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  • Do blonde people have a history of being subjugated, attacked and killed for no reason than their hair colour?

    Ah, now I get it. So the suitability of a joke's subject matter is determined by whether said subject has been 'subjugated, attacked and killed' in the past. But of course, it's probably the context surrounding the subject matter which makes the joke 'funny' in the first place.

    *You should replace the word funny with 'outrageously disgusting' where appropriate.
  • MonkeypumpMonkeypump Posts: 1,528
    Absolutely well said, Mr Gump.

    However, the moral crusaders amongst us actively seek out these things. A thread labelled as potentially offensive is a fine opportunity for them to have a whine about something.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    Offence also depends on the recipient. I for example can't run at all or walk too far without discomfort due to an accident that broke both my legs & left me with a limp. I get called Forest Gump in work, is it offensive? Maybe bullying? No? I can take the joke.


    The fact that you don't mind and can 'take it' doesn't make it generally acceptable to call people names based on a disability and in most people eyes would constitute bullying.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    The fact that the thread title contains a warning is irrelevant.

    Racist jokes are wrong, intolerable and unacceptable whether on this forum or anywhere else.

    This is rather subjective isn't it? What about 'blonde' jokes then? e.g. 'How many blondes does it take...'. Are they also wrong, intolerable and unacceptable?

    The reason I ask whether that's a subjective view is because, if it is, then surely the presence of the thread title was sufficient to allow people to avoid the thread if they wished to?

    Are you asking me is it a subjective view that racist jokes are wrong?

    Seriously?

    Put it this way

    "Racism is wrong, intolerable and unacceptable"

    Now ask me is that a subjective view and see does your question make sense.
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  • The fact that the thread title contains a warning is irrelevant.

    Racist jokes are wrong, intolerable and unacceptable whether on this forum or anywhere else.

    This is rather subjective isn't it? What about 'blonde' jokes then? e.g. 'How many blondes does it take...'. Are they also wrong, intolerable and unacceptable?

    The reason I ask whether that's a subjective view is because, if it is, then surely the presence of the thread title was sufficient to allow people to avoid the thread if they wished to?

    Are you asking me is it a subjective view that racist jokes are wrong?

    Seriously?

    Put it this way

    "Racism is wrong, intolerable and unacceptable"

    Now ask me is that a subjective view and see does your question make sense.

    Yes, seriously. The fact that people are willing to post 'racist' jokes indicates that people have differing views on the subject. Hence it's subjective. You find it unacceptable, others do not. You'll have to deal with it I'm afraid.

    And again, your second statement where you've left off reference to the forum. I'm afraid that's still subjective. Since it's your view.

    I stand by my question.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    The fact that the thread title contains a warning is irrelevant.

    Racist jokes are wrong, intolerable and unacceptable whether on this forum or anywhere else.

    This is rather subjective isn't it? What about 'blonde' jokes then? e.g. 'How many blondes does it take...'. Are they also wrong, intolerable and unacceptable?

    The reason I ask whether that's a subjective view is because, if it is, then surely the presence of the thread title was sufficient to allow people to avoid the thread if they wished to?

    Are you asking me is it a subjective view that racist jokes are wrong?

    Seriously?

    Put it this way

    "Racism is wrong, intolerable and unacceptable"

    Now ask me is that a subjective view and see does your question make sense.

    Yes, seriously. The fact that people are willing to post 'racist' jokes indicates that people have differing views on the subject. Hence it's subjective. You find it unacceptable, others do not. You'll have to deal with it I'm afraid.

    And again, your second statement where you've left off reference to the forum. I'm afraid that's still subjective. Since it's your view.

    I stand by my question.

    I'm not sure you entirely understand the word 'subjective', but I'll play along.

    No

    It's not a subjective opinion that racism is wrong.

    We know this to be true as there are laws to prevent it and to punish racist behaviour.
    You'll have to deal with it I'm afraid.

    No. You'll have to deal with it. We know this to be true as the moderators have deleted the thread.
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  • The fact that the thread title contains a warning is irrelevant.

    Racist jokes are wrong, intolerable and unacceptable whether on this forum or anywhere else.

    This is rather subjective isn't it? What about 'blonde' jokes then? e.g. 'How many blondes does it take...'. Are they also wrong, intolerable and unacceptable?

    The reason I ask whether that's a subjective view is because, if it is, then surely the presence of the thread title was sufficient to allow people to avoid the thread if they wished to?

    Are you asking me is it a subjective view that racist jokes are wrong?

    Seriously?

    Put it this way

    "Racism is wrong, intolerable and unacceptable"

    Now ask me is that a subjective view and see does your question make sense.

    Yes, seriously. The fact that people are willing to post 'racist' jokes indicates that people have differing views on the subject. Hence it's subjective. You find it unacceptable, others do not. You'll have to deal with it I'm afraid.

    And again, your second statement where you've left off reference to the forum. I'm afraid that's still subjective. Since it's your view.

    I stand by my question.

    I'm not sure you entirely understand the word 'subjective', but I'll play along.

    No

    It's not a subjective opinion that racism is wrong.

    We know this to be true as there are laws to prevent it and to punish racist behaviour.
    You'll have to deal with it I'm afraid.

    No. You'll have to deal with it. We know this to be true as the moderators have deleted the thread.

    Hang on fella, you're changing the goalposts here. I said that your quote 'Racist jokes are wrong, intolerable and unacceptable whether on this forum or anywhere else' was subjective. And it must be since different people have different opinions on whether this statement is true or not (hence the jokes, thereby proving that some people DO think it's acceptable to post racist jokes). You keep changing your statement slightly.

    And even then, can you really say that 'It's not a subjective opinion that racism is wrong.'? What you're saying here is that this statement is in no way impacted by personal opinion. Surely you'd admit that there are some people who would disagree?

    I don't want to argue about this, but surely on the web we need to see the difference between what is clearly wrong, and what is a matter of personal opinion?
  • cleat's upset he can't post his rape remarks so he's making up stuff about me being racist. Or he really is hysterically paranoid and thinks that everyone on the internet who thinks he's a fool is the same person.

    We chatted about bikes, we mentioned this website, you had the same username, I didnt, you expressed your dislike certain european type - I dont see you as being racist, I you see you as hiding the fact that you are racist -

    Racism isnt cutting and pasting a joke from a website racism is branding the greeks as homosexual - thats some latent phobia you have there.

    Still - I believe this "It's too easy to condemn individuals for their choices when their are complex reasons behind them"

    Who said that....hey you said that - far be it from me to call you a middle class hypocrite...but you know..

    The bottom line is this, I believe, no one has the right to dictate to another what he/she shall or shall not believe or think regarding their religion, their politics, or even their interpretation of the life events of another. I'll leave you to your phobias.
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  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    ^^^
    Boom!

    :lol:
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 39,933
    Can we have a link to this other website/thread Cleat? This could be good fun :mrgreen:
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  • pinnopinno Posts: 38,394
    ...Polly Toynbee, grauniad waving, righteous indignationists simply wanting to ban free speech and moan about something...

    Oi!, I am a grauniad waver and I posted the original thread.

    I am sure there are French people who joke about 'Les Rost biff'. I'd love to hear them, I am sure that they would be quite funny or Islamists joking about fat pale faced decadent Westerners.

    Some muslim fundamentalists got pretty hairy about a cartoon published in Denmark. The cartoonist got the whole thing wrong as the character was wearing a turban and was a Sikh, not an islamist - their reaction should have been one of amusement on the failings of the cartoonist, instead, he was given death threats and the thing spiralled out of control because a few tw4ts were 'offended'.

    In the UK, the depth of unconscious and implied racism is phenominal. In Kenya, I learnt to differentiate between Pakistani Muslims, Sikhs and Christains as well as Indian cultural/religious differences. In the UK, all asians ar refered to as 'Pakis' and all blacks are black despite being from the Caribbean or Western Africa or elsewehere. Sit down and listen to a conversation about Hindus talking about Muslim Pakistani's - an eye opener.
    At school I was called a spear chucker, censored lips and asked silly questions like "Why aren't you black?...did I live in a mud hut?..." etc etc In fact I was and still am refered to as South African, such is the geographical stupidity of many, despite Nairobi being thousands of miles away from Joburg. All these things were offensive to me as a child but as an adult, I realised that this attitude was based on naievity, stereotyping and sheer stupidity.

    When we start actually linking a joke to an assumed opinion of the author, that link is fundamentally flawed because at the end of the day, actions speak louder than words.
    If you do not act on your words, they mean absolutely nothing. I question the characters of those who are easily offended, its as if they have a god given right to promote themselves to some higher moral status - that is a flaw worse than assumed intolerence.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    When we start actually linking a joke to an assumed opinion of the author, that link is fundamentally flawed because at the end of the day, actions speak louder than words.
    If you do not act on your words, they mean absolutely nothing. I question the characters of those who are easily offended, its as if they have a god given right to promote themselves to some higher moral status - that is a flaw worse than assumed intolerence.
    Sticks and stones may break...

    How would throwing bananas at black footballers fit into your analysis?
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  • wow--- some heated stuff on here, got to ask if mbc---got poked by an unrequested greek fella ?--hence his hang ups ?
  • pinnopinno Posts: 38,394
    Lots of relevant stuff

    How would throwing bananas at black footballers fit into your analysis?

    You haven't read a word have you ? Throwing bananas at black footballers is an action, it is more than just words. It is intollerable behaviour.
    If some one said that they were going to go out and throw bananas at some black footballers but did not do anything, the thought is racist but as there is no action to back up the statement, although you can question the persons verbal intent.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    Lots of confused pish

    How would throwing bananas at black footballers fit into your analysis?

    You haven't read a word have you ? Throwing bananas at black footballers is an action, it is more than just words. It is intollerable behaviour.
    If some one said that they were going to go out and throw bananas at some black footballers but did not do anything, the thought is racist but as there is no action to back up the statement, although you can question the persons verbal intent.


    Is racist chanting action or words?
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  • cleat's upset he can't post his rape remarks so he's making up stuff about me being racist. Or he really is hysterically paranoid and thinks that everyone on the internet who thinks he's a fool is the same person.

    We chatted about bikes, we mentioned this website, you had the same username, I didnt, you expressed your dislike certain european type - I dont see you as being racist, I you see you as hiding the fact that you are racist -

    Racism isnt cutting and pasting a joke from a website racism is branding the greeks as homosexual - thats some latent phobia you have there.

    Still - I believe this "It's too easy to condemn individuals for their choices when their are complex reasons behind them"

    Who said that....hey you said that - far be it from me to call you a middle class hypocrite...but you know..

    The bottom line is this, I believe, no one has the right to dictate to another what he/she shall or shall not believe or think regarding their religion, their politics, or even their interpretation of the life events of another. I'll leave you to your phobias.


    You are hysterically paranoid. You have never chatted with me on another forum cos I don't use this user name on any other forum.I've never posted anything racist here or anywhere else, you fruitcake.
  • team47bteam47b Posts: 6,424
    I, as a minority group diabetic, find the term 'fruitcake' deeply offensive, if you had ever had to suffer, or been related to another person, who has been deprived of a functioning pancreas you would not use that term :shock:
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  • It strikes me that the whole sorry episode is so very typical of t'Internet.....

    I've seen interchanges between people on here that are highly unlikely to ever take place in the real world. Frankly some of the cyber-combatants would get their heads kicked in if they behaved that way in person. The old adage about being terribly brave when you don't have to have the "trousers" to back up the "mouth"......

    An so my question is this - can we not conceive that whilst some people might post racist/sexist/homophobic/blonde-ist comments in the virtual world, that is unlikely to be their default position in the REAL world - since laws, social mores and the need to exist in a complex multi-layered society prevent them from doing so?

    It's a similar argument to the one about pornography, or violent video games - just because you play them doesn't make you a candidate to go out and rape women or shoot people. Mostly.

    Just sayin' like.....
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  • nevmannevman Posts: 1,611
    Being called a fruit is bad enough but combined with a cake,that's over-egging the pudding.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 47,250 Lives Here
    It strikes me that the whole sorry episode is so very typical of t'Internet.....

    I've seen interchanges between people on here that are highly unlikely to ever take place in the real world. Frankly some of the cyber-combatants would get their heads kicked in if they behaved that way in person. The old adage about being terribly brave when you don't have to have the "trousers" to back up the "mouth"......

    An so my question is this - can we not conceive that whilst some people might post racist/sexist/homophobic/blonde-ist comments in the virtual world, that is unlikely to be their default position in the REAL world - since laws, social mores and the need to exist in a complex multi-layered society prevent them from doing so?

    It's a similar argument to the one about pornography, or violent video games - just because you play them doesn't make you a candidate to go out and rape women or shoot people. Mostly.

    Just sayin' like.....

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  • iainmentiainment Posts: 992
    Why would anyone want to post stuff that they know would offend some people? Particularly about race, sexuality etc.

    Unless the are either trawling for a reaction or if they are racist, sexist etc.,
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  • iainment wrote:
    Unless the are either trawling for a reaction or if they are racist, sexist etc.,

    Or they're posting a joke under a thread which is clearly marked as non-pc?
  • iainmentiainment Posts: 992
    iainment wrote:
    Unless the are either trawling for a reaction or if they are racist, sexist etc.,

    Or they're posting a joke under a thread which is clearly marked as non-pc?

    or because they're trawling for a response or they're racist etc.....
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  • MattC59MattC59 Posts: 5,433
    iainment wrote:
    iainment wrote:
    Unless the are either trawling for a reaction or if they are racist, sexist etc.,

    Or they're posting a joke under a thread which is clearly marked as non-pc?

    or because they're trawling for a response or they're racist etc.....

    Well done, you seem to have grasped the concept of 'or'.
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  • pinnopinno Posts: 38,394
    Too philosophical for you stuff

    How would throwing bananas at black footballers fit into your analysis?

    You haven't read a word have you ? Throwing bananas at black footballers is an action, it is more than just words. It is intollerable behaviour.
    If some one said that they were going to go out and throw bananas at some black footballers but did not do anything, the thought is racist but as there is no action to back up the statement, although you can question the persons verbal intent.


    Is racist chanting action or words?

    Get off the "holier than thou, squeeky clean, square pants bandwagon" and stop splitting hairs.
    No-one on here suggested doing anything that you have mentioned.
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  • pinnopinno Posts: 38,394
    mybreakfastconsistedofdrivel:

    Cleat is a fruitcake alright - but he's our f*cking fruitcake. Okay?

    We scraped him off the rain swept cyber streets of decaying buses, diminishing processors, overheating case fans, 100 meg Ram chips and gave him a permanent home right here in the warm heart of the bicycle ethernet to spout whatever rubbish he wants to without anyone telling him he shouldn't and thats what BB is all about.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 14,569
    Too philosophical for you stuff

    How would throwing bananas at black footballers fit into your analysis?

    You haven't read a word have you ? Throwing bananas at black footballers is an action, it is more than just words. It is intollerable behaviour.
    If some one said that they were going to go out and throw bananas at some black footballers but did not do anything, the thought is racist but as there is no action to back up the statement, although you can question the persons verbal intent.


    Is racist chanting action or words?

    Get off the "holier than thou, squeeky clean, square pants bandwagon" and stop splitting hairs.
    No-one on here suggested doing anything that you have mentioned.

    No they didn't. But you and several others are arguing that racist jokes aren't a form of racism/ racism behaviour. You came up with the frankly ludicrous position that they're not because they're only words. A position which falls apart quite spectacularly when challenged.


    Unless you've anything intelligent to add, I'm out.



    Philosophical? LOL
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 47,250 Lives Here
    Do any of you use 4chan?
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  • iainmentiainment Posts: 992
    MattC59 wrote:
    iainment wrote:
    iainment wrote:
    Unless the are either trawling for a reaction or if they are racist, sexist etc.,

    Or they're posting a joke under a thread which is clearly marked as non-pc?

    or because they're trawling for a response or they're racist etc.....

    Well done, you seem to have grasped the concept of 'or'.

    Were you born with a patronising attitude, or did you teach yourself?
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