    @Paul- You're wrong. KOPS isn't a fool-proof or even valid fitting technique. Storck's, for example, are designed to be ridden with inline posts.

    The key word being "designed". The OPs bike clearly isnt designed to be ridden with a seatpost on back to front with the saddle then rammed as far forward as possible on its rails. Having had knee pain from a saddle too far forward, and seen the exact same thing with two different riding budies - I dont see how you can say definitively that i'm "wrong". While we all ride in slightly different positions - that fitting is several cm/ inches rather than mm further forward than "normal".
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Steve Hogg says you're wrong too ;)
    http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/05/seat-set-back-for-road-bikes/

    Storck geometries aren't that different than any other road bike, it's just that Marcus has a different way of doing things.

    I ride with a zero setback post with the saddle quite far forward (I've had 2 fits). This is despite the fact that I'm 5'11" and ride a 54. I have no knee pain even on 250+ mile rides, consecutive centuries, or very hilly rides.

    Point is you can't decide whether or not the fit is correct without examining all the variables.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    My money is on the bike being too big :|
  • Wirral_paul
    Wirral_paul Posts: 2,476
    Grill wrote:
    Steve Hogg says you're wrong too ;)
    http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/05/seat-set-back-for-road-bikes/

    Whatever - if you think that slamming the saddle about 3 inches forward is right then fine - have it your way. I'm sure Steve Hogg would be happy to send a bike out in the OPs position with the saddle almost directly above the Bottom Bracket.

    Oh and PS - it might have escaped your attention but the OP isnt riding an inline seatpost - he's got a setback seatpost on back to front with the saddle slammed forward. There's a world of difference between what's right for an individual, and whats almost certain to be wrong as is the specific case with the OP's picture - which is what he asked
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    edited May 2013
    We have not even seen the front yet :shock:
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    I'm well aware his post is flipped- read my first post in this thread.

    My fit on my bike is correct. I used to ride a 56 (on pretty much everyones advice) but it took a proper fit to determine that due to the fact that the vertebrae in my lumbar are fused I'd need a smaller frame. As you say- fit is individual, so why crucify the fitter before getting the whole story?

    As I and many others have said the most likely culprit is a bike that's too big. The fitter was probably just doing what he could which entailed putting a band-aid on a broken arm.
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  • Bozman
    Bozman Posts: 2,518
    It's got to be a wind up, you'd be given the reason behind the seatpost/saddle position, probably told that the frame is too big for you and this is the only answer.
  • Neil_aky
    Neil_aky Posts: 211
    Looks like the bike is too big, as others have said.

    Nothing wrong with being inventive to get a bike comfortable but the problem here is that I guess this has been done to sort out a problem with reach but moving the seat this far forward will cause a problem with the crank position causing knee problems.

    What size stem do you have? Would it not be possible to fit a shorter stem? Has the stem been flipped to give more reach and a more upright position?

    All of these things you could try yourself and see how you feel...

    You can get stems quite cheaply to try and whilst loads of people will tell you that a good bike fit is worth the money, they are very expensive and I know when I am comfortable.
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    It's too simple to say that the frame is "too big". Saddle position shouldn't in any way be determined by trying to get the reach correct. If the OP really needs to be that far forward relative to the BB, then it's the seat tube angle on the frame that's wrong for him, and only that. Seat tube angles tend to be shallower on larger sized frames, but they vary a lot from one model to another, probably more than between the frame sizes in any given frame model.

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