Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead!

tailwindhome

So, in a predictable display of social 'medja' fxckwittery there is a campaign to get Judy Garland's classic from the Wizard of Oz to Number One in a jolly jape, poking the Tories in the eye in the week they bury their matriarch.

If it gets to number one (or even into the Top 20) should Radio One play it?

Will you be buying it?



As the bold DDD would say. Discuss.

ValeTudoGuy

Not me,
1. I don't particularly want to poke anyone in the eye.
2. The woman is dead, let her rest.
3. It's probably just a money making scam for some record company.
4. It won't make Mrs Thatcher turn in her grave because "The Woman is not for Turning!"

seanoconn

If it reaches number 1 it should be played. The people have spoken. I doubt it will get any airplay unless hits top spot.

79p on iTunes...... apparently

steve6690

Distasteful, and extremely offensive to her family who have just lost their mother.

bigmat

I say people should just leave it alone, but it cuts both ways. She was as divisive a figure as you'll find, if one side insists on a quasi-state funeral and the current attempts at canonisation, the other side are entitled to express their rather less favourable view. I just wish they could bury her, let those who want to grieve grieve, and leave the rest of us to it.

MrSweary

Says far more about the people buying it than it does about Maggie. Pathetic and sad really. And sadder than the rank stupidity of the twitter classes are some of the pronouncements by people who should know better and are meant to be role models. No class.

She's been out of politics for over 20 years, suffering dementia for several. Let her rest and have some respect for her family.

MisterMuncher

Oh Noes! People are expressing an opinion I may or may not agree with in a manner I may or may not approve of! How terrible.

Still though: Is expressing a vaguely popular but by no means universal opinion by way of a retooled or reinterpreted pop song in this case any different than buying "Candle In The Wind '97" was back then? Was it better, worse or the same when it was mass, rather than social media promoting the "buy this thing to express this sentiment" tune?

And still again: Why should death, infirmity or age serve as absolution in people's minds? Is this universal, or does it only apply selectively?

greg66_tri_v2.0

Idiot fcuktards who should be stripped of the right to vote.

And then dropped out of the back of an RAF Hercules over the mid Atlantic.

Ditto those who bought Candle In The Wind.

Ben6899

It's a sh1t song, so I won't be buying it. I'll continue listening to The Smiths.

CiB

TailWindHome wrote:

If it gets to number one (or even into the Top 20) should Radio One play it?

Should they then? Is R1 legally obliged to play any piece of tat just because enough numpties thought it somehow might be big & clever to buy it? "Yeah - fatch eh? I've downloaded a song from iTunes for 79p to show the establishment wot I fink..."

'kin idiots.

It won't trouble me - having had the joy & pleasure of a works trip out in a hire car this week with two junior members of staff who insisted that Radio 1 is the only thing they could listen to on the wireless, I've had my decade's fill of it thanks. What happened to Simon Bates and Mike Read? They used to be good. The current idiot on in the morning didn't seem to have much grasp of English As A First Language tbh. Play it R1 - safe to say that the people who might care enough to be bothered about it won't hear it anyway.

spasypaddy

its my inbred northerner friends who genuinely cracked open champagne at the moment they found out.

fucking idiots.

tailwindhome

CiB wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

If it gets to number one (or even into the Top 20) should Radio One play it?

Should they then? Is R1 legally obliged to play any piece of tat just because enough numpties thought it somehow might be big & clever to buy it? "Yeah - fatch eh? I've downloaded a song from iTunes for 79p to show the establishment wot I fink..."

'kin idiots.

I'm not sure they're legally obliged to play it. AFAIK they play the top 20 in full.

Should they censor the charts?

DonDaddyD

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

Candle In The Wind.

What was wrong with Candle In The Wind?

Stevo_666

Tasteless and immature.

bigmat

Its about as appropriate as a "state" funeral.

TheStone

I can't bring myself to care about any of it.

DonDaddyD

Not sure if the posts are aimed at me, but I'm not a Royalist or connected in anyway to the 'politics' of Diana's death, for me Candle in The Wind was just a song, so I'm surprised to hear that their were issues about it.

MisterMuncher

I didn't say there was owt wrong with it. I merely pointed out the parallel of a media type blaring "buy this song" in the event of a death. If it was ok for the press and telly to promote their song for how they reckon people should have felt in '97, it's ok for individuals to do so now as well.

Complaints of tone and taste are pretty well irrelevant as far as I can see.

walkingbootweather

I won't be buying any song to glory-in or ridicule Mrs T. I don't think anyone ought to ban the song though, and I don't think it is any worse than Sex Pistol's God Save the Queen, which if you recall was number 1 or number 2 (depending on whether or not you believe the conspiracy theorist) for the Silver Jubilee. A song much more deserving of chart success, and thoughtful reflection might have been Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding.

I quite liked the original Candle in the Wind, but thought the 'English Rose' version was a bit mawkish.

Ben6899

CiB wrote:

Should they then? Is R1 legally obliged to play any piece of tat just because enough numpties thought it somehow might be big & clever to buy it? "Yeah - fatch eh? I've downloaded a song from iTunes for 79p to show the establishment wot I fink..."

'kin idiots.

It won't trouble me - having had the joy & pleasure of a works trip out in a hire car this week with two junior members of staff who insisted that Radio 1 is the only thing they could listen to on the wireless, I've had my decade's fill of it thanks. What happened to Simon Bates and Mike Read? They used to be good. The current idiot on in the morning didn't seem to have much grasp of English As A First Language tbh. Play it R1 - safe to say that the people who might care enough to be bothered about it won't hear it anyway.

Good value as ever, CiB.

veronese68

walkingbootweather wrote:

I won't be buying any song to glory-in or ridicule Mrs T. I don't think anyone ought to ban the song though, and I don't think it is any worse than Sex Pistol's God Save the Queen, which if you recall was number 1 or number 2 (depending on whether or not you believe the conspiracy theorist) for the Silver Jubilee. A song much more deserving of chart success, and thoughtful reflection might have been Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding.

I quite liked the original Candle in the Wind, but thought the 'English Rose' version was a bit mawkish.

I think they wouldn't play God Save the Queen at the time. Shipbuilding is a great track and should be played anyway. Candle in the Wind I can do without, dpn't like much that Lady Elton of John does anyway and the whole Diana thing didn't add anythnig to it for me.

seanoconn

Currently number one in the download chart

rrsodl

We live in a democracy so if it's number one then it should be played.

cookeeemonster

The right wing controlled media are crucifying anyone who disagrees with their opinion that she was some kind of God.

So I don't care if this winds them up or not. And I'm not happy at this taxpayer funded state funeral (we're broke apparently...but not that broke).

A couple of interesting articles, including this one in the Torygraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984619/Margaret-Thatcher-This-is-a-state-funeral-and-thats-a-mistake.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/thatcher-westminsters-last-authentic-class-warrior.2013043781

Cleat Eastwood

CookeeeMonster wrote:

The right wing controlled media are crucifying anyone who disagrees with their opinion that she was some kind of God.

So I don't care if this winds them up or not. And I'm not happy at this taxpayer funded state funeral (we're broke apparently...but not that broke).

A couple of interesting articles, including this one in the Torygraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984619/Margaret-Thatcher-This-is-a-state-funeral-and-thats-a-mistake.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/thatcher-westminsters-last-authentic-class-warrior.2013043781

REally good articles - from the last one:

"Mrs Thatcher’s every victory was a defeat, as it happens. She altered Britain merely to end Britain. In demanding respect, she never dared hope for love. Her economic miracles left us where we are now: a second-rate power, with Third World debts, and a banking class stripping £14bn in self-awarded bonuses from the commonweal.

Thanks to Margaret Thatcher, no-one even thinks that a crime. In a grubby, disturbed, discontented country, her spirit prevails.

The dirt needs no tramping."

She wont be missed.

hubgearfan

Stuff like this is why I tend to dislike many leftwingers: it's not because they have a different opinion on many things to my own, its because of the type of people a lot of them are :x

Oh, and I can't see why the BBC cannot refuse airplay; what's good enough for Frankie Goes To Hollywood is good enough for this bad taste rubbish.

seanoconn

hubgearfan wrote:

Stuff like this is why I tend to dislike many leftwingers: it's not because they have a different opinion on many things to my own, its because of the type of people a lot of them are :x

Oh, and I can't see why the BBC cannot refuse airplay; what's good enough for Frankie Goes To Hollywood is good enough for this bad taste rubbish.

I'm sure many left wingers will be very sad to hear this. Please please don't write the lefties off too soon. You're a brilliant man, it would be such a tragic shame.

Stevo_666

Like I've said elsewhere, Maggie must have done a bl00dy good job because she manages to rile millions of lefties, even when she's dead

MisterMuncher

hubgearfan wrote:

Oh, and I can't see why the BBC cannot refuse airplay; what's good enough for Frankie Goes To Hollywood is good enough for this bad taste rubbish.

Seems a reasonable argument that times have moved on, we thankfully don't do that sort of thing any more. Media in general is more permissive of art that may have people clutching their pearls. When was the last time you saw a film edited for TV like they all were back in the 80's/90's, for example.

And anyway, if we start cutting songs from playlists because someone finds them offensive, aren't we steering perilously close to the perpetual right-wing bug bear of "Political Correctness", possibly gone mad?

bigmat

Stevo 666 wrote:

Like I've said elsewhere, Maggie must have done a bl00dy good job because she manages to rile millions of lefties, even when she's dead

A lot of the people she has "riled" probably had no strong political persuasion until she f***ed them / their community over. You might see that as having been for some greater good but can you not see why others might have a different perspective? You people with your tribal party politics are a bit pathetic, its like you're following football or something.

First.Aspect

I think a lot of you guys need to get out of the coseted south east in order to appreciate why there is so much venom directed to the woman. There are large parts of the country that will take another couple of generations to recover. Ravenscraig is still a wasteland. The mining communities in Midlothian are some of the most deprived in the UK, even though they live within sight of the millionaire's city of Edinburgh. The quinticential British divide.

I think Ken Clarke was quite telling on QT last night. He essentially conceded that they HAD to be as cruel as they were because the unions didn't talk. I think that's fairly balanced. i.e. It had to be done to some degree, both sides generally agree. It was cruel, both sides generally agree. Was it unecessarily cruel? You decide.

I grew up around that time. It was cruel. Extremely. I was subject to state school cuts and a close, severely handicapped family member family suffered severe neglect at the hands of the health service, due to cuts. Those policiwa were nothing to do with the "economic miracle" (mirrored in socialist France, incidentally). That is why people are being cruel now. I don't agree with the parties in Glasgow and so on, but my god I understand.